The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. border collie

    border collie Archangels

    I never noticed the stigmata. I still have his email address if anyone wants to contact him. Send me a DM.
    He would be 80 years old now and is no doubt still keeping busy. I'm happy to see him looking so well in that video in spite of his serious message.
     
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  2. AED

    AED Powers

    Oops. Thats a red flag.
     
  3. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes.
     
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  4. Heidi

    Heidi Powers

    I do hope I misunderstood him. I am going to look for the video now. Perhaps someone can watch and say what they think he meant?
     
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  5. Heidi

    Heidi Powers



    I think this is the one
     
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  6. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    Hmm. There are many confused people in the comments. I watched the video and I believe he means well... but what he is saying is so vague that it's hard to make sense of it. He wants everyone to come to Jesus...all man-made religions will be destroyed...which, yes, I hope so, but it seems like he's including the Catholic Faith in that? That the Catholic Faith is just one of many man-made religions? And that in this time we don't need religion, just to come to Christ and worship in spirit and truth? That doesn't sound right.

    Two other things are strange to me. He talks endlessly about the phoenix as the bird that feeds its babies from its own heart, but that is actually the pelican. It's an honest mistake, but...takes away from his credibility and sense that this priest is being led by the Holy Spirit.

    The other strange thing to me is that he makes constant gestures with his hands while speaking that seem quite obviously like he is trying to show people his stigmata. It is very overt. I can't help comparing this to the humility of Padre Pio, who begged God to hide his stigmata and never tried to draw attention to it.

    I want to think well of this priest. Perhaps it's just difficult for me to understand the charismatic style... He is full of zeal, and Border Collie says he's healed people...and he is a priest, after all. His culture is different, his personality is exuberant...He's just different than what I'm used to seeing in the people I sense great holiness in.

    But the first thing...making it seem like religion doesn't matter...that is truly concerning, unless I'm misunderstanding him.
     
  7. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Yes this is Religious Indifferentism, a heresy. So sad a priest too. I imagine this false teaching will be more popular somewhere like India, rather than the West.

    Hopefully not to many people are taken in. Poor India.

    Sad, sad, sad. May God forgive him.

    https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07759a.htm
     
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  8. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I hope, 'Mother and Refuge of the End Times', stops platforming him.
     
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  9. border collie

    border collie Archangels

    I have not had time to watch the video yet but could it be AI? Just a thought.
     
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  10. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Always a thought to be borne in mind, these days. St Thomas felt it necessary to stick his hand in Our Lord’s side, in order to be certain of the Resurrection. And that was with One Whose words he had heard and Whose works he had witnessed. Wouldn’t we be the right fools to accept everything on the internet now at face value? In fact, just about every narrative without the Gospel seems dodgy, these days. We even have to watch out for those pedalling an anti-Gospel in the guise of the Gospel. There are some who would have us believe that there is conflict between the Holy Spirit (with Whom they claim to have special access) and Jesus. These people are systematically moving to tell us that sodomy’s fine and dandy (as they underhandedly have also proclaimed about adultery). So much for Divine Unity. These people are worshipping on Mount Olympus (nothing new under the sun).
     
  11. AED

    AED Powers

    You have offered an excellent analysis here point by point. He is very charismatic. He believes Catholics who are not are just going through the motions. And too few priests to guide them. You are right about cultural differences. Indian and African priests are exuberant somewhat and often part of the charismatic movement. I have seen this on retreat with an Indian priest quite a few years ago. The Lord was certainly there. No doubt in my mind. But it was a very different way of expressing worship.
    The religious indiffrentism is troubling. There are so many good priests on the internet now there is no need to listen to this one. His vision however somewhat reminds me of my very holy friend's vision over 20 years ago. I think we know even without visions that the current Church hierarchy/Vatican are in for a dire reckoning. We must pray pray pray. ( i am talking to myself here))--I must pray pray pray pray)
     
  12. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Very good point.

    With God it’s not one size fits all.

    During the extraordinary events at Kibeho the girls danced for joy. They were filled with love for Jesus and Mary. God certainly was there.

    Check out this short video on kibeho made 18 years ago.

     
  13. Heidi

    Heidi Powers

    Thank you, PurpleFlower. I was thinking the same thing about the hand motions. I also thought it sounded like he was including Catholicism in the man-made religion category. I will stay away.

    I’ve watched several videos from Mother and Refuge of the End Times, and the hosts seem sincere but I’m wondering how much they look into what the are posting?
     
  14. AED

    AED Powers

    They seem unfiltered to me. Some very good guests but they seem to include any and all " mystics--we are in very treacherous times spiritually. It requires patient discernment.
     
  15. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I never even thought of that. :eek:

    I give up.
     
  16. AED

    AED Powers

    Hmmmm. Good point.
     
  17. Before I read any prophecy not approved by the Church, I always say the St Michael prayer. I actually have been avoiding videos and stories of prophecy because I really don't need anyone to tell me anything because we are living it right now. It's pretty obvious to people who aren't caught in the delusion. Hands on my Rosary!
     
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  18. AED

    AED Powers

    Such a good approach.
     
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  19. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    I really don't think it's AI in this case, but who really knows anything these days.
     

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