Starting to come hot and heavy, events happening one after enough, like cars on a freight train whizzing past...if true, this will be another impetus for schism, it's like they're intentionally coming after anyone traditional: "It is, for the moment, still fragmentary news, coming from our multiple sources within the CEI [Italian Conference of Bishops] and bishops, but it seems that yesterday (May 24, 2021) the Pope, addressing the Italian bishops at the opening of the annual assembly of the CEI ( and in a subsequent meeting with a group of them), announced the imminent reform for the worse of the Motu proprio Summorum Pontificum." https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2021/05/urgent-pope-tells-italian-bishops-he.html
More specific reporting on the matter. If he does this, it’s an atomic bomb for the trads, please pray he does not follow through with this: https://libertyjournal.org/2021/05/...le-summorum-pontificum-latin-mass-permission/
Gee, FP, we are discussing the issue of obedience over in the thread about Fr. Altman. How will the Trads react to such a reversal. I'm sure we'll be hearing from Marshall Taylor tomorrow. If Pope Francis makes this choice, it will be a very, very sad day indeed. Praying!
Yes, what a purifying test for the trads this would be. I am very fond of the Latin Mass myself and attend it exclusively, so I would certainly be sad. But our beloved Jesus is there on the altar offering Himself for us at every Mass, Novus Ordo or TLM. I pray this doesn't happen, but even more so, I pray that if it does, TLM-goers will be a beautiful witness of holy obedience and great love for Christ. Please God, don't let there be further splintering of Your hurting Church.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/intern...vatican-diary/pope-francis-or-john-xxiv/14393 the Pope's phrase seems to point to a progressive successor
Will Cardinal Marx’s Resignation Boost His Influence Beyond Germany? ANALYSIS: If the resignation is accepted by Pope Francis, there is still much the German cardinal could do within the Vatican and the universal Church with the power he will still wield. Cardinal Reinhard Marx of Germany in St. Peter's Square on October 27, 2017. (photo: Daniel Ibanez/CNA / EWTN) Edward Pentin WorldJune 8, 2021 VATICAN CITY — Cardinal Reinhard Marx’s surprise letter of resignation as archbishop of Munich and Freising last week appeared aimed at precipitating — to borrow the words of the World Economic Forum — a “great reset” of the German Church regarding its handling of clerical sex abuse. But the move has potentially more far-reaching consequences than it seems, extending to both the Vatican and the universal Church, and with the much-disputed German Synodal Path serving as a determining factor. In his May 21 resignation letter to Pope Francis, Cardinal Marx, who came under scrutiny for his handling of abuse cases earlier this year, said that investigations and reports of abuse over the past decade had shown “institutional or ‘systemic’ failure.” The Church, he added, had reached a “dead end,” but also a moment that could become a “turning point.” He wrote of the need for a “renewed form of the Church” and a “new beginning” — all of which were contingent not only on his resignation but also on the continuation of the Synodal Path that grew out of the crisis and which he helped to create. “I have strongly supported the project,” Cardinal Marx wrote, adding almost with an air of desperation: “This path must be continued!” Coming ahead of the publication of a report on sexual abuse in the Munich and Freising archdiocese this summer, the cardinal used most of his letter to underline the need to reform the Church’s handling of sexual abuse cases and to prevent such crimes in the future. And yet this “queen’s sacrifice” chess-like move is only partial: Cardinal Marx has neither asked to surrender his red hat, nor his other significant responsibilities that are largely Rome-based. “I like being a priest and bishop and hope that I can continue to work for the Church in the future,” he wrote. If the Pope accepts his resignation as archbishop, the former president of the German bishops’ conference will likely be able to devote more of his time and energy to these Vatican duties that include being a member of both the Council of Cardinals advising the Pope on curial and Church reform, and the Council for the Economy that oversees Holy See finances. As a member of the Council of Cardinals, he has spent the past eight years helping to draft Praedicate Evangelium (Preach the Gospel), the new apostolic constitution for the Roman Curia. The document’s publication is imminent, possibly coming at the end of this month, and Cardinal Marx would be in an ideal position to oversee its implementation. His resignation would also leave him free to be tapped for one of several leadership positions in the Roman Curia that will fall vacant in the coming months. The Congregation for Clergy and Congregation for Bishops are two of the most likely to soon need new prefects. If chosen for a Vatican position, Cardinal Marx, at 67, could potentially spend the next eight to 13 years expanding his influence in Rome. Cardinal Marx’s authority also extends beyond Germany and the Vatican. He has the support of like-minded bishops in other parts of the world, including the United States, and in Europe from 2012 to 2018 he gained considerable influence as president of COMECE — the commission of bishops’ conferences of the European Community. In the words of one Church source in Germany, Cardinal Marx continues to “have the power of 30 to 40 cardinals.” The consolidating of such influence would put the cardinal in a commanding