Who could be the next pope?

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  1. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    So, half the Bishops in the Church must be condemned because Pope Francis appointed them.....who knows.

    What about the other half of the Bishops in the Church. Why is it that half the Church is not doing better if those Bishops were not appointed by Pope Francis. Where were the Irish Bishops when Ireland stood in the square and joined the (original mob) people who shouted 'Crucify Him;' because that is how I see what happened in Ireland at the destruction of the 8th amendment. Those who voted yes shouted 'Crucify Him' all over again.

    Pope Frances could not have been the cause of the utter destruction of the Faith. It has been going on long before he became Pope. He is just the man at the helm; and his leadership skills are not what we are used to. On the other hand who ever bothered to listen to Paul VI, John Paul II or Pope Benedict XVI. All the Apostasy was well established before 2013. IMHO We can not with a clear conscience put the blame on Pope Francis for the past.

    Try looking at the situation from a spiritual dimension not from a man made dimension; things look very different then. IMHO

    Pope Francis needs God because no one else is there for him. Yes he is used and manipulated, and when he puts his foot in it we are subjected to a load of cods woolup as if his every word is Gospel. He is an old man who needs God more than any Pope in my lifetime. Please God take pity on this Pope, for the sake of Jesus. You O Lord are the only true friend he has.
     
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  2. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Pope Francis’ Intercommunion Reversal
    COMMENTARY:
    Three weeks after he instructed the German bishops to find a ‘possible unanimous’ solution on their own, the Holy Father told them to abandon their proposal instead.
    Father Raymond J. de Souza Jun. 8, 2018 http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/pope-francis-intercommunion-reversal

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  3. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Who said that half the Bishops of the world must be condemned because Pope Francis appointed them? I didn't. You said that he has nobody there for him except God and I pointed out that he has at least half the bishops of the world there for him unless he only promoted men who are not "there for him".

    What about the other half of the Bishops in the Church? I see no sign of them being against him, so that must mean that he has close on 100% of Bishops "there for him". I didn't hear Pope Francis giving any direction to either the Bishops or the faithful in Ireland. Anyway, doing so would have been the height of hypocrisy from a man who called the notorious abortionist Emma Bonino a "forgotten great".

    No, Pope Francis didn't cause the utter destruction of the faith. I don't know who bothered or didn't bother to listen to Popes John Paul or Benedict - other than the infamous St. Gallen group - and there's no shortage of clerics in Ireland who showed scant regard for either of them but praise Pope Francis to the rooftops. We all bear some responsibility for the apostasy - and it isn't confined to Ireland. The faith in Argentina, especially Buenos Aires, doesn't look too healthy.

    What makes you think that only those who see no wrong in Pope Francis look at things from a spiritual dimension?
     
  4. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    No, you are not reading my post from an objective angle. Certainly not taking into consideration that Jesus died on the Cross for Pope Francis the same as He died for you and me.

    Our sins and transgressions are what will save or condemn us if we do not repent. The same as Pope Francis and every soul who ever lived.
    That is all we should be concerned about. And constantly disrespecting anyone in authority is very dangerous ground to be on. Can we be so cruel to Pope Francis and then expect God to be Merciful to us when we transgress His Laws and Precepts.

    "I don't know who bothered or didn't bother to listen to Popes John Paul or Benedict - other than the infamous St. Gallen group"
    80% of Roman Catholics used birth control when the Popes forbid it for a start under the previous Popes. Odd coincidence since the Apostasy is about 80% now.

    You may not be able to love or bear Pope Francis. But we were created to Know, Love and Serve God; not to be Judge and Jury over His Representative here on earth. We do however have a duty of care to Keep Watch and Pray for our Holy Father, regardless of how we perceive him. That does not mean we have to change our traditional Faith and Beliefs handed down from the Holy Apostles. Anyway, I'm off....got to go to hospital again.
     
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  5. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Well, you must be reading something into my posts that isn't there because I would never say or hint at the possibility that there is any human being that Jesus didn't die on the cross for.

