The warning second coming

Lawrence, thank you for your gentle rebuke. Believe it or not, I am not as skeptical as I sound here. Like momscalling, I swing between belief and skeptism, and I spend a lot of time in Eucharistic Adoration to discern the true Voice of God. I guess I am really such a sinner that I am experiencing negative fruits from these messages while many are feeling positive.

I guess only time will tell if it is all authentic. God bless U all+

 

I'm as skeptical as I sound--though not about the warning, praying the chaplet, the rosary, the mercy of God and the love of Jesus Christ and Our Blessed Mother. I believe the Warning is coming and coming soon. I know I'm a sinner and in need of God's Mercy. I've had dreams sharing some of the same details given in these messages. Much of what's promoted on the website goes along with Catholic teachings and practice--but enough doesn't to make me think they're not from GOD. That's my very strong opinion.

According to these messages Jesus says:

May 23, 2011: Be wary of visionaries or seers who claim that they are receiving messages from Me who use ancient language or extracts from the Holy Bible. For this is not the way in which I would communicate to mankind today. Why would I do that? Would I not alienate a new generation? Those who are ignorant of the language contained in My Father’s Holy Book?

Simplicity is the key My children when communicating My most Holy Word. Remember when teaching others of the truth of My existence that simplicity in your approach is essential. If you do not do this you will not reach those lost souls because they will turn a deaf ear.

If you read this in context with the rest of the messages you'll understand more where this passage is going. Basically, it's claiming Jesus thinks the bible isn't quite right for this generation. Jesus communicating through scripture is SOOO last year. It will like totally alienate people. The Word of God needs to be simpler, hip, more modern. What ever shall we do? Relax . . . because the new and improved Word of God is here--coming soon in the handy dandy Book of Truth via his sacred seer, of course.

Allegedly, Jesus says:

November 22, 2010--Through this prophet and the Book of Truth I please with you once more out of My precious love for your all, turn to Me now before time runs out. Let Me hold you in my arms. Let My love flow through you in mind, body and soul. Open your hearts and let Me guide you to my Paradise on Earth where you will enjoy Eternal Life. Why would you wish to choose the other doomed path to nowhere when the truth has been revealed?

December 18, 2010--Now write this. The book of Truth is being presented to mankind to help them redeem themselves in My heart.

Christ has already redeemed mankind in full. Why do we need to be redeemed again?

December 25, 2010--Teach people the truth by reminding them constantly of the truth which is contained in My Father’s Book– the Book of Truth. These teachings will last forever.

Janurary 28, 2010--The world, my daughter, is being given this special gift – the Book of Truth – to show My children what they now need to do in order to prepare for The Warning, the illumination of conscience, which is being given to mankind to help prepare them adequately for My Second Coming. For those who don’t believe in Me they must still be given the chance to read the truth.

If the Old Testament, New Testament and testimonies of the saints haven't made them believers--the Book of Truth won't fare any better.

Luke 16: 27-31 Jesus tells the story of the rich man and Lazarus:

Jesus already rose from the dead. We have His words in the gospels, the testimony of the apostles, all of sacred scripture and the Holy Catholic Church to guide us. These messages encourage followers to turn to the Book of Truth over all of these--the truth in this new book will redeem them in Jesus' heart.

 

Hello Again
Oh how I like this discussion...
Firstly - thanks 'brokenchord' for your honest and frank reply... Thankyou for accepting my post for what it was...
Re the immediate post above, the seer I believe who states she communicates Jesus' word - has often talked about in the first person - that He's words have always remained as 'Truth' - like He's Fathers... Given to us first through the Bible, then over time, through the Holy Spirit via the Saints. The websites messages and their meaning is key here - ask yourself, do they twist the meaning from the original context & language? I believe they don't. BUT, like a protestant evangelist barking old scripture... I see many websites around the world by Baptists for example - they do alter the meaning, take it out of context etc... by their very efforts to apply old language and verses to modern day thinking. It's sort of an paradox... Where if you apply modern ideas, you would expect to source modern thinking - and vice versa... but no, I think this messages on this site are simple and succinct. Not contrary to the Bible, but enforce it with simple communicative language. I think this is the point the messages are making... If you believe they are from Jesus - He is saying that He is communicating the 'truth' that has always been - in simple modern language. I believe if a fake seer was trying to do this, the errors would be obvious You have quoted various passages above - which in my view support my view - but obviously you see them supporting yours... I guess we'll just have to wait and see... I do think it is a bit harsh to be taking the tone you have taken though...