position not only to help lobby the Pope and Vatican officials to support his and others’ plans for the Synodal Path, but also apply those reforms to the Vatican’s upcoming two-year synod on synodality — “For a synodal Church: communion, participation and mission.” The “German agenda” of reform, one that critics say could slide into schism, has not gone as smoothly as Cardinal Marx and others might have hoped. Their plans, for example, to allow the blessings of same-sex unions, the ordination of women, and the ending of clerical celibacy have remained unfulfilled or definitively ruled out. “Cardinal Marx can see the project speeding into a brick wall,” a Church source in Germany told the Register. Hence, it seems, the urgency and unprecedented nature of this resignation letter — one that, unlike other episcopal resignation missives, was not kept private but published with the Pope’s permission, translated into several languages and given widespread publicity. Another key aspect to the cardinal’s move could relate to fellow German bishop Cardinal Rainer Woelki. As the most prominent critic of the Synodal Path, Cardinal Woelki, the archbishop of Cologne, continues to oppose the project, and has faced concerted media and episcopal opposition as a result. Cardinal Marx’s offer of resignation thus immediately upped the pressure on Cardinal Woelki, whose archdiocese is undergoing an apostolic visitation at the orders of Pope Francis, to follow suit, with media reports in Germany and Italy pointing to the possibility, even though he was recently cleared of wrongdoing in handling abuse cases in Cologne. To remove him from the picture would also serve to neutralize other less prominent opponents, such as Bishop Rudolf Voderholzer of Regensburg and Bishop Stefan Oster of Passau. Cardinal Woelki promptly rejected submitting his resignation, pledging that his diocese would “live up to Jesus’ mission to protect the weak and prevent abuse.” Whatever the eventual consequences turn out to be for Cardinal Marx’s sudden request to renounce his episcopal duties in Germany, more appears to be at stake than the situation of clerical sexual abuse in the country. For the cardinal, his supporters, and their plans to change the Church, it seems to be another crisis they cannot afford to let go to waste. https://www.ncregister.com/news/will-cardinal-marx-s-resignation-boost-his-influence-beyond-germany
When the proverbial 'hits the fan' and there are calls for heads to roll, Marx can point out that he offered his resignation and the Pope declined to accept it and he can continue his relentless attack on Church teachings. All orchestrated by Marx and his friends in Germany and the Vatican (including one very important one in the latter place).
POPE FRANCIS DECLINES CARDINAL MARX’S RESIGNATION Catholic News Agency / June 10, 2021 / 49 By CNA Staff Vatican City, Jun 10, 2021 / 05:40 am Pope Francis declined on Thursday the resignation of Cardinal Reinhard Marx, offered to him last month. In a June 10 letter, the pope asked the influential German cardinal to continue as archbishop of Munich and Freising. Writing in Spanish, Francis told Marx: “If you are tempted to think that, by confirming your mission and not accepting your resignation, this Bishop of Rome (your brother who loves you) does not understand you, think of what Peter felt before the Lord when, in his own way, he presented him with his resignation: ‘Depart from me, for I am a sinner,’ and listen to the answer: ‘Shepherd my sheep.’” The 67-year-old cardinal is a member of the pope’s Council of Cardinals and the coordinator of the Vatican Council for the Economy. Until last year, he served as the chairman of the German bishops’ conference. Marx sent a letter to Pope Francis May 21 outlining his reasons for seeking to resign from office. The archdiocese of Munich and Freising published the cardinal’s letter to the pope and personal declaration on June 4 in German, English, and Italian. Marx wrote: “Without doubt, these are times of crisis for the Church in Germany. There are, of course, many reasons for this situation — also beyond Germany in the whole world — and I believe it is not necessary to state them in detail here.” “However, this crisis has also been caused by our own failure, by our own guilt. This has become clearer and clearer to me looking at the Catholic Church as a whole, not only today but also in the past decades,” he continued. “In essence, it is important to me to share the responsibility for the catastrophe of the sexual abuse by Church officials over the past decades.” In his response June 10, Pope Francis thanked Marx for his Christian courage, which he said is not afraid of the cross or to be humbled before the reality of sin. He also said he liked the way that the archbishop had ended his letter. Marx wrote that he would “gladly continue to be a priest and bishop of this Church” and that he would like to dedicate his next years of service “in a more intense way to pastoral care and to commit myself to a spiritual renewal of the Church.” “And this is my answer, dear brother,” the pope said in his letter. “Continue as you propose, but as archbishop of Munich and Freising.” Noting Marx’s reference to the crisis of the Church in Germany, Francis said that “the whole Church is in crisis because of the abuse issue” and the only fruitful path is “to assume the crisis, personally and communally.” “Therefore, in my opinion, every bishop of the Church must assume it and ask himself, ‘What should I do in the face of this catastrophe?’” he said. The pope added that the “mea culpa” the Church has offered in the face of past failures must be taken up again today. “We are asked for a