Bishop Schneider takes it even further and insists that we must provide burial for the aborted remains. He is very strongly against taking the vaccines.
I am glad you're not stressing, HH ; ultimately, the fact remains that morally speaking, not one of us should choose to violate our conscience. It's often the perceived personal ramifications of such a choice which causes one like myself to flinch. Safe on the Father's Lap!
Wow, this is a wonderful thing to hear from a Bishop. I too have wondered if the ongoing life of the cells of infants isn't somehow affecting the peace of their souls. Yes, their bodies need to be put to rest.
This is a must see video on vaccines..there are apparently 3 parts but only part 1 has been released thus far. What struck me most are the interviews with doctors/scientists that are outraged over these vaccines and they're own fears as to what could happen. This video may help put doubt into family members..of so many here who can't be convinced to not take these vaccines. We must wait for safe and ethical vaccines. Lord have Mercy. https://rumble.com/vcdpbj-injection...re-being-promisedbut-something-is-not-ri.html Are the Covid-19 Vaccines Safe? Something Is Not Right: Part 1
If it were abortifacient drugs (morning after pill etc) then you would be morally culpable for cooperating with the destruction of innocent life and cooperation with evil.
Terry at the time of Henry VIII only one Catholic Bishop in the whole of England and Wales stood against the King when he declared himself Head of the Church. That was St John Fisher who died for doing so. When you say, 'The Bishops', you imply that all Bishops are fine with this. In point of fact they aren't all fine. I have concerns too about these new fangled , 'Bishops Conferences', there were no such thing before in the history of the Church. Suddenly they are all in all. I recall what Pope St John Paul said , 'Right does not rest with the majority.' If a majority of Bishops say something is right and a tiny minority say it is wrong. which has the greater moral force? Not perhaps always the majority in the world I think. As St Athanasius knew very well. As to this 'Remote connection', thing. It makes me think of the Immaculate Conception. Would The Immaculate Conception be satisfied with having a just a 'remote ' connection to evil? and if she consented would she be , 'Immaculate? It just strikes me that a lot of these arguments are arguments of the head rather than arguments of the heart. I am writing this because I have been praying and meditating about these things in my heart. Maybe I am wrong , but I have stored these things in my heart and baked them in the oven of prayer and this is what I have come up with. There is loads and loads of pressure on these Bishops to approve these vaccines. It is very possible that they have...well... simply caved. I don;t find this, 'Remote connection with evil' argument altogether convincing. It has an easy get along smell to it. It just strikes me as very, very..well convenient. It smells wrong. But there you go, there's my old Catholic heart speaking, rather than my head. Very, very convenient indeed...'Remote connection to evil', I wonder who came up with that one and if it was whispered in his ear by an evil spirit?
You know, very,very few people ever do evil for the love of evil. People tend to do evil because the devil has convinced them that the evil is a good. That's the way evil works. 'Remote connection to evil', perhaps? What a good excuse for doing evil that it may be. That the evil one is involving oneself in may be, 'Remote'. So that's alright then. It's , 'Remote? My head tells me that may be fine But my old Irish Catholic heart cried out that it is very much not. As I grow older I tend to follow my heart.
Padraig, In the case of the vaccine, for me, the horror of abortion is the determining factor. Do you know that in the world, there are 2 abortions every 3 seconds. Totally mind-blowing! In the USA, the only reason our population is not decreasing is due to immigration. Abortion and contraception are the culprits. I remember the lie perpetrated during the Clinton Administration: "Safe, Legal, Rare". What a far cry from where we are today: Abortion through all nine months in many States! It is a scourge which has been building and continues to build as seen in the recent expansion of abortion in Argentina! I won't argue about remote cooperation. Here's a good site: https://www.consciencelaws.org/religion/religion002.aspx When it comes to the issue of abortion, my heart is the determining factor simply because I see satan's hand in the whole process. I'm a big picture person who grieves over the overarching horror and personally finds it difficult to break it down into small pieces (i.e. vaccine). Well, soon all chaplains at Upstate Hospital will most probably be required to have the vaccine. Using an American phrase, for me, that is where the rubber will meet the road. Safe Under Mary's Mantle!
