US Supreme Court to rule on same-sex"marriage"

Discussion in 'The Spirit of the USA' started by miker, Jan 17, 2015.

  1. andree

    andree Powers


    Seeing all of these multicoloured signs of support everywhere reminded me of a vision received by one of the visionaries in Ischia (Our Lady of Zaro). When I read it months ago, I couldn't figure out which country had a multicoloured flag.

    I will translate below from French, but the original in Italian is here.

    December 8, 2014: After being slain in the Spirit, I found myself in St Peter's square where there was a riot. There were many people holding inverted crosses, swearing against the Immaculate and the Holy Name of Jesus. They had flags with a half moon and flags with many multicoloured stripes. Many were trying to climb. The colonnade was full of blood; in the distance, we could hear the rumbling of war and suddenly, a great earthquake shook the earth so violently that windows here and there shattered....
     
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  2. garabandal

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  3. Joe Crozier

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    I thought the fighting Irish was coming out in you. The fighting Scot in me agrees. It also seems to be part of God's plan that sometimes we are called to take up arms for the sake of truth and the greater good of ourselves and others and not just in the old testament. There, however, we have the example of Judith who, having gained entry into the camp of the enemies of Israel, came on to their leader in order to make him drop his guard and then got him so drunk, having taken his sword, "with all her strength she struck his neck twice and cut off his head" All seemingly with God's blessing. The good fight of the Crusaders (not the bad part where dreadful and unapproved actions were carried out) was a case in point and then of course there is Joan of Arc. In the Americas on latter days there are many examples of heroism where priests defended their people. In abortion a child's life is at stake. There is no question of this in our faith. I have not had the guts to take defence of such life to the extreme but I can see the point of thoses who do...never against the mother but perhaps sometimes against the butchers responsible for the slaughter of the innocent there my be a argument for extreme measures. I am not suggesting at all that people ever kill doctors but if someone tried to kill a child in my care I would try to stop them and maybe even kill them. Jesus tells us there is no greater love than that found in laying down your life for the sake of another. I realize this opens a whole can of worms and in general do not advocate violence but in line with Church teaching and in the Spirit of sacrifice I see a place for it, not in the slaughter of the innocent as with ISIS but when we have to defend our families. I had an old patient whose family had been evicted by the Catholic church many years ago leaving them homeless. They left the Church and never returned. Generations lost to the Faith. His favourite saying was 'religion begins on your own doorstep." By this he was saying there is no point in showing up in church on Sunday if you are neglecting the well being of your family the rest of the week. The Church neglected his family so for him religion ended there. He found fellowship in The Masons and ended up on their role of honour, a very rare thing in New Zealand. Just think what he could have achieved for the church. While his case did not justify violence someone should have taken a stand for his family. Someone should have fought for him.
    I stood at his hospital bed while he lay dying and when no one else was in the room I baptised him and said the Divine Mercy Chaplet for him. His family asked me to do his eulogy and his friends from the lodge were at the funeral all dressed up in their regalia. But it was his Mickey Doo friend, as he called me, who farewelled him. He was 93 years old. God give us the grace and the courage to fight the good fight when the necessity arises, even to take up arms if we must. I do not ask you to agree. This is only my thought. 'At Boolavogue as the sun was setting.....
     
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  4. miker

    miker Powers

    I think Mr. Dreher is onto something here when he describes the Benedict option. Exactly how it comes about who knows? He writes:

    "It is time for what I call the Benedict Option. In his 1982 book After Virtue, the eminent philosopher Alasdair MacIntyre likened the current age to the fall of ancient Rome. He pointed to Benedict of Nursia, a pious young Christian who left the chaos of Rome to go to the woods to pray, as an example for us. We who want to live by the traditional virtues, MacIntyre said, have to pioneer new ways of doing so in community. We await, he said “a new — and doubtless very different — St. Benedict.”"


    Interestingly enough, my wife and I have become part of smaller Catholic community that has in a sense gone back to basics - the Word, The Eucharist and Community. I mentioned to my wife last night as we struggled with this death of America, where would we be today if not for our community and the spiritually strength we gain from it?


    http://time.com/3938050/orthodox-christians-must-now-learn-to-live-as-exiles-in-our-own-country/
     
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  5. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    So one has to wonder why Pope Francis has ducked this issue? As Peter's successor why has he not come out and excommunicated the Irish and American Catholic leaders, especially Catholic Supreme Court Justices who support Sodomy? St. John Paul the Great pray for us!!
     
