Tommy Robinson 'disappeared' UK police state

Unfortunately, that's not true. I am in contact with a local newspaper reporter who successfully asked the judge for reporting restrictions to be lifted yesterday.

Paramount is the right to a fair trial, so that paedophiles and rapists are not set free to terrorise further victims.

 

I watched the video stream that got him arrested.

You only see the accused. You do not see the jury entering.

So your second hand source - the local newspaper reporter mustn't have seen the video.

I go by the primary source so there you go. Only the accused appeared in the video as they were about to go into the court-room to get their sentence so the presence of Tommy Robinson whilst technically not legal did not prejudice this case since all evidence had been considered in court already. The accused were going in to get sentenced.

 

yes. I think many people have seen it by now.

She has seen it as well. She was actually watching the arrest of Tommy Robinson/Stephen Lennon as it happened, because she was at court that day too.

The judge in the Canterbury case( at which TR was given his suspended sentence) made it very clear that he was not to prejudice a trial ever again by attempting to broadcast from the court. This is broadcasting law in the UK, where we do not televise trials live, but only report certain things once charges have been made, while the trial is live and after verdicts and sentencing.

 

So you agree that the video does not show the jury entering?

 

It's not really about me or what I agree or disagree with. A video only shows a small amount of information. members of the jury were walking into court as he was "broadcasting". The point is, Tommy Robinson/Stephen Lennon was knowingly prejudicing a very serious trial and the victims deserve justice. The udge at Canterbury made it very clear that he mustn't live-stream from outside a court while proceedings are active. Whether he was poorly advised or just didn't understand, is possible.

 

This is a very helpful summary of what happened, from a first hand source (i.e. someone one who was actually there)

@StephanieFinneg (twitter thread)

 

It's her word against the (full) video.

She stated this on her twitter page

PS read the FULL details of the court hearing here (with a link to Leeds live --)

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/tommy-robinson-jailed-facebook-live-14718619


On the Leeds Live page it says -- Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon, streamed an hour-long Facebook Live outside the court last Friday and within hours it had been watched more than 250,000 times.

The full 1hour 15 minute video of the Live Broadcast is on Youtube for anyone who wants to see it for themselves - I have watched it -- there are no jurors entering the court only the accused.

 

I think what's happened here, Garbandal, is that you and I disagree about the facts. That's fine. Free speech and fair trials are worth defending. Unfortunately, Tommy Robinson is not a hill to die on.

 

Fair enough -- but I am going to continue to post on this because Britain is clearly heading towards PC totalitarianism.

Free speech is increasingly under attack and if we do not stand up to the PC brigade/establishment and the Though Police who arrest Christians for preaching (yet ignore Muslim hate preachers at the same time ironically) then we Catholics are next!

 

Remarkable moment Catholic MP Jacob Rees-Mogg scolds BBC host for 'straying into religious bigotry'.

"The problem with liberal tolerance is it has got to the point of only tolerating what it likes."

 

SAS Sikh Awareness Society reporting on the Leeds Grooming Scandal in May 2018 - the same one which was covered by Tommy Robinson.



He names and shames each of the accused ---

A crown gathers and people shout pedo and other abuses at those going in -- lol

So Tommy Robinson only reporting on what was already public knowledge.

 

Christians in the UK are sometimes accused of ‘causing offence’ simply for expressing mainstream Christian teaching.

Two church workers were told by a police officer not to share their faith in a part of Birmingham, because it was ‘a Muslim area’.

Hotel owners Ben and Sharon Vogelenzang were prosecuted and taken to court after a Muslim guest complained that she was offended by comments made during a discussion about religion. Despite being vindicated in the court ruling, they lost contracts over the case and had to close their business.

Christian street preacher Dale Mcalpine was arrested in 2010 after describing homosexuality as a sin during a conversation with a PCSO. Gay rights activist Peter Tatchell defended his right to freedom of speech and said he should not have been arrested and charged. The CPS later dropped the charges.

