The Warning, Or Illumination Of Conscience

I have a serious problem with people predicting that God will punish the world on the 100th anniversary of the Fatima apparitions, despite Lucy having stated that Heaven was satisfied with the consecration carried out by Pope St. John Paul, and despite her confirming that he was the Pope of the third secret. That tells me that people are willing to believe Lucy up to a point, but don't believe her when she says something contrary to their expectations.

Albeit late, the consecration led to the fall of the Soviet Union. The legacy of the delayed consecration is that the errors were spread and we are seeing the consequences. We need to keep doing the Five Saturday devotions to bring about the full conversion of Russia. While Christianity has come out from the shadows in Russia, there are plenty of anti-Christian movements both inside and outside Russia who would stamp out their path to conversion and will use any means possible to achieve their aim, yet a fully converted Russia could be Christianity's lifeline in the future.

For all we know, God could reward the Church by bringing about a great conversion next year, or he could leave us to get on with our sinful ways. We need to be very careful that some of these prophets are not false prophets, however devout or well intentioned they are. The only thing we know for sure is that our personal armageddon could happen at any moment and we're in deep trouble if our souls are unprepared. The Bible gives us all the prophesy we need for our salvation.

That said, I like to read up on all the speculation. There's no harm in observing the signs of the times, although I take all the private revelations, locutions, etc. with a large grain of salt.

 

That tells me that people are willing to believe Lucy up to a point, but don't believe her when she says something contrary to their expectations.

For myself its more that I never heard Sr Lucia say it. After all , she only died in 2005.Couldnt we expect a little more than a bogus letter in 1989, considering the importance and controversy?
Considering that World Peace hinges on this Consecration ,is it too much to ask that a Pope Confirm directly that it has been accomplished and accepted?

 

To quote our Lord in GSWYL message: "Even a blind man can see there is no peace in the world". The result of the Fatima consecration was to bring peace, as per our Lady of Fatima. Well over 30 years now since the alleged "approved" consecration that was only written on a note by someone. Lucia said the consecration of Russia would "come late" and it will. But is hasn't been done yet as we can plainly see. Quite to the contrary we are now in WW3, as Pope Francis called it, and soon we will see global nuclear devastation. This is not what our Lady promised.

 

This is what people are putting all their hope in ...

He cited, as proof of this nonsense, a letter supposedly written by Sister Lucy. Except that he doesn’t give us a copy of the letter – neither its full text, nor a photo image of any part of it. Nor does he tell us to whom the letter was addressed. All he tells us is that in a “letter of 8 November 1989,” Sister Lucy “personally confirmed that this solemn and universal act of consecration corresponded to what Our Lady wished: ‘Yes it has been done just as Our Lady asked, on 25 March 1984.’”


A little thin perhaps?

 

Two things. It surely would not hold up in a court of law. Secondly, no Pope, not one has said as much. Even St. JPII did not believe that he fulfilled the consecration as both Lucia and our Lady of Fatima had said it must be done. However, the 1984 consecration did make a big difference and delayed the chastisements for over 30 years now. It bought more time for God's mercy, before his justice comes and we have St. John Paul II to thank for that.

 

Yeah. I am greatful for the extra time.

 

Me too! I was not doing to good spiritually in 1984. I surely was not prepared spiritually or physically for what is coming.

 

Hi Fatima
Can you provide a source for St. JPII declaring the inadequacy of his 1984 consecration. Thanks.

 

The 1984 Consecration was valid and was accepted by Heaven. The Church has spoken with authority on that matter and Sister Lucia herself is on the record stating that it happened as requested.

The reason that many good Catholics buy into the Fatima conspiracy theories is because they incorrectly assume that because there is not a cessation of War and because Russia does not do what we like, that therefore the 1984 Consecration was invalid. This is fallacious reasoning that walks dangerously close to the heresy of Millenarianism: it assumes that by an "Era of Peace" Our Lady of Fatima was promising a cessation of all conflict, pain and suffering. But Our Lady never defined what she meant by "Peace." She could have been referring to spiritual peace, the Peace of Christ, which is not necessarily the cessation of all conflict, pain and suffering. Such a global, general, physical cessation of all conflict, pain and suffering will only come in Heaven. The simple fact of the matter is that we don't know what Our Lady of Fatima meant by "the Era of Peace" and the Church has not defined its meaning.