    I'm also well aware that unrepented sins at death can cause us eternal damnation. We - you, me, and every Catholic alive, especially Pope Francis has a duty to ourselves and others to ensure that the faith handed down to us is passed on intact. Our first duty is to Jesus and when the Pope repeatedly permits statements undermining the faith to go uncorrected, we have no obligation to defend those statements or to twist ourselves inside out trying to reconcile them with what has always been taught. You appear to be falling into the same error being touted by the false mercy brigade. Correction and criticism of a person's statements and actions are not a judgement on the state of their soul. And I pray for Pope Francis more than I have ever prayed for any Pope or priest in my life. I'm praying for him to get his act together and remember that he is the Vicar of Christ and not the Secretary General of the United Nations.

    Hope all goes well for you at the hospital.
     
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  6. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    All private prophesies are conditional, according to Birch. Which makes sense. We are not determinists or predestinationists, God will never stand in the way of someone who decides to repent. Every human being has the freedom to do this until the point of death.

    Of course, you are right in terms of probabilities.
     
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  7. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    I believe there is a chance that Francis will return to the true doctrine of the Church until the last moment of the pontificate, but perhaps this will happen through the pain of the great number of faithful priests who will be martyred when the Communist tribulation occurs, and of course our prayers , I think that all this could lead to the conversion of the Pope, and perhaps the great warning can awaken his conscience on all the evil that is being inflicted against the Church.
    However there is the possibility that he may carry this path of destruction to the end, decentralizing the doctrine, and inflicting damage on the unity of the Church
     
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  8. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    The same month for the proposed canonization of Pope Paul VI this year.
     
  9. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    I hope everything is OK Julia?
    I don't think it is the intent of anyone to disrespect the authority of Pope Francis or the man himself but the teachings which he has allowed to breath which many obviously take issue with. In fact, it is one of the things which concerns me (on a personal level the most) the way that the authority of the Pope and the Church is weakened in part due to these things. This has not started with Pope Francis however, it has been happening for decades.
    What I think it comes down to in the final analysis is trusting God, more specifically trusting Jesus who assured us that the Gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church. We know that the Truth is self evident. It does not need us to defend it although we each try and this is of course right and good. So, we each can offer our prayers for Pope Francis and our supplications to the Lord in whatever way we are each able. We all suffer in some way, let us each offer up these sufferings and trust in Our Lord.
     
  10. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    All Popes make mistakes. To think otherwise would be excessively ultramontanist. They are only human and St. Peter set the trend. I find it difficult to see how either St. Pope John Paul II or Pope Benedict, despite any mistakes they might have made, weakened the authority of the Papacy or the Church. On the contrary, they steadied the ship and righted its course in the teeth of wicked opposition. We ought not tar them with the brush that, unfortunately, applies to the present.

    Oh, for one of them on the Throne of Peter, now.
     
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  11. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    I would like to propose one great good that Holy Father Francis has done from where I stand. And I speak as a cradle Catholic who had the challenge in my late teens of defending Pope Paul VI against cruel blatant Protestants here in the UK. Yes, it has always been socially acceptable to bash the Pope.

    Under previous Popes, God bless them; they tried to address what must have began to be signs of homosexuality emerging in Holy Orders. I believe it was done discreetly; and their efforts proved to be in vain. I do believe it was the shock of getting a report by a Polish Priest appointed by Pope Benedict to investigate the problem and report to Benedict himself. I do believe the results so shocked this very holy Pope Benedict which became the straw that broke the camels back, and he felt it was hopeless. I don't believe Pope Benedict felt he had the strength and vitality to withstand the extent to which the Church had become infested. I think it would have killed him, and the Galleon crowd would have had their way in the end.

    So along comes the Holy Spirit, and puts a man in the job who would by his human weakness flush the blighters out. Don't forget God loves to work with us when we are weak. Dear Benedict would have died at the helm and evil would have prevailed over his dead body. This guy Pope Francis has known what it is to rough it, and keep going. God does not seem to find the gentlest of men to dig out the manure, He chooses a man who is prepared to get his hands dirty.

    And oh boy are we seeing to our utter shock and horror what a filthy perverted crowd of bullies are running the show. We are asked to keep watch and pray; because I for one want to be in God's army when the final battle is over. I give the credit for this to Holy Father Francis. Actually to God Who is ingeniously working through our beloved bungling Pontiff. IMHO

    There are so many good and holy Cardinals, Bishops and Priests who are suffering along with us who also love and cherish the Church Jesus Christ founded on Peter.