"Jesus communicating through scripture is SOOO last year."

At no point have I felt it to be satirical, or contrary to Catholic teaching.. or stripping the faithful of any of the tools that either the Father, Jesus, the Holy Spirit or Mary has given us over the centuries to protect us from the devil and he's vices... just take a look at the message from the other day...

"Between now and The Warning all I ask of you children are your prayers and especially the recital of The Divine Mercy. My Father will save souls if you dedicate yourselves to saying this once a day preferably at 3 o´clock in the afternoon.

For those of My followers who denounce these messages I implore of you to pray to the Holy Spirit to ask for the gift of discernment before you dismiss my Holy Word. To those of you who insult My visionary and recipient of these messages you must ask this question. If it is Satan who you believe influences these messages then why would he ask you to pray? To seek forgiveness? To receive the Holy Eucharist? Then you will know that this is impossible.

The deceiver will influence My followers firstly to encourage them to deny My word because he knows that it will be their rejection of My Most Holy words of love that will hurt Me most.

Reject Satan and his wicked ways now. Turn to Me. I implore you for you must not allow him influence you in this way. Your prayers are needed now to save My poor children who will not survive The Warning."

I see that this is using modern language - just as Jesus used at the time of communicating with St. Faustina... which is closely linked to these messages - particularly the warning.

For example:

"Write this: before I come as the Just Judge, I am coming first as the King of Mercy. Before the day of justice arrives, there will be given to people a sign in the heavens of this sort:

All light in the heavens will be extinguished, and there will be great darkness over the whole earth. Then the sign of the cross will be seen in the sky, and from the openings where the hands and feet of the Savior were nailed will come forth great lights which will light up the earth for a period of time. This will take place shortly before the last day. (83 - Diary Entry)

The famous 84 entry follows:

"O Blood and Water, which gushed forth from the Heart of Jesus as a fount of mercy for us, I trust in You!
Vilnius, August 2. 1934."

I think Jesus has considered the best options on how to communicate to He's children of today... And to put it bluntly - the end comes because He's Church will be suffocated - persecuted! Snubbed out! Closed! Evil will have denied it's truth.. False Prophets will have risen... Tell me this isn't popular culture already...? And the worst is yet to come! Since Fatima, the view on the fate of the Catholic Church has been very grim. Evil will have thought it has won... this is why this warning is so just and needed by all humanity... to renew our faith - and as this website proclaims - to propagate mass conversion! Lets pray many will be converted and /or brought back to the Church, the truth, the faith in Jesus as these messages promises! This is why, since the vocation of St. Faustina, and praying the 9 day Novena, that praying for all kinds of sinners has been so important! lets join in now, sparked by this website if nothing else - and pray for the conversion of poor sinners! If not - pray for discernment like the messages say... eventually this warning will happen as promised in the words of St. Faustina.. at Garabandel.. also through previous seers and Saints.. and now - through Maria Divine Mercy.

From what I know - scouting the web, there is no other seer that currently has such vivid recollections and such a dynamic understanding of what is happening.. and it's relation to the warning? If wrong, I'm keen to see... Either way, I still only see the benefits of these messages.
God Bless from OZ

 

Thank you for the replies to my earlier post - I had only read the immediate posts above - then wrote my previous post - then read the earlier ones...
Wow - so Maria has written on this site.. ok. Thanks padraig for your comments - my thoughts of Maria as well... Although I hope I'm not gullible - I just feel warmth... in believing. And as the messages have said, this sensation can only come from the Father with Love I see the only issue is the idea of timing - & predicting... yes I see from 'momscalling' that by giving times - that skepticism is right when they don't come through.. interestingly though, I also see that a few messages later, after that date - the auther does refer to the pitfalls of predicting dates or periods. I guess we'll just have to wait and see... pray for the middle east, ptay for the Pope - pray for our leaders of the West... pray for the adversion of evil ways on our monetary system etc. And pray for Sinners. I find doing this, weather the incidences happen in my lifetime or not - I am still happy to believe because I know they are promoting great acts of helping Divine Mercy work in a world where in most places it isn't welcomed, known or turned to.
God Bless again - and thanks all for your replies.
Laurence

 

Some problems with the above message that you cite above, Laurence. (Welcome to the forum, by the way!)