Maybe one good thing about the Vaccine and all that is happening in the world and in the Church is that it is such a huge teacher of humility. Confusion is everywhere. Just as Our Lady warned us at Akita. That Bishop would contradict Bishop. Certainly I don't have all the answers myself. But I found myself that going to the Lord in the Blessed Sacrament is the great teacher and healer. Maybe we don;t get all the answers laid out before us but we do get a measure of peace in not knowing all the answers we might like...and which is us has all the answers? Two of my brothers are very, very hungry to get the vaccine. So much so that they are willing to pay a lot of money to get it quickly. I dare say that there are millions like them. The vaccine having become a Messiah a Modern Medical Redeemer. As to abortion. There is an ancient Jewish legend regarding the twelve just men who uphold the entire world bu keeping the Torah, the Law of Moses perfectly. So long as there are these twelve just men do so the world will stay safe. We have the same kind of Legend in the Catholic Church. So long as there are a sufficient number of Victim souls who offer themselves up as living Crosses then the Chalice of God's Justice will not overflow. The arm of God's Justice will not grow to heavy. However the Sin of Moloch the slaughter of the innocent I believe has tipped the balance. My belief is that it is this huge sin, abortion which has tipped the scales of Justice and broth the virus on our heads. How then could we heal the virus with a cure which is itself Moloch tainted? I don't see who this could be. But perhaps I am mistaken. There is another modern Jewish legend concerning the Shoah , the Holocaust. It is saint that during the Extermination of the Jews in a Concentration Camp a group of Rabbi's and Talmudic scholars held a Trial of God accusing Him of guilt in not protecting His Chosen people. They found God guilty. I find this admirable in a way. Because as one Rabbi commented, 'Do not judge those who waled into the ovens unless you have walked in their shoes. Some went to their deaths praising God and singing psalms , some went cursing God and rejecting Him, but we cannot judge them because we have not walked their path!' We in the Church have not judged God because we have not related the Virus to God's Justice. We neither praise Him , nor do we curse Him. I find this very troubling. God never seems to get a mention. Vaccines get a mention. God's Justice, never. Why is this? I just wish we cared enough to bring God to Court, to curse or praise Him as our Jewish brothers once did. Why this silence?
Why this silence indeed? It shows how far and how deep the utter apostasy from God has advanced. "I would that you were hot or cold....but as you are neither hot nor cold I vomit you out of my mouth" Scripture shows us that God does not reject those who argue with Him or call Him out--like Job for example. But why would the rabbis not ask themselves why God allowed it to happen? They have never had an understanding of atoning suffering because they do not know or accept Christ. They are moving through the dark. And sadly many Christians have abandoned their understanding of the Cross and victim souls. We are too used to this world now--especially abortion. The abomination before God's Face every moment. It is unspeakable and yet it is so common now. What a horror.
I wonder what would happen if instead of the killing of the children from whom the stem cells were harvested to develop these vaccines that took place who knows where and who knows how many decades ago (not to mention who the children were), if rather people saw an abortion take place before their eyes and saw the stem cells being "harvested" and then utilized to develop some vaccine, if they would be so gung ho on getting injected with that vaccine? Does it actually make a difference to the moral liceity of the situation because the abortions were a long time ago? I'm asking as someone who doesn't know but doesn't see how that makes a difference. On another note, I just saw this story from the New York Post. Here are its first lines: Dr. Anthony Fauci said it’s possible that COVID-19 vaccines will become mandatory in order to travel to other countries or attend school. “Everything will be on the table for discussion,” Fauci, who will be chief medical adviser to President-elect Joe Biden, told Newsweek. The director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases stressed that it’s “not up to me to make a decision,” but added that “these are all things that will be discussed [under the Biden administration].” I can only imagine the amount of pressure to get vaccinated that there ̶m̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ will be on people who refuse the vaccine, especially if Biden actually becomes president. I haven't made up my mind but I am certainly leaning towards not getting it. My family would think I am crazy but I don't care. But what if it means not being able to fly to go see them? That would be horrible.
Thanks for sharing in your post. I think we need to pray for each other now each day. Bishop Schneider said that it didn’t matter how long ago the abortions took place. Dr Fauci is one of THEM. Sadly.
Yes Padraig I read about this court case. The Jewish Rabbi's sat in Judgement of God, post holocaust. During the court case they listened to many witnesses, the living victims of the unspeakable horrors of Nazi Germany's final solution. I don't know how long the case took, I believe it may have been many weeks. When all the witnesses had testified, the judges deliberated, then the verdict was read by one of the judges/Rabbi's, to a full court. God was found guilty on all counts! After a few moments the Rabbi added, "Therefore, let us Pray" And he lead the courtroom in prayer.
The Nobel Laureate Elie Weisel wrote play about it called, 'God on Trial' in which God is declared guilty. Weisel claimed three of them in the Camp held the trial. But I am inclined to think it was only a legend, though an interesting one. But who knows?
I think the same thing. Injecting cells from other humans or animals into our bodies is probably not what our Creator intended for us, especially given the means used to obtain the cells (it's not like the animals are treated with compassion either when used for scientific research). Speaking of immortal cell lines, I was reminded of the story about the immortal HeLa cell line. That cell line was sourced from cancer cells obtained from the cervix of Henrietta Lacks, a poor black American woman, without her knowledge or consent. That cell line has been used in a long list of things including vaccines. That story is full of moral and ethical considerations too, but it's never discussed in Christian circles. There is a good book about this story called The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks which can be downloaded. You really can't dig very far into our modern science before coming up with loads of ethical issues which are usually kept well hidden from the public.