Police in Lancashire told the owner of a Christian café to stop displaying Bible texts on a video screen on his premises. Jamie Murray (pictured) was showing the New Testament verse-by-verse, yet officers told him to stop because it was ‘offensive’ and breached public order laws. After the police actions were exposed in the media, no action was taken against Mr Murray.

https://www.christian.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/extremism-against-christians.pdf

 

Politically Correct OFSTED and Inspections of Schools based on British Values -- abuse of young students in private interviews -- why are these sickos allowed to interview children on their own??

JEWISH SCHOOLS

Inspectors investigating ‘British values’ at Orthodox Jewish schools in September 2014 asked secondary school girls intrusive questions such as ‘Have you got a boyfriend?’ and ‘Do you know two men can marry?’ At one Orthodox Jewish primary school, girls aged nine were asked if they understood how babies were made and whether they knew any gay people. One of the schools – Beis Yaakov High School Academy – was placed into special measures and rebuked by Ofsted for failing to promote ‘British values’. In 2015, a Jewish rabbi who also conducted inspections for Ofsted, told a group of Jewish primary school teachers that Ofsted wants to clamp down on any schools that “don’t conform to their ideology”. Rabbi Nathaniel Lieberman also claimed that Ofsted has “an agenda to knock down” Jewish schools, and is “looking for a pretext for inspectors just to turn up.

THE DURHAM FREE SCHOOL
Ofsted launched its hostile inspection of The Durham Free School in November 2014. One eleven-year-old says she was asked if she was a lesbian and whether she thought she was in the wrong body. Another says an inspector asked if she was comfortable in her own body or whether she wanted to change sex. A 12-yearold boy said he was asked if he was gay and if he had lost his virginity. This took place when he was on his own with an inspector in a room with the door shut. These allegations are contained in written statements made by the students. Ofsted was made aware of them but did not speak to the teachers, pupils or their parents to investigate.

https://www.christian.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Ofsted_briefing_web-2.pdf

 

What you are describing here is beyond Orwellian. This is rank evil. How can the British public endure this? It is a tyranny!

 

Thanks. I had never heard of her. Will watch out for videos about her on YouTube because I have stopped reading the papers and rarely watch TV news now, other than what's on EWTN.

I understand that there was a reporting ban on the trial but wouldn't that be for proceedings in the court room? On the video Garabandal linked I didn't hear him give any details about the trial itself other than the names of some of the defendants. Someone posted a comment beneath the video that a newspaper in Huddersfield had previously published the names and addresses of all the defendants, so he wasn't reporting anything new. Also, he was arrested for a breach of the peace but I didn't see him breaching the peace and that wasn't what he was charged with. Can police arrest a person for a crime, not charge them with that crime but charge them with a different crime instead? That's a genuine question because I know little about our own justice system and even less about the British system. His video didn't show the jury entering the court but that doesn't mean he didn't film them and I don't think that should be permitted although I don't know whether it is illegal.

There's something about his manner of reporting which I find distasteful - a kind of hype which can appeal to people's baser instincts albeit he is trying to highlight the most vile of all crimes which appears to have been permitted to spread in England with little or no attention from the authorities. I would be concerned that he is using the failure of the justice system to whip up hatred towards all Muslims when the vast majority of Muslims are innocent of those crimes. It's like the Sun, the Mirror or the News of the World on steroids. That's the kind of hyperbole which has led to all Catholic priests being branded as paedophiles when less than 10% were guilty.

All that said, there is an impression that Islam gets special protection from the British establishment, especially the "respectable" media. While I know that in Labour controlled areas it was mainly due to Labour's courting the Muslim vote, I wonder how much of the Conservatives' turning a blind eye could be down to the goal of making London a hub for Islamic banking.

 

I agree with you that his reporting style is too aggressive and he seeks confrontation. I do not particularly like the fella but he has a certain degree of bravery 1. In exposing the extent of the pedophile Asian grooming gangs & the cover up by the authorities/state and 2. Taking on the PC brigade of the State that still wants to hide the problem & shut down anyone who exposes the extent of the scandal that is still going on. He has certainly stuck his neck on the line.

To that extent it is really about free speech. Robinson was banned from twitter for saying that 85% of all grooming gangs were Asian in origin.

Even people within the Asian community agree with this figure. By Asian we really mean Muslim, which scares the hell out of the PC government who don't want to face reality.

