The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Benedict XV, Pius XII, and John XXIII all seem to have been Modernists to varying degrees. As for Paul VI, may God help us all.

    Father Hunwicke, in his blog, has often had a dig at Pius XII. This seems to vindicate him.

    The article is an excerpt from the enormous book "The Rite of Sodomy", a study of the corruption of the Catholic Church by the 'Homosexual Collective', written by Randy Engle. I downloaded it tonight, for free, from the Internet Archive and now have it on my Kindle. It seems to explain a lot.
     
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  2. Clare A

    Clare A Powers

    That article is horrific. I read it all and then wished I hadn’t. It seems, if these revelations are true, that Montini knew a great deal firsthand about the smoke of Satan.
     
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  3. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Best to know your enemy.

    Also notable is that John Paul I was allegedly also a member of the Modernist cabal. Following the unprecedented damage done to the Church during the pontificate of Pope Paul VI (whatever about the truth or otherwise of these allegations, the damage is an undeniable fact), another modernist pope might have been a complete catastrophe. Perhaps God intervened, ensuring the election of Karol Wojtyla, who steadied the ship?

    These writings by Randy Engel do not represent proof. In a culture of secrecy, definitive proof is rarely accessible. She herself admits this and has gathered an enormous amount of what she describes as mostly circumstantial evidence, supported by a huge series of references. The weight of this circumstantial evidence combined with what we all can see that has happened publicly in the Church since the mid-sixties seems quite reasonably convincing, but we may not know the full truth until Judgement Day.

    To believe in Pope Paul's innocence requires one to accept that he was some kind of Forrest Gump who blithely sailed through life with disaster and catastrophe occurring all round him, but which had absolutely nothing to do with him. His collusion seems a lot more plausible.
     
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  4. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Bizarre.

     
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  5. Sam

    Sam Powers




    Bizarre, disgusting, and again to an empty audience! At the disgusting Dodgers event the huge stadium was practically empty. People are fed up!
     
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  7. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    Card. Pacelli: According to Fatima, it is Suicidal
    for the Church to Change her Faith and Liturgy

    In 1933 when Card. Eugenio Pacelli, the future Pius XII, was Secretary of State of Pope Pius XI, he met his friend Count Enrico Galeazzi, who became one of his close assistants.

    Once Count Galeazzi went to visit Card. Pacelli to discuss the details of the Count's next visit to America. On that occasion, the future Pius XII spoke strong words against the progressivist and communist infiltration in the Church with regard to the Fatima message.

    Certainly these words have a great interest in our days, both because they shed light on the Third Secret of Fatima, and because they reveal that the conciliar Popes are fulfilling the same agenda as those enemies of the Church.

    At right is the cover of the book Pius XII before History. At right below, photocopies of the French text. Below, we present our translation of the lines highlighted in yellow.

    Suppose, dear friend, that Communism is the most visible among the organs of subversion against the Church and the tradition of Divine Revelation. Thus, we will witness the invasion of everything that is spiritual: philosophy, science, law, teaching, the arts, the media, literature, theater, and religion.

    I am concerned about the confidences of the Virgin to the little Lucia of Fatima. The persistence of the Good Lady in face of the danger that threatens the Church is a divine warning against the suicide that the modification of the Faith, liturgy, theology, and soul of the Church would represent.

    I hear around me partisans of novelties who want to demolish the Holy Sanctuary, destroy the universal flame of the Church, reject her adornments, and make her remorseful for her historical past. Well, my dear friend, I am convinced that the Church of Peter must affirm her past, or else she will dig her own tomb.

    I will fight this battle with the greatest energy both inside and outside the Church, even if the forces of evil may one day take advantage of my person, actions, or writings, as they try today to deform the History of the Church.


    (Georges Roche & Philippe Saint Germain, Pie XII devant l'Histoire, Paris: Robert Lafont, 1972, p. 52-53). [​IMG]

    https://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_061_PiusXII_Fatima.htm
     
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  8. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    Now I'm confused; wasn't it Cardinal Pacelli who warned against the apostasy in the Church denounced in the Third Secret of Fatima?
     
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  9. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I think the website is responsible for the confusion. I would avoid it.
     
  10. Byron

    Byron Powers

    It was both. Even John Paul I mentioned it. Many Pope’s in the past have spoken against communism.
     
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  11. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Cardinal Burke is saying Mass in my local Latin Mass Church this morning. They are having tea and coffee in the basement afterwards. I am away camping so , sadly will miss him, it is not often you get to meet a saint. Bless him.

    I have kind of pulled the plug on Our Holy Father and the dreadful goings on. If I could do something practical to help I would, but I can't really think.