 

The reason why we dont buy into it is because Pope John Paul II admitted it wasnt done. Why have you not accepted his own words rcorded and reported at the time?
That is on top of all the other arguements like maybe mentiong 'Russia' would have helped.

 

Where is Pope John Paul II on record stating that the 1984 Consecration was not done? This is news to me.

 

Two years later, this evasive approach was taken again when the Holy Father once more consecrated the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in a ceremony before 250,000 people in Rome in March of 1984. But this time, the Pope made his position clearer. In a departure from his prepared text, he asked Our Lady of Fatima to "enlighten especially the peoples of which You Yourself are awaiting our consecration and confiding." The Pope thus publicly acknowledged that the consecration requested by Our Lady had still not been performed. These words were included in an official report of the event in L’Osservatore Romano on March 26, 1984. A similar report appeared the next day in the Italian bishops’ newspaperAvvenire, describing the Pope praying in St. Peter’s several hours after the consecration ceremony, asking Our Lady to bless "those peoples for whom You Yourself are awaiting our act of consecration and entrusting."

 

I was sure Sr Lucia said it had been accepted but not that she said it had been done as requested. As far as I can see these two comments from Fatima and Richard are unsubstantiated. I do not want a debate. Just hoping for a source which clearly states these words, not an interpretation of JPII or Sr Lucia.
Did Sr Lucia say it was done as requested? Were these her words?
Did JPII really say it had not been done as requested?
One would contradict the other.

 

Where is the Pope on record stating it is done?

 

This issue of the 1984 Consecration is a closed matter as far as the Church is concerned.

As for Sister Lucia's remarks on the matter:

During meetings with visiting cardinals in 1992 and 1993 Sister Lucia dos Santos, lone surviving visionary of the famous Fatima revelations, made several remarks that have not been widely reported but that should have caused huge headlines in Catholic movements.

They were not meant to be dramatic pronouncements but have deep implications for those who have followed the events of 1917, when the Virgin Mary appeared to Lucia and her two cousins, Jacinta and Francisco Marto, about ninety miles north of Lisbon.

Now in her nineties and cloistered at a convent in Coimbra, Sister Lucia told an audience headed by Cardinal Antony Padiyara of Ernaculam, India, on October 11, 1992, and another exactly a year later, lead by Cardinal Ricardo Vidal of the Philippines on October 11, 1992, that a consecration conducted of the world and implicitly Russia by John Paul II had been accepted by heaven as fulfillment of a request by the Virgin that Russia be consecrated to her Immaculate Heart to prevent it from spreading its errors around the world.

The issue has long been contentious among Marian groups in the United States and elsewhere, but Sister Lucia seemed clear on the matter during the talk with Cardinal Padiyara as well as a Fatima historian named Carlos Evaristo, who recorded the encounters.

"When I return home to my diocese, people will ask me many things," said the cardinal, "among which will be if the consecration of Russia has already been done according to the request made by Our Lady. Was this accomplished by Pope John Paul II on March 25 of 1984?"

"Yes, yes, yes," reponded Sister Lucia in a low affirmative voice, as if anticipating the question. "The consecration was already partially done. Pope Pius XII made it in 1942, on October 31, but it lacked the union with all the bishops of the world, which ope John Paul II finally managed to unite in 1984."

When asked about those bishops who didn't participate -- long an objection of those who assert that the consecration was not accomplished -- Sister Lucia said only, "We cannot say that these bishops that did not participate committed a sin or a fault. The majority of the bishops were united to the Pope in this act. The people, worldwide, in every diocese, were united to the bishops and the bishops in turn to the Pope. So, this consecration was a great union of the people of God. It was all of this that made this consecration accepted."

"But did not Russia have to be specifically mentioned, and did not Our lady say that?" asked Evaristo.

"The Pope's intention was Russia, when he said, `Those peoples...' in the text of the 1984 consecration. Those who knew of the request for the consecration of Russia, knew what he was referring to as did God Who is all-knowledgeable and can read the minds of men. God knew that the Pope's intention was Russia and that he meant `Russia' in the consecration. What is important is the intention, like when a priest has the intention to consecrate a host."