Tommy R is a reporter. He may may not be a very good one but I defend his right to report on these issues as no one else is really doing so.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...se-rotherham-rochdale-newcastle-a8101941.html

 

ROTERHHAM GROOMING GANGS (Jay report 2014)

http://www.annemariewaters.org/roth...an-investigation-in-to-muslim-grooming-gangs/

ATTITUDES
One remarkable and recurrent theme throughout the Jay Report is the attitude of some police and social services workers. In some instances, an attitude of victim-blaming is clear. Other cases reveal a refusal to acknowledge or tackle the abuse, others reveal a culture of denial.

• In two cases, fathers who had attempted to remove their daughters from abusers were themselves arrested
• Victims themselves were arrested for being “drunk and disorderly” or for breach of the peace
• Several social workers claim that CSE was known about from the early 1990s, but this was often viewed as “child prostitution”
• Two adults received a caution after admitting to sexual intercourse with a 12 year old girl; a CID representative argued that the child had been “100% consensual in every incident”
• “Police and children’s services were ineffective and seemed to blame the child”
• Referrals regarding one 14 year old girl were made by police to social services, but were never followed up; her rapist was later convicted
• A 12 year old girl, found drunk in the car of a CSE suspect – who had indecent photographs of her on his phone – was referred to authorities. Her father provided information regarding the identity of the perpetrators, as well as details on where and when she had been abused. Months later, she was assessed by socials services as not being at risk of child sexual exploitation, and her case closed. She was subsequently found in a derelict house, with another child and a number of adult men, where she was arrested for being drunk and disorderly – the men were not arrested
• Whilst good procedures were in place in terms of policing, these were seen as “widely disregarded”; some police officers displayed a “lack of understanding of CSE and the nature of grooming”
• An interviewee for the inquiry described “how the police refused to intervene when you girls who were thought to victims of CSE were being beaten up and abused”

 

Conclusion

To conclude, let us look at what we know for certain. A vast number of girls, mostly white English girls, have been groomed, sexually abused, gang-raped, and tortured by organised gangs of men. It is a pre-planned crime that continues over time and involves large numbers of men. This specific kind of sexual abuse has become known as Child Sexual Exploitation. Some of the girls victimised have been in the care of local government when the abuse took place. We know that the majority of the perpetrators, certainly based on prosecutions, are men of the Muslim faith.

We are very aware too of the attitude to rape, and women in general, that is taught, encouraged, and preached in mosques all over the world – including in Britain.

If we are honest with ourselves, we should begin to look at whether religion is providing at least some self-justification for men who participate in these kind of crimes. If you believe that women who do not behave as your religious leaders say they should, deserve to be raped, can it really be denied that this may very incentivise rape. Add to this a notion that Western society is decadent and weak, mix in a rather venomous hatred of white people, and you have the recipe for anti-white crime.

This crime takes place against a backdrop of political correctness and a paralysing fear; the public sector, thanks to dominance by Left-wing ideologues, is terrified of the word racist. This is across the board – the police, social services, the NHS, local government. Decisions, often significant ones, can be decided on the basis of whether a racism accusation could result. I have spoken to many public sector workers who confirm this to me, and have experienced it myself as a workers’ rep in the NHS many years ago.

Being dominated by leftist thought, the public sector has become reluctant to place “blame” or hold people personally responsible for their actions. This can manifest in something resembling sympathy for offenders, or a greater consideration for their rights than those of the victim. One gets the impression that many in the public sector view the rapists as a kind of victim also.

One thing that Left-wing councils seem particularly reluctant to do is challenge suspected criminals if they happen to be members of an ethnic minority community. One gets the impression here also that Labour councils chose to ignore rape and sexual torture as to take firm action would lead to racial tension (but of course it is the rapists who cause this ‘tension’) and worse still, offer ammunition to their political opponents. The extreme Left ideology, which influences all areas of public life, will not allow for truths to be exposed if they could cause public disquiet on the topics of immigration or multiculturalism.

The public sector is disorganised and excessively bureaucratic. Committees and sub-committees are common and problems are discussed far more often than they are resolved.