'Jesus' claims to say: 'all I ask of you children are your prayers...' But Jesus in fact asks more than that of us, much more. Simply look at the Gospels. We are called to give our lives to Christ, not merely in moments of prayer. We are called to love of God and neighbour and ourselves. This threefold commandment lies at the heart of prayer. By doing Christ's will, in giving our lives to him, we truly do what He asks of us.

Then there is a sort of 'defense', which I find strange. Jesus in true private revelations never has to defend the veracity of the apparitions. This is a good example: 'If it is Satan who you believe influences these messages then why would he ask you to pray?'
This is simply because Satan uses a little truth, or else nobody would believe. Deception is his modus operandi. All apparitions condemned by the Church have a little truth at least mixed in with error. Also the 'Jesus' here treats unbelievers of this apparition as if they were disdainful and making a sinful choice, when the Church does not compel us to believe any apparition. We are free to choose for ourselves.

 

I am finding this discussion very useful. As discerning believers, we can learn much from each other's wisdom. I don't think anyone here is being skeptical for the sake of it. We just want to be alert against deception and gullibility. All your views (both sides) help me in my discernment of all private revelations.

I would certainly be cautious about the 'Book of Truth' mentioned in the messages. The Church says that public revelation is complete in Holy Scripture and Holy Teachings of the Church. Introducing a new book would sound a bit schismatic (I am being presumptuous here). Wasn't that how Joseph Smith started the Mormon church? He purportedly received messages from Jesus as well, and there we have the book of mormon today. That was how Muhammad started the Islam religion as well, purportedly receiving messages from the Angel Gabriel, which became the Quran.

This debate can go on and on. I would think that the authoritative guide is the Catechism of the Catholic Church on private revelations, which states that:
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66 "The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ." Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.

67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called "private" revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ's definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.

Christian faith cannot accept "revelations" that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such "revelations."
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God bless ++

 

I am afraid I did not go right through the messages as the rest of you did, very impressive.

My disquiet over them was on balance. They seem to me to put too much emphasis on , 'Happenings' . For instance as Deanna pointed out, over a month ago Maria said three world leaders would be killed within a month and they weren't. She also indicated we would be kind off borught round after seeing this prophesy completed, it wasn't.

Now I'm not so concerned with the fact that this prophecy wasn't and hasn't been completed (though this is a big fly in the ointment). Its the was these messages seem to hinge so heavily on future events. Not spiritual but kind of newsy.

I think the best template for prophecy was Jesus in the gospels. He issued many prophetic messages, such as the fall of Jerusalem, the scattering of the Church , the martyrdom of the Apostles and the Early Christians going right through to Apocalyptic times...but they were in no way central to the message, the Gospel He was preaching. Its the same at all the great Apparition Sites, prophesy is given but is not central. On the other hand if you go to Maria's web site its happenings that are really central rather than the Gospel. Whereas in say...Medugorje the Gospel is central in the messages and 'happenings' are a long way second. The preaching of the Gospel brings peace, not the sensational for sensational's sake.

I always try to keep the door open to such things....but ...

But as well as that there is a lack of the deep peace a strident tone...

All this is only about accent and general impression..but such things are important. To put it another way...in reading the Gsopel and reading messages from Our Lady from true sources such as Lourdes and Fatima...Jesus and Mary..well I don't know how esle to put it..they sing and they sing like an angelic choir....there is a super abundance of the presence of the Holy SPirit and so when we listen we hear at so many , many levels. Thus thorugh my whole life when I hear the gospel proclaimed day after day at mass though I hear the same excerpt time after time I find it totally bottomless like hearing a beautiful choir of many layered voices. It sings , it rings..and the same for Our Lady's words at Fatima and Lourdes, they sing, they ring like bells.

WHereas with these messages I do not hear the singing, enjoy the ringing...

 

Padraig your points are well taken especially with the balm of charity you offer.

 

Can I just point out that Fr Gobbi has a message in his book from Our Lady that says all the events foretold by her would be completed by year 2000. This has not happened. Yet Fr Gobbi is regarded as authentic by most people. God can change dates and give more time. Its not about proving the visionary true but about stirring people up and getting them to pray. Prayers may be going on for these leaders that may help in their conversion and God wants everybody saved.
Sticking prophesy to a date is a bit like the worm wondering what the bird is up to. God has the big picture. He will allow things to happen when there is no other hope for conversion.

Mary

 

Along that line I heard a wonderful word from a prophet at the conference I attended recently, he said "my job is to get you connected to God, the rest is up to you."