    We achieve nothing by doing the devils work and calling out our Holy Fathers sins and transgressions. Yes, the devils job is to accuse us and the Holy Father day and night before God. Do you really think God is impressed when we His humble servants join satan in that public square, by joining in we are MAGNIFYING satans perverted will. The internet is a public square.

    Senior Cardinals, Bishops, and Priests are standing up for our Traditional Faith. Our job is to keep the Faith along with them and Keep Watch and Pray.

    I do feel deeply sad sometimes when people I perceive to be Catholic and precious to me hit back because I can not find it in my reason and conscience to join the opinion held out from time to time about the Pope. An opinion that is hook line and sinker what I suffered from my late teens onward from Protestants, who had no regard for My Irish Catholic Faith not to mention my Holy Father. This makes me feel a great empathy for Pope Benedict who must have faced this type of 'debate' in his efforts to hold on to our Precious Faith, he most certainly would uphold to his dying day. Me2.

    Yes Don, thank you for asking. I had such an amazing experience over the last few days. I do not want to hurt my God in the slightest after what He has done for me. I surrender Pope Francis to Jesus. Take care of our Holy Father dear Jesus. His eternal destination is in Your most capable hands. And I do believe You will bring great good out of all this chaos around us. I trust You Jesus, I trust You Heavenly Father. I trust You Holy Spirit.

    Oh Most Holy Trinity, You have stolen my heart. And I always hoped You would, to tell You the Truth.

    Julia's take on the whole shebang.
     
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  12. ComeSoon!

    ComeSoon! Guest

    If anyone has the opportunity or ability to watch the documentary titled: Pope Francis: A Man of His Word, it is well worth the time. It was recently in theaters locally.
     
  13. AED

    AED Powers

    I love your prayer for the Pope. You say so much more eloquently than the prayer I cobbled together that tries to say the same thing. Lovely.
     
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  14. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I do so hope and pray you are right, Julia.
     
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  15. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Only the Direct Intervention of the Good God can save us.

    I was talking about this in prayer to a lady in prayer this morning who cheered me up , very,very much. So much so she had me laughing .

    Here she is here. She made me laugh because she was dancing as she told me.

    If you read her story you can see why she had a special interest in such goings on.

    Don't despair I truly believe her, things are going to turn out fine:


    http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2015/01/maria-teresa-carloni-modern-day-mystic.html
     
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  16. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Such a good person. I truly believe her things will be fine.

    But very'very unexpected. How wonderful to meet a saint from heaven laughing and dancing.

    [​IMG]
     
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  17. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Padre Pio shared the same Stigmata, and told us to 'pray, hope and don't worry'. I, for one, tend to worry too much, although I know I shouldn't.
     
  18. Julia

    Julia Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

    DeGaulle, when you look at life like you view a Tapestry, it begins to become clearer, things are not in the Eternal reality like they appear in this life.
    We live underneath the Tapestry, and things seem so tangled and confusing sometimes. When we are able to see the Tapestry from Heaven with the help and Grace of God, what a beautiful picture will become as clear as crystal.

    I didn't make this up, read it in some holy book somewhere and was changed forever about how we should view things, especially when they seem so impossible to understand.
    Why would you ever worry when you are privy to the most exquisite masterpiece taking shape above us. We can't see the wood for the trees, and one tree falls making such a loud bang, while a whole forest grows in complete silence. This is something to do with how our God works. We just need to stay close to Him and Keep Watch and Pray with Heavenly Mama.
     
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  19. AED

    AED Powers

    Me too. It is usually in a ratio to how much or how little time I'm spending in front of Our Lord in the tabernacle.
     