  6. Bernadette

    Bernadette Archangels

    I agree. Our Bishop came out with a statement yesterday about his disappointment and stated that this ruling can not change the truth. He was very respectful and not condescending at all. He usually appears to skirt most issues of the day so I'm proud. The comments that I viewed after by our local commenters caused me so much grief at the mostly negative verbal attacks they launched against the Church and our faithful priests. I do believe that soon it's going to become obvious there's no in between for a lot of fence sitters especially religious. You're either with Him or against Him. At mass on TV with EWTN they also addressed the recent ruling and their Bishops response. We much have faith and persevere. But I'm very concerned when our highest leaders have remained silent so far. This leads to more confusion. The quickest way to mislead the flock in this circumstance is by silence and not addressing things. We must hear the truth! We know it but all must know where our Church stands without any apologies for the truth. I'm not saying to attack just the expressing the sadness and continue to preach the truth. I'm still in a quandary. Imagine what our Beautiful Mother and Our Beloved Jesus are feeling. It's like the crucifixion all over.

    God Bless!
     
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  7. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Sodomy brought God's wrath down on the two cities infested with homosexuality, what will his Pope, Cardinals, Bishops and Priests do/say? Silence is overwhelming at the moment. :unsure:
     
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  9. miker

    miker Powers

    My first reaction to the excommunication of Kennedy and Sotomyor would be for what purpose would it serve? Would it help them see there obstinate and change their positions and conform to the Church? I doubt it. So, I guess it would serve to just formalize what they really did to themselves- they separated and cut themselves off from the Church. Would the Public Excommunication serve a purpose for other Catholics? Again, I doubt it. Unfortunately, a majority of American Catholics (much like the Irish) agree with this ruling and believe in SSM. So, it seems it would serve no purpose in terms of an example or warning to others Catholics. So, in the end, it appears it would really only impact what is left of the Church and those of us who call ourselves a remnant. Perhaps like I said above, it formalizes the reality of a Church already in schism. Maybe that in and if itself is reason enough? Maybe it's time to recognize we have as Pope Benedict has said, a smaller, more spiritual Church that has no standing as it once had in the world.

    One last thought- and a technical one in terms of Church workings - is it the Pope or the local bishop that excommunicates those in his diocese.?
     
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  11. miker

    miker Powers

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  12. jnice :)

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    Thanks Miker. I'm glad it turned out well for this one unlike the baker and the photographer. Our Church is threading on thin ice of persecution...i guess it won't be long from now to see more "anti-gay or anti-LBGT" lawsuits. Nevertheless, the Scriptures will be fulfilled and GOD will still be TRIUMPHANT in the end as it was in the beginning.

    Jesus, Mary and Joseph, I love You, please save souls!
     
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  13. Joe Crozier

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    I agree jnice. The worst is yet to come. I was disturbed to read the comment of the boss of this brave woman. He said our comments should never be hurtful. I disagree. They should never be harmful. Hurt is not bad. Ask any athlete who has to go through pain to improve performance. Ask any loving mother or father who has had to give their child a smack. It may hurt but it does not harm. These people who are harming society need to be hurt by our words to get their attention but thank God it will be God who does the ultimate hurting. Meanwhile when we speak those words that they find so hurtful we can expect to suffer great harm to our business and our selves at their hands. Our words should not be intended to cause offense but there is nothing we can do if offense is taken. We are told in Corinthians that love does not take offense. What the homosexual lobby is expressing therefore, cannot be love. We have to be careful and considerate in how we express it but when this is done then the Truth can never offend. So any offense taken is a lie. We still have to stick to what we believe is The Truth. Perhaps we can take offense but only when Our Lord is offended and for His sake. In the end His Truth will prevail. Prepare to be a martyr. Is it God's will that a man should have sex with another man? Can this ever be called love? The answer to both these questions is a resounding NO. And most people know that. Not just Christians.
     
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  14. Joe Crozier

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    Some good news. The Little Flower's parents are to be canonised together as husband and wife. This is a first in Church history and as far as I am concerned is a wonderful affirmation by Our Holy Father of the Church's teaching on traditional family life and the definition of marriage as being between a man and a woman following the decisions in Ireland and America. As for other details he is just letting the darnel grow so it can be easier identified and separated for the fire.
     
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  15. Joe Crozier

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    Uzziah said to her
    My daughter, may the Most High God bless you more than all women on earth.
    And blessed be the Lord God, the Creator of heaven and earth who has led you to behead the leader of our enemies.
    Never will people forget the confidence you have shown; they will always remember the power of God.
    May God ensure your everlasting glory, and may He reward and bless you FOR YOU HAVE RISKED YOUR LIFE when your race was humiliated.
    You chose instead to do the best before God in order to prevent our downfall."
    And all the people said "Amen Amen."
    Book of Judith 13:18-20
    A precursor for Mary Help of Christians. Instead of beheading Satan She will crush his head under her heel.
     