 

Its interesting, a wide diverse of views from loyal devout Catholics.

Thank God we have the Church to make the final call.

 

I respectfully disagree. I can't imagine Jesus condoning deception in His Name in order to get people to pray more. No matter how noble the end result appears to be lying to get there isn't the Christian way.

Even if a seer is being truthful about what he/she has seen and heard--there's no guarantee the message and messenger are from heaven. They might be, of course, then again the seer might be suffering from mental disturbances. The whole thing could be a con for money. Then there's the possibility the visionary is indeed interacting with beings from the other side--but they're fallen angels disguised as beings of light--fooling the visionary into perpetuating their twisted agenda.

There's a great danger of spiritual harm to anyone misled by false seers. This is why discerning the origins of such locutions and/or apparitions are extremely important. Truth matters.

 

Sean, I too was planning to comment on the defensiveness of the messages lately. I too, thought it odd that so much time was being spent lately by God or Jesus defending why the messages are being given in the manner they are, and what they have previously contained. God says what he says, doesn't He? No explanation by him should be necessary. In fact, Jesus loved to use parables, and when the disciples asked him why he spoke that way, he often replied with more parables. Or he said, as in today's Gospel reading, (my intrepretation) that they (the disciples) understood the message, but those who weren't "listening" were only hearing amusing stories...he was only entertainment to them. This saddened him, but it seemed as if He was trying to make us think with our hearts, and trying to teach us to really "listen". In these messages quoted above, Jesus is, in a way, saying that these days we can't handle that and so he is going to change his delivery. Why should mankind need him to simplify his delivery from the way he did it 2000 and more years ago? If anything, we should be able to handle more complicated paradoxal explanations these days, with our advancements in science and in the understanding of our world and our history. We have not gone backwards, why should God? Hmmm...or have we?

Also, I don't know if anyone has noticed, but it seems to me that whatever we are speculating about here on this forum since May, somehow gets almost directly addressed in the messages, as if the messages are debating with our skepticisms...( I don't know, this could be my imagination, after all, I also feel that Mary's messages at Medjugorje speak directly to me too).

Now, on a different note, I have just noticed something. I am going to throw this out there and see what happens. The prediction I brought up and others agree has not happened and has been a concern, about the three leaders - well, I am going to jump to the other side for a minute. What she said was that three leaders would all be killed within a month. Wait a minute, she actually didn't say they would all be killed within thirty days of that post. If you read it again, it "could" be saying only that they will all three be killed within the same month, but not which month, or "that month". See what I mean? Maybe we read that into the statement when it wasn't there. I see that now. It is like when Vicka said that one visionary would still be receiving messages when the secrets began to happen, and many people jumped to the conclusion that she said that "she" would still be receiving messages. That is not what she said, in fact, she later clarified this by saying it may not even be one of the current visionaries because Mary didn't say in any way who the visionary would be. But one thing bothers me, and that is Maria never clarified or corrected our direction of thinking about this statement, instead she abruptly left the forum as if we somehow were threatening to her. It would have been good for her to at least set us straight on this statement first. It seemed by not addressing it, that our intrepretation of her statement was correct. Comments anyone?

PS - this is really a good conversation, I think. I am learning much by seeing others' intrepretations of the messages, not only against, but also in support of them. Laurence, please continue to chime in. As long as we can keep it lively and friendly, its a good thing, I think.

 

Rain said, "Then there's the possibility the visionary is indeed interacting with beings from the other side--but they're fallen angels disguised as beings of light--fooling the visionary into perpetuating their twisted agenda."