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  20. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    I already posted a link to the following article but I am posting the whole thing here now because I think that it is really worth our time to read this but if you are pressed for time you may want to read only what the author of the article has labeled as items 1-4 in the article. Imho the article reminds us of what has happened in regards to Amoris Laetitia and what needs to happen to help get things back on track in the Church. I am also posting a link to a follow-up article to this one at the bottom of this post. I think that this second article is also good because it reminds us of what we should be doing to help the Church get through this crisis,

    Don’t Panic! The Formal Correction is on the way!
    https://romalocutaest.com/2018/04/23/dont-panic-the-formal-correction-is-on-the-way/

    April 22, 2018 (Steven O’Reilly) – Having been distracted these past months by other matters, I have not had a moment to pen a new blog post until now. In that time, not much has appeared to have happened on the “formal correction” front. I sense, as a consequence, there is a degree of growing despair out there among concerned Catholics that the thought of a “formal correction” has been shelved. While I have no inside information on the question, I do not believe there is any reason to suggest this is the case. The process must necessarily be a slow and deliberate one – the correction, I believe, is on the way (The Wheels of the Formal Correction turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine). Don’t panic!

    My belief a correction has not been shelved is based on at least a couple considerations. First, the original “Dubia Cardinals” must have considered the various paths the crisis might take before they even drafted the Dubia. I consider it a certainty the Cardinals, even at the earliest moment of their collaboration, would have understood a “formal correction” to be among those possibilities, no matter how remote they hoped it to be. It seems improbable they would have started down the Dubia road unless they were willing to go the full distance. Furthermore, in November 2017, there were the comments Cardinal Burke gave in an interview to Edward Pentin. The interview may be found in the online National Catholic Register (see “Cardinal Burke Addresses the ‘Dubia’ One Year After Their Publication” published November 14, 2017). Pentin’s last question to Cardinal Burke in that interview was:

    “Despite you and many others, including more than 250 academics and priests who have signed a filial correction, clearly having very serious misgivings about the effects of these passages in Amoris Laetitia, and because you have so far received no response from the Holy Father, are you here making a final plea to him?”

    To which the Cardinal replied:

    Yes, for these grave reasons, one year after rendering public the dubia, I again turn to the Holy Father and to the whole Church, emphasizing how urgent it is that, in exercising the ministry he has received from the Lord, the Pope should confirm his brothers in the faith with a clear expression of the teaching regarding both Christian morality and the meaning of the Church’s sacramental practice.​

    Thus, as far back as November 2017, Cardinal Burke made his “final plea” to Pope Francis. “Final plea” before what? I think it can only mean one thing. A “final plea” before presenting a private warning to the Pope. While, prognostication is difficult with the speed at which things generally happen in Rome, I believe that at some point over the last five months that Pope Francis was given a private warning with regard to Amoris Laetitia and the Dubia.

    This now brings us up to Cardinal Burke’s talk in Rome from a couple weeks ago, entitled: “The limits of papal authority in the doctrine of the Church” (see Edward Pentin’s blog reporting here and the English translation of the Cardinal’s talk provided by LifeSiteNews here). I will not discuss the Cardinal’s talk in detail, other than to say that in my opinion, Cardinal Burke’s survey of the historical opinions of canonists on the limits of papal authority establishes the necessary premise for a public correction of Pope Francis.

    “The Church was a society to save souls. Heresy and sin impeded salvation. Any act of the pope in quantum homo which was heretical or sinful in itself or might foster heresy or sin threatened the foundations of society and was therefore void.[16]

    In other words, the notion of fullness of power was carefully qualified.

    It was understood that it did not permit the Roman Pontiff to do certain things. For example, he could not act against the Apostolic Faith. Also, for the sake of the good order of the Church, it was a power to be used sparingly and with the greatest prudence.” (see The plenitudo potestatis of the Roman Pontiff in service of the unity of the Church by Raymond Leo Cardinal Burke [April 7, 2018] as reported by LifeSiteNews)

    Here Cardinal Burke establishes that any act of the pope which is “heretical or sinful in itself or might foster heresy or sin” is void, as a pope cannot act “against the Apostolic Faith.” What happens to a pope should he act in such a manner? The Cardinal gives a brief mention of a 13th century canonist (Hostiensis) who said such a pope should be “warned” of his error and “publicly admonished”, but “he could not be put on trial if he persisted in his line of conduct.” Burke does not provide any further comment on this opinion, saying only:

    “Time has not permitted me to examine the question of the correction of the Pope who abuses the fullness of power inherent to the primacy of the See of Peter. As many will know, there is an abundant literature on the question.”​

    continued...
     

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