reform, which — in this case — does not consist in words but in attitudes that have the courage to put themselves in crisis, to assume the reality whatever the consequences may be. And every reform begins with oneself,” he said. Pope Francis suggested there was an urgent need to “air out” the Church from the reality of abuse and how it has been handled. “Let the Spirit lead us to the desert of desolation, to the cross, and to the resurrection,” he said. “It is the path of the Spirit that we must follow, and the starting point is humble confession: we have made a mistake, we have sinned.” He said: “We will not be saved by the prestige of our Church, which tends to conceal its sins; we will not be saved by the power of money or the opinion of the media (so often we are too dependent on them). We will be saved by opening the door to the Only One who can do it and confessing our nakedness: ‘I have sinned,’ ‘we have sinned’… and weeping, and stammering as best we can that ‘depart from me, for I am a sinner,’ a legacy that the first pope left to the popes and bishops of the Church.” In his letter to the pope, Marx, who has served as archbishop of Munich and Freising since 2007, had said that he hoped his resignation would “send a personal signal for a new beginning, for a new awakening of the Church, not only in Germany.” In April, Marx asked German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier not to bestow the Federal Cross of Merit on him after an outcry among advocates for abuse survivors over the award. He had been scheduled to receive the Bundesverdienstkreuz, Germany’s only federal decoration, at the Bellevue Palace in Berlin on April 30. Marx said that he did not want to draw negative attention to other award recipients. In February 2020, he notified German bishops that he would not stand to be elected to a second term as chairman of the German bishops’ conference. He was succeeded in the post by Bishop Georg Bätzing of Limburg. https://www.thecatholictelegraph.com/pope-francis-declines-cardinal-marxs-resignation/75540
Reading the contents of the above post, if I was now aware of the chaos going on in the Roman Catholic Church in Germany, not to mention the Vatican; it would make you think these are two very humble, holy men exchanging sentiments. They must have meant well...incredible, and confusing.
Explosive Film Reignites ‘Two Popes’ Debate Italian documentary links Pope Francis to Masonic 'St. Gallen Mafia' ROME (ChurchMilitant.com) - The Holy See Press Office conspired to coordinate mistranslations of Benedict's Latin Declaratio, the declaration of his resignation, an explosive Italian documentary is alleging. https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/explosive-film-reignites-two-popes-debate
There are a few Vatican stories in the past two days concerning Biden, I'm looking for another story as well and if I find it, I will add another posting. US bishops set collision course with Vatican over plan to press Biden not to take Communion (yahoo.com) US bishops set collision course with Vatican over plan to press Biden not to take Communion Steven P. Millies, Associate Professor of Public Theology and Director of The Bernardin Center, Catholic Theological Union Tue, June 15, 2021, 3:01 PM A rift between conservative American bishops and the Vatican could be laid bare on June 16 as the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops meets amid talk of a growing divide in the church over Pope Francis’ leadership. During the virtual event, U.S. bishops are expected to approve a motion to begin drafting a document on “Eucharistic coherence” that would exclude Catholic political figures who support abortion rights from receiving Communion. If they do proceed, the bishops will have opened a breach with Pope Francis and the Vatican, which has all but instructed the bishops not to go ahead with the motion. Continued at link.
At the same time, the Vatican refused a Mass which Biden was going to attend. Update: Vatican Refused June 15 Meeting, Morning Mass No Longer on the Agenda The President's entourage had originally requested for President Biden to attend Mass with the Pope early in the morning, but the proposal was nixed by the Vatican VATICAN CITY — President Joe Biden's attendance at early morning Mass with Pope Francis has been nixed from an early plan of the June 15 meeting of both leaders, a reliable Vatican source told CNA. President Biden, who is in Europe for several high level meetings, had taken the morning of June 15 off to meet Pope Francis as President of the United States for the first time. The President's entourage had originally requested for Biden to attend Mass with the Pope early in the morning, but the proposal was nixed by the Vatican after considering the impact that President Biden receiving Holy Communion from the Pope would have on the discussions the USCCB is planning to have during their meeting starting Wednesday, June 16. The U.S. bishops are slated to vote on creating a committee that would draft a document about Eucharistic coherence. More at link: Update: Vatican Refused June 15 Meeting, Morning Mass No Longer on the Agenda| National Catholic Register (ncregister.com)