I feel compelled to post what I think about Satan and fallen angels...it seems that sometimes people forget "who" they are, they are ANGELS. They are not seething, insane, crazy beings that only know how to scare you. They are as intelligent as our guardian angels, and they know us humans all too well. They also know God. They know how to pray, to adore, to worship, they did it themselves for a millennia. They know so much more than we do about God and Jesus and Mary, and they know how to manipulate His truth better than we ever could. They also know God's truth, but they do not believe in God's truth anymore. They have twisted it into their own truth, like so many human beings also have done. They do not always lie, they just give us their explanation of their truth. Part of their truth is that they are trying to "prove" to God that they can take us away from Him. To do that by using His own tools against him somehow would probably be great fun for them, the ultimate proof to God of their cunning and our gullibility. Sure, sometimes they flat out attack us, especially if the person is too strong in their faith to manipulate and toy with. Then they may resort to fear tactics to "scare" them, to show their power. Think about this, what does a child molester do? He starts out sweet and soft, then he violates, then he is sweet again, then he instills fear in his victim, but always he comes back with a sick gentleness to "soothe" his victim into believing his way is actually "good". Remember too, that the molester often thinks his way is right. Fallen angels do the same thing. There is nothing simple about their tactics, which is why we must always be on guard. Sometimes I worry when a visionary talks about being attacked by Satan in their bed at night. How does that win over the visionary, unless it would be just to make them so scared that they stop doing what God wants. I think it would usually have the opposite affect though. But, if they are doing both things, attacking, then nurturing, they would be in complete control...like a molester would be. I like some of these movies where they do not portray Satan as a monster, where they portray him as a "reasonable" thinker, as someone who reasons with his victims and may even have appeal. I sure wish there was an easy way to tell if a message is from a good source or a bad source. But there isn't. Which is why we must pray for God's help in discerning the difference.

 

Strange but I sense this defensiveness too. There is also a tone of constant accusation which is disturbing, especially towards priests and bishops, and those who are skeptical about the messages. ('...the accuser who accuses them day and night' - Rev 12:10)

I thought it was just the skeptical part of me but now I am hearing other people feeling the same, and these are people of faith and prayer. ('... because they know His Voice' - John 10:4)

 

When I saw Our Lady back in '81 I never told anoyone about it apart from my Spiritual Director ( who thank God believed me) for several reasons. First and foremost in that folks would take me for a nut and also it was such a personal powerful experience, life changing that I did not want to trivialise it by sharing it. For if it had been rejected it would have simply hurt too much.

However when I did eventually many years later come out of the closet a little and tell reactions were various and some hostile. My father for instance did not believe me, my mother did. I quoted to my father the verse from scripture,

Luke 4:24
And He said, "Truly I say to you, no prophet is welcome in his hometown.

..and he went a little quiet. On another occasion he brought up on his own out of the blue his unbelief by mother interdicted and said, 'I have never heard Padraig tell a lie ', which kinds hushed him.

I think maybe though they were too kind to say so many of brothers and sisters and friends did not really believe me. The years past and things swung round . I sensed folks did believe me and my father finally before he passed away gave me indications that he too believed.

But you know I could have argued till I was blue in the face that what I said was true and it wouldn't have done the least bit of good. What changes people attitudes is not what we say but what we are. Folks look at the lives we lead and judge us by that. The gold is in the actions rather than the tongue.

I never felt the need to defend spiritual, mystical things I have seen, such as meeting the souls in purgatory or Our Blessed Lady, in fact I can thoroughly understand why they would not. Nor to I in anyway expect folks to believe what I have seen of the future. I am very . very uneasy with folks who defend such things with too much vigour, especially when they use messages from 'Jesus' or 'Our Blessed Lady' as bolsters to the truth of what they claim.

It seems to me that a simple statement of the truth is enough and then to leave it there. Quoting messages from heaven in support of ones claims strikes me as...well convenient and slef serving, not typical of the behavious of heaven and militating against true humilty. For it seems to me there is an ease and comfort in knowing the truth oneself that needs no defense. Also I have a great sympathy for folks who do not believe, there can be quite a lot to take in at times.

When I started this forum at I believe the behest of Our Lady , she explained that I should be frank about my own spiritual / mystical experiences and I was very,very reluctant to do so. As things turned out folks have, (incredibly to me) been very accepting of them. In fact from what I have seen down the years it has helped people and even brought some back to the faith. THis is all positive. But if folks had refused to believe I would have not have been troubled by this, for who could blaim them really? :lol: In fact I expected this ..though it never happened. But I would never ,really have defended myself it the boot had been on the other foot..and I would never, never have used messages from Jesus or Mary to defend me, nor would I now really be very hurt or offended if they did not, in fact I would have expected it.

So when I see, 'visionaries' stridently defending themselves through message I find it very troublig indeed. Most especially when they attribute bad motives and dispositions to those who do not believe. My father and others in my family did notfor years believe me. I always thought they were perfctly entitled to do so. It was good when they changed, but if they had never changed ..well that would have been just fine too.

Ther is a story in the Gospel which illustrates this perfectly if you recall, regarding Jesus and his home town Nazareth.



Luke 4:

Jesus Rejected at Nazareth
14 Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside. 15 He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.