"But didn't Our Lady want Russia to be specifically mentioned?" persisted Evaristo, who works from St. Anne's oratory in Fatima and who recorded the conversations verbatim in a pamphlet, "Two Hours With Sister Luia."

"Our Lady never requested that Russia be specifically mentioned by name," said Sister Lucia. "At the time I didn't even know what Russia was. We thought she was a very wicked woman. What matters is the Pope's intention and the bishops knew the intention the Pope had was to consecrate Russia."

"In that case, there is no need to consecrate Russia again?" a bishop who was also present, Francis Michaelappa of Mysore, India.

"There is no need to consecrate Russia again, but each bishop can consecrate his own diocese to the Immaculate Heart of Mary if he wants to," said Sister Lucia, sounding very lucid despite her age.

"Our Lady is content and has accepted it?"

"Yes," said Lucia, ending a controversy that has raged for decades and as I have mentioned in previous aticles, adding in her 1993 interview with a contingent from the Philippines that the consecration "prevented an atomic war that would have occurred in 1985."

"Has the conversion of Russia then taken place?" she was asked by Evaristo.

"Yes," said Sister Lucia. "The news speaks for itself. http://www.spiritdaily.net/hidden1.htm

 

Come on Richard . If you cant do better than Evaristo let it go.

 

Pope John Paul II performed it. It is a matter of the public record. You can't be serious.

I can't believe what I'm hearing here: first it was that the Consecration was not accepted. Now it is that Pope John Paul II didn't even perform it in the first place.

 

If the source I cited is wrong, please let me know where the error was made.

 

I guess EWTN and Father Fox are also in on the conspiracy:


Letter 2: To Fr. Robert Fox

J.+ M.

Pax Christi

Rev . do Sr. P. Robert J. Fox

Recebi a sua carta e venho responder á sua pergunta: "Se a Consagração feita por João Paulo II, em 25 de Março de 1984, em união com todos os Bispos do mundo, cumpriu as codições para a coversão da Russia, segundo o pedido de Nossa Senhora em Tuy a 13 de Junho de 1929."? Sim, cumpriu, e desde aí, eu tenho dito que está feita.

E digo que não é nenhuma outra pessoa que responde por mim, sou eu quem recebe a correspondência, abre as cartas e responde.

Em união de orações

Coimbra, 3-VII-l99O

Irmã Lúcia

(signature)



TRANSLATION:

J.+ M.

The Peace of Christ



Rev. Father Robert J. Fox

I come to answer your question, "If the consecration made by Pope John Paul II on March 25, 1984 in union with all the bishops of the world, accomplished the conditions for the consecration of Russia according to the request of Our Lady in Tuy on June 13 of 1929?" Yes, it was accomplished, and since then I have said that it was made.

And I say that no other person responds for me, it is I who receive and open all letters and respond to them.

Coimbra, 3 July 1990

Sister Lucia

https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/Fatima1984.htm

 

Evaristo was accused of lies by the official translator.

Back in 1992-93, an obscure layman by the name of Carlos Evaristo somehow gained unfettered access to Sister Lucy, the last surviving visionary of Fatima, even though the rest of the world required permission from the Vatican to see her. The result of this mysterious access was the publication of two purported interviews of the seer — an unheard of liberty extended to no one else. Evaristo's account of the first interview was repudiated by the official translator in attendance, Father Francisco Pacheco (a lawyer as well as a priest), who declared:

I was the official translator of this meeting, which lasted two hours. I categorically affirm that the booklet entitled Two Hours with Sister Lucy published by Carlos Evaristo contains lies and half-truths and is not to be believed. When I was first shown a copy in January 1993, I immediately contacted Carlos Evaristo and I personally told him not to publish this booklet because of the gross lies that he had put in it ... I trust that this will end the confusion caused by Carlos Evaristo and his notorious pamphlet. [Letter of Father Francisco Pacheco, O.C.C. Postal, 60.033-790-Fort-CE-Brazil, published in The Fatima Crusader magazine, Issue No. 46, January 1994, p. 15].