VATICAN WORLD Vatican invokes sovereign status to protest anti-homophobia bill John L. Allen Jr. | Crux Now Jun 22, 2021 • 3 Min Read People march to protest the World Congress of Families, in Verona, Italy, Saturday, March 30, 2019. A congress in Italy under the auspices of a U.S. organization that defines family as strictly centering around a mother and father has made Verona — the city of Romeo and Juliet — the backdrop for a culture clash over family values, with a coalition of civic groups mobilizing against what they see as a counter-reform movement to limit LGBT and women's rights. (Antonio Calanni/AP via Crux) In an historic first, the Vatican has invoked its sovereign status under a 1929 treaty with Italy to protest a draft Italian law designed to combat homophobia, objecting that it could restrict the religious freedom guaranteed the church under that accord. The Vatican’s concerns were expressed in a nota verbale, meaning a formal diplomatic communique, presented by British Archbishop Paul Gallagher, the Vatican’s foreign minister, to the Italian Ambassador to Italy, Pietro Sebastiani, in mid-June. It’s not a personal letter by Gallagher, but rather a corporate statement by the Vatican’s Secretariat of State. The contents of the note were first reported by the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, and confirmed for Crux by a Vatican official informed on the matter. While the Lateran Pacts, which created the Vatican City State after the loss of the Papal States amid Italian unification in the 19th century, affords the Vatican the opportunity to assert its rights to the Italian government, this marks the first time the Vatican has utilized that provision to object to a draft piece of legislation before it’s adopted. Among other points, critics say the anti-homophobia measure currently under consideration by the Italian senate could require private Catholic schools to adjust curricula to adopt state-mandated lessons on tolerance and gender, and it could also criminalize some public expressions of Catholic teaching on sexuality and marriage. It’s not clear what the immediate implications of the Vatican protest may be, although the leader of Italy’s main center-left party, a major proponent of the bill, said Tuesday that while its “design” should be maintained, his party is ready for “dialogue” over the “legal issues.” Theoretically, should the proposal, known in Italy as the “Zan bill” for Alessandro Zan, an openly gay legislator who introduced it, be adopted without satisfying the Vatican’s concerns, the Lateran Pacts envision the creation of a joint commission between Italy and the Vatican to resolve the dispute. Though Pope Francis is known for a generally accepting stance toward gay and lesbian issues, the new Vatican protest appears consistent with his repeated objections to what he calls “gender theory,” seeing it as a leading case of what he’s described as “ideological colonization.” One recent expression of that view came in an interview book between the pontiff and an Italian priest released last year, in which the priest asked Francis where he sees evil at work today. “One place is ‘gender theory,’” the pope said, adding that he wasn’t talking about efforts to fight discrimination based on sexual orientation. Gender theory, Francis said, instead has a “dangerous” cultural aim of erasing all distinctions between men and women, which would “destroy at its roots” God’s plan for human beings: “Diversity, distinction. It would make everything homogenous, neutral. It is an attack on difference, on the creativity of God and on men and women.” In 2019, the Vatican’s Congregation for Catholic Education issued a document criticizing gender theory titled “Male and Female he Created Them,” including “calls for public recognition of the right to choose one’s gender, and of a plurality of new types of unions, in direct contradiction of the model of marriage as being between one man and one woman, which is portrayed as a vestige of patriarchal societies.” The Vatican’s diplomatic protest also builds on objections to the Zan bill expressed by the Italian bishops’ conference, CEI, last June and as recently as this past April, when Cardinal Gualtiero Bassetti, president of the conference, said that “a law intended to fight discrimination cannot, and must not, pursue that objective with intolerance.” Though polls vary, most show that somewhere between half and two-thirds of Italians say they support the Zan bill. It’s backed by the country’s current governing coalition but opposed by center-right parties, especially the populist Lega party led by former Deputy Prime Minister Matteo Salvini. The bill was approved by Italy’s lower chamber of parliament last November and is currently before the Justice Commission of the Italian Senate. According to a 1984 update of the 1929 Lateran Pacts, the Catholic Church in Italy is to be guaranteed “freedom of organization, of public exercise of worship, of the exercise of the magisterium and episcopal ministry,” as well as “full freedom for Catholics and their associations and organizations to meet and to manifest their thought in words, in writing and every other means of communication."
'Now of the lion one need have no fear, the leopard is a gentle creature, and even the snake you are terrified by is likely to turn in flight; but there is one thing you must beware of, I assure you. Bad Bishops. Don't be over-awed by the dignity of the throne. All have dignity, yes; but not all have the Grace. Discard the outer clothing; watch for the wolf.' St Gregory of Nazianus.
What is a Zombie Catholic? A Zombie Catholic is a Catholic whose Faith has died but still pretends to be a Catholic. Someone who just goes through the motions Like this gentleman:
Padraig, Ted Lieu is threatening the Catholic church in the USA. He said if they don't give Biden, Nancy Pelousi, and other pro-abortion politicians communion they will take away their tax exception! It is very crazy USA right now!
Take it away! If they hadn't been burdened by that infernal bargain they would have spoken out years ago. Abortion might never have become legal. That so called tax exemption has been a deal with the devil.