16 He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:

18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”[f]

20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

22 All spoke well of him and were amazed at the gracious words that came from his lips. “Isn’t this Joseph’s son?” they asked.

23 Jesus said to them, “Surely you will quote this proverb to me: ‘Physician, heal yourself!’ And you will tell me, ‘Do here in your hometown what we have heard that you did in Capernaum.’”

24 “Truly I tell you,” he continued, “no prophet is accepted in his hometown. 25 I assure you that there were many widows in Israel in Elijah’s time, when the sky was shut for three and a half years and there was a severe famine throughout the land. 26 Yet Elijah was not sent to any of them, but to a widow in Zarephath in the region of Sidon. 27 And there were many in Israel with leprosy[g] in the time of Elisha the prophet, yet not one of them was cleansed—only Naaman the Syrian.”

28 All the people in the synagogue were furious when they heard this. 29 They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the cliff. 30 But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way.
Jesus Drives Out an Impure Spirit
31 Then he went down to Capernaum, a town in Galilee, and on the Sabbath he taught the people. 32 They were amazed at his teaching, because his words had authority.

33 In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, 34 “Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God!”

35 “Be quiet!” Jesus said sternly. “Come out of him!” Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him.

36 All the people were amazed and said to each other, “What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!” 37 And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.
Jesus Heals Many
38 Jesus left the synagogue and went to the home of Simon. Now Simon’s mother-in-law was suffering from a high fever, and they asked Jesus to help her. 39 So he bent over her and rebuked the fever, and it left her. She got up at once and began to wait on them.

40 At sunset, the people brought to Jesus all who had various kinds of sickness, and laying his hands on each one, he healed them. 41 Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Messiah.

42 At daybreak, Jesus went out to a solitary place. The people were looking for him and when they came to where he was, they tried to keep him from leaving them. 43 But he said, “I must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent.” 44 And he kept on preaching in the synagogues of Judea.

Now notice, Jesus does not stick around to argue the piece with his home town folks He simply moves along to another place. Also later when sending His disciples out to preach the Good News He tells them if a town does not accept them simply to leave, not to stick around to have a big row.

Matthew 10:14
If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.

'Visionaries' who defend themselves through their messages are not in the scriptural tradition in this, I believe, not in the tradition of the saints.

 

Padraig,

Good points!

Safe in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary!

 

Padraig,
Thank you for the story details. I'm putting it togther by bits and pieces, but this gave a lot more of your history.

 

@ Sean: If you are a true advocate for seeking the truth - or validity in the same sense as St. Thomas - to ensure that there is no doubts - good for your! I do feel though you are being a little too assuming and bias to your ultimate opinion. What I mean is this - with regards to prayer, in what way are the messages restrained to NOT include your take on what is asked of us? When it is written that Jesus says - "all I ask of you children are your prayers..." - why does this exclude living a rich and committed life to serve our God?
May I suggest, the tone of the messages is to cover all children, from the non-believer yet the interested, soon to be convert - up to the life long believer who prayers every day and has given their life to suffer for the sins of the world through reparative prayer & actions. In this way, Jesus is really saying, make a life change - by increasing your activity of prayer & through this prayer you will be guided to do what is being asked of you. If one of previously little faith, if they pray, they may become a great advocate for Adoration.. or a great exponent of some charitable arm. A religious who devout's their life to silent prayer may also get the inclination to take their prayer to lead groups of the followers in Adoration - to heighten their own relationship with God and the relationship lay people have with Jesus. The nature of Prayer & it's definition is such a wide term, I don't think it is fair to dismiss the term because it hasn't been proscribed for all to be the ultimate sacrifice and work load. Jesus is asking each one of He's children to have a personal dialogue with Him & during this process, that Soul will know what they are asked to do
Quickly regarding the referral to our Priests and Religious - yes we live in times that it has been prophecised that our 'shepherds' will lead the flock astray... Unfortunately the Church has also had to deal with infiltration of groups & individuals that have wanted to bring down the Church... this is a sad reality - which we will be seeing the fruits of this more and more in our immediate lifetime... Dinner time - must be off!

 

Hi, I'm new here and this is my first post. It seems that Bl.JPII according to Lucia was the Pope that she saw die in one of the visions. It seems that the Pope was spared from being killed through prayer etc. Wouldn't it also likely that those 'Leaders' deaths was put off through prayer - just a thought.

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