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  16. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Excommunication is not only something for the sinner to ponder, it is a reaffirmation to the faithful that receiving our Lord in Eucharist is not to be taken lightly. It is also a consolation to the faithful that the Church is not indifferent to grave abuses of faith and morals. As it is today, we are sinking in silence and apathy of our spiritual leaders in the highest of offices and this is demoralizing the faithful and a cause of concern.

    Modern Catholic Dictionaryby Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J.

    EXCOMMUNICATION.
    An ecclesiastical censure by which one is more or less excluded from communion with the faithful. It is also called anathema, especially if it is inflicted with formal solemnities on persons notoriously obstinate to reconciliation. Two basic forms of excommunication are legislated by the Code of Canon Law, namely inflicted penalties (ferendae sententiae) and automatic penalties (latae sententiae). In the first type, a penalty does not bind until after it has been imposed on the guilty party. In the second type, the excommunication is incurred by the very commission of the offense, if the law or precept expressly determines this (Canon 1314). Most excommunications are of the second type. Among others identified by the new Code are the following:
    "An apostate from the faith, a heretic or a schismatic incurs automatic excommunication" (Canon 1364)."A person who throws away the consecrated species or takes them or retains them for a sacrilegious purpose incurs an automatic excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See" (Canon 1367)."A confessor who directly violates the seal of confession incurs an automatic excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See" (Canon 1388)."A person who procures a successful abortion incurs an automatic excommunication" (Canon 1398).
    There are three principal effects of this penalty, so that "an excommunicated person is forbidden:

    to have any ministerial participation in celebrating the Eucharistic Sacrifice or in any other ceremonies whatsoever of public worship
    to celebrate the sacraments and sacramentals and to receive the sacraments
    to discharge any ecclesiastical offices, ministries or functions whatsoever, or to place acts of governance"
    (Canon 1331).​
     
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  17. Joe Crozier

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    Satan has really upped his game. I have turned the telly on randomly and there is nothing but homosexuality propaganda, abortionist propaganda, euthanasia propaganda, campaigns to have Christianity removed from school, programmes whose sole aim seems to be to normalise perversion, programmes that attack normal family values, etc etc. Its always been there. It just seems to have gathered pace. Another anti Catholic drama starts tonight. Zombies, magic and death is everywhere. I bet that in a poll Satanism would have huge support. But only some Christians would get alarmed at any of this. Its like Satan is saying here I come. Get out of my way or die. Even though he knows he can't win. May God rebuke him we humbly pray. May the power of Christ control him. May the the Lamb of God spare us. Most people don't have a clue what's round the corner. We do but will that help us? Will that help us to help others? And if so how? Here we are mostly preaching to the converted. I try to carry our message outside the flock. I try to warn my friends. There is only so much they want to hear and even less accept. They think that on this side of my life I have lost it. Thankfully they remain good friends even though we disagree. But soon I will pay the price.
     
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  18. Joe Crozier

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    I will finish on a good note - I have just tonight discovered a namesake Fr Antoine Crozier who received the stigmata during mass in 1901. He asked Christ to make it invisible for the sake of his humility and this was granted but he kept the pain until the day he died. He was a friend of Blessed Fr Charles Foucauld who was a modern martyr and beatified by Benedict XVI. Nice way to end my weekend. After becoming chaplain to the Carmel the Prioress suggested he wrote a book and Fr Antoine published, "How We Should Love God" but not in English.
     
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  19. padraig

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    Blessed Charles Foucauld is such an interesting person himself. he came form an immensely wealthy French family and became a sort of French Army Officer.
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    I say a kind of Officer as his only intention in life was to have a good time and live things up.
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    However a bit like St Augustine the good times did not bring happines for Charles and he had a profound conversion experience and ended up becomming a Cistercian monk.

    However this was not enough for him and he wound up setting up his very own hermitage in North Africa in the desert in the middle of nowhere. Living a life of intense simplicity, poverty and penance.

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    I think the one thing that strikes me about Blessed Cahrles is those old pictures of his face. They just glow with holiness and light, or to put it another way he was a saint who looked like an angel. He was after many years out there on his won martured by Beduoin itinerants and a religious Order follows in his foot steps today.

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  20. Joe Crozier

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    Thanks for that Padraig. I see that some of his writings were based on Fr Crozier's. I must look him up. As you say, great photos. Where do you find all this. Your old brain must be bulging at the seems with all that knowledge.
     

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