Policing has been all but redefined. The police are politicised and their role has been altered from law-enforcer to something akin to social worker. Large resources are used gathering information on crime, and “highlighting” crime, but far less, it seems, is being done to punish crime – something that is highly likely to reduce it.

What has been learned from this report is that few of the above problems have actually been addressed in the wake of the Rotherham report, or other high-profile “grooming” criminal trials. The public sector is still not keeping separate records or data on the sexual abuse and rape of girls in its charge. To even speak of this issue causes a damaging fear among workers in social services and police because the fear of racism accusations has not dissipated one iota.

Finally, what we know for certain is that any religiously-inspired attitudes towards women will not be discussed – this too has not changed one iota. We still refuse to fully acknowledge the hatred for white people, and white women in particular, that exists within the homes of some ethnic minority homes throughout the West. We are encouraging such disdain with our laws when we punish white people far more severely than we do non-whites in our courts.

The change needed is a complete cultural shift away from racial division and double standards to real justice – where a person is held responsible for their crimes irrespective of their skin colour or that of their victims. What is needed is an honest look at what drives attitudes towards women, and women’s sexuality, within minority communities and what impact this is having. We must be honest and brave and confront these problems for the sake of all concerned.

We need accurate and detailed recording of these crimes and investigation in to any emerging patterns.

Finally, we need to look with objectivity at the attitudes common in countries to which we open our borders. We have to ask whether a society in which sharia law, and all that it entails, is supported by the majority, can fit easily in to a secular Western democracy. We have to ask what problems this brings, and more importantly, we must prioritise the best interests of the people of Britain. The question that must be answered, but is not yet being asked is this: is it in the best interests of the people of Britain (particularly its women) to open our borders to countries which stone rape victims, and kill people for blasphemy? I would submit that it most certainly is not, as Rotherham and elsewhere have shown.
Anne Marie Waters, Sharia Watch UK, December 2015

 

It's true that we don't have to like someone to recognise that his rights are being infringed. I caught a snippet of the Tucker Carlson programme on Fox News last night where he was discussing the Tommy Robinson case with a British woman. I don't know whether the woman is a journalist but she's not a Robinson fan. Carlson and that woman highlighted the most disturbing aspect of Robinson's arrest which was the judge's ban on press coverage of his arrest and the British media's compliance with a clear breach of freedom of the press. Whatever about the judge's ban on reporting the trial, I don't know how her ban on reporting Robinson's arrest could be defended. That all the regular media complied with her unjust ban is the most troubling part of it and is an indictment of them.

If you mean Muslim you should say Muslim. You wouldn't be best pleased if a group of, say, Romanians were committing the same crimes in Asia and you were being lumped in with them because you are European. And I would object to all Irish travellers, all people of Irish extraction or, indeed, all Irish Catholics, being tarred with the same brush as the small group of ethnic Irish travellers who are Catholic and were found imprisoning people in Britain and using them as slave labour. Are you sure that Islam is the only common denominator between the perpetrators? Reading the comments beneath the news report in you link, I got the impression that the common denominator could just as easily be their ethnic roots in a particular region of the Indian subcontinent.

We Catholics need to be very, very careful not to jump on bandwagons aimed at suppressing people's religious freedom because the Islam bashers today are more than likely to be Catholic bashers tomorrow. Take care that the anti-all-religion crowd aren't employing "never let a crisis go to waste" tactics. It suits them to incite conflict between people of different faiths and then sit back and blame it all on "religion". Be careful not to be their useful tool because they will turn on you just as easily as they turn on Muslims.

 

There is quite a contrast between the hastiness of the arrest of Tommy Robinson by the British 'Justice' System and the failure of that system to deal with Mohammedan child-rape over many years, not to mention its continued failure to do so in many British towns as we write. Mark Steyn points out this week that the Rotherham scandal of over a thousand rapes by Mohammedans, many of them children, was only blown by the surreptitious recording of an interview with police by a victim who was told by these same police that they could do nothing to help her because it would get some of their colleagues into trouble.

I sympathise with those Sikhs, as the lying media describe the perpetrators of these horrific crimes as 'Asians', thus tarring them with the same brush.