    So I have gone in prayer to Our Lady. This has been acgreat source of Peace. God and Our Blessed Mother are in charge, best to let them get on with it.

    One thing saddens me very, very deeply though and that is our Bishops.They know this is all totally evil for a fact and do nothing. Dreadful. May God forgive them.

    When the Communists took over China their Cardinal took the first plane he could get to Chicago. The Pope would take nothing to do with him for his cowardice, he pointed to his red robes and reminded him the red symbolised readiness to shed bl9dcfor the Faith.
     
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  12. padraig

    padraig Powers

    It is a big, big thing to preserve our inner peace in this present terrible storm. But it is Christ's Church , His Bride and He will preserve us.

    Let us wait in prayer in the home , in the Immaculate Heart of Mary and await her Triumph.
     
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  13. maryrose

    maryrose Powers

    Yes preserve our peace and pray pray pray. God will deal with all of this. Don't allow our focus to be on the evil deeds going on in the church we must raise our eyes to Jesus.
     
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  14. PurpleFlower

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    An apostolic visitation is coming for my bishop, Bishop Joseph Strickland. Please, please pray for him! He has really stuck his neck out for the Faith in the last couple years, especially this year, and I knew this would put a target on his back. He just got done leading the prayerful protest against the Dodgers' honoring of the "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence" in California, but I don't know if it's that, or if it's perhaps his social media comment a couple months ago about him rejecting Pope Francis' program of "undermining" the Faith that's triggered this apostolic visitation.

    The faithful Catholics in my diocese, many of whom moved out here specifically to be under the spiritual protection of this good bishop who walks the public square praying the rosary and leads acts of public reparation, are so worried. We must pray and put our trust in God! Please God, let Bishop Strickland receive his visitation with humility and in whatever way would please God, and let the result be according to God's Will.
     
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  15. Katfalls

    Katfalls Powers

    Not all clergy flee. We have many saints and martyrs who were and are loyal to their calling. I pray every day for our modern martyrs and especially for Bishop Alvarez in Nicaragua who is suffering a hell on earth right now. As Our Blessed Mother says, prayer is the most powerful weapon against evil.

    QUOTE="padraig, post: 421319, member: 2"]Cardinal Burke is saying Mass in my local Latin Mass Church this morning. They are having tea and coffee in the basement afterwards. I am away camping so , sadly will miss him, it is not often you get to meet a saint. Bless him.

    I have kind of pulled the plug on Our Holy Father and the dreadful goings on. If I could do something practical to help I would, but I can't really think.

    So I have gone in prayer to Our Lady. This has been acgreat source of Peace. God and Our Blessed Mother are in charge, best to let them get on with it.

    One thing saddens me very, very deeply though and that is our Bishops.They know this is all totally evil for a fact and do nothing. Dreadful. May God forgive them.

    When the Communists took over China their Cardinal took the first plane he could get to Chicago. The Pope would take nothing to do with him for his cowardice, he pointed to his red robes and reminded him the red symbolised readiness to shed bl9dcfor the Faith.[/QUOTE]
     
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  16. AED

    AED Powers

    He is a hero of the faith. I am sure he knows what forces will come at him. Yes I will pray.
     
  17. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Praying for our prelates
     
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  18. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    It's great and heartwarming to read this kind of material, because we're all wandering around in the dark. The Church is a broad one and, presumably, there are different kinds and degrees of modernism. It is most likely that certain degrees of modernism are compatible with the teaching of The Church. It seems fair to say that Pope Benedict was for some of his career a modernist, arguably his resignation could be included in that. The facts are also there that Pius XII made radical changes in the liturgy and was the first to patronise Bugnini. He also was a great supporter of Montini and was instrumental in advancing his career. However, Pius XII might have been well-intentioned in his actions, indeed even justified. After all, he didn't nuke the traditional liturgy as Pope Paul did, the only decisive act of the latter in his entire career.

    It's all a terrible confusion, but Pope Pius XII was obviously such a good pope that it's encouraging to read any material that supports this.

    The Day of Judgement is going to be so interesting and complicated that we might need a good portion of Eternity to get through It. There'll be a lot of shell-shock and fallen heroes. And a lot of unexpected saints.
     
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  19. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I mentioned above that John Paul I was in the 'radar' of Randy Engel in her investigation of modernism. I even conjectured that this might have been a Reason for his short career. I have reasonable trust in the integrity of Engel's journalism. This does not rule out the possibility she might have made mistakes; nor that Pope John Paul I's modernism might not have been of a very extreme degree; nor even that he rejected it at some point. His early death might just have been one of those humanly inexplicable typical events of life. However, I think we were very fortunate, regardless of this, that St John Paul II arrived on the scene.
     
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