The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. AED

    AED Powers

    :D:LOL:
     
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  2. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Yes, even in popular culture we see sings of madness. Films are a god example for instance the Jokers famous speech in , 'Batman'.
    Very often evil characters are shown to be.. well ...attractive. More attractive than the heroes who are in fact anti heroes.
     
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  3. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Take comfort that the Lib Dem appeal for the transexual vote didn't pay great dividends for them in the UK election. Their leader, who was very adamant about being considered a prospective prime minister, didn't even manage to keep her seat!
     
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  4. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Most films out of Hollywood nowadays, unless they're directed by Clint Eastwood or Mel Gibson, are completely nihilistic. Especially children's movies.
     
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  5. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Politics is such a mystery. I love it that people in politics care for the poor and marginalised. Yet the very people who seem to care most in politics about these things seem to be the very same ones who are off the chart in issues of Christian morals.

    So sad. Look at Social Work or Head Shrinkers for instance. So often good hearts and crazy, crazy moral compasses.

    Go figure.
     
  6. Adoremus

    Adoremus Powers

    It all boils down to false/misplaced mercy.
     
  7. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Christ summarised the Commandments with two: Love God with all your heart, soul, body and mind; and love your neighbour as yourself. The second goes completely off-kilter when the first is abandoned. You can't love anyone when you don't know what love is.
     
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  8. padraig

    padraig Powers

    What a wise post. It reminds me of GK Chesterton.
     
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  9. padraig

    padraig Powers

    So very,very sad.

    I notice with the nurses and Doctors in the hospital who care for the poor children with cancer what kind people they are. It is as though, to me, they were walking angels.

    Hospitals are just full of angels of all kinds, you can just hear the wings swishing by.
     
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    padraig Powers

  11. More in the same direction...

    Pope Calls Idea Of Declaring Mary Co-Redemtrix ‘Foolishisness’


    ROME - Pope Francis appeared to flatly reject proposals in some theological circles to add “co-redemptrix” to the list of titles of the Virgin Mary, saying the mother of Jesus never took anything that belonged to her son, and calling the invention of new titles and dogmas “foolishness.”

    “She never wanted for herself something that was of her son,” Francis said. “She never introduced herself as co-redemptrix. No. Disciple,” he said, meaning that Mary saw herself as a disciple of Jesus.

    Mary, the pope insisted, “never stole for herself anything that was of her son,” instead “serving him. Because she is mother. She gives life.”

    “When they come to us with the story of declaring her this or making that dogma, let’s not get lost in foolishness [in Spanish, tonteras],” he said.

    Francis’s words, delivered in Spanish, came while celebrating a Thursday evening Mass in Rome for the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe.

    The title of Mary as “co-redemptrix” dates to the Middle Ages, and the idea of declaring it as a church dogma was discussed, though not adopted, at the Second Vatican Council. In the 1990s American Catholic theologian Mark Miravalle launched a petition asking the pope to make such a declaration, and today the “co-redemptrix” devotion tends to be strongest among more conservative Catholics.

    What Francis said Thursday is in line with Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the Vatican’s doctrinal chief during most of St. John Paul II’ papacy, and now Pope emeritus Benedict XVI.

    Speaking with Peter Seewald for the book-length interview published as God and the World: A Conversation, the then cardinal said: “The formula ‘co-redemptrix’ departs to too great an extent from the language of Scripture and of the Fathers, and therefore gives rise to misunderstandings.”

    “Everything comes from Him [Christ], as the Letter to the Ephesians and the Letter to the Colossians, in particular, tell us; Mary, too, is everything she is through Him,” Ratzinger said. “The word ‘co-redemptrix’ would obscure this origin. A correct intention being expressed in the wrong way.”

    In his other remarks, Francis said the celebration held in St. Peter’s basilica, the passage of the Gospel read and the print of la Morenita that stood tall in front and to the side of the altar made him think of three adjectives for Mary: “woman-Lady-, mother and mestiza [mixed race].”

    “Mary introduces herself as a woman,” he said. “And she introduces herself with the message of someone else. Meaning, she’s woman and she’s disciple.”

    “Christian piety, throughout the ages, always sought to praise her with new titles,” Francis said. “They were filial titles,” that expressed “the love of the people of God, but they did not touch in any way her being a woman disciple.”

    (The word tocar in Spanish, which the pope used speaking off-the-cuff, means to touch, but in several contexts, including this one, also means to change.)

    St. Ignatius, Francis said, liked to call the Virgin “Our Lady.” According to the Argentine pontiff, “it is as simple as that. She doesn’t expect anything else. She’s woman, she’s disciple.”

    The pope also quoted St. Bernard who said that no praise is enough to talk about Mary, but that in the end, nothing is as representative of her “humble discipleship” more than “being faithful to her master, who is her son, the only redeemer.”

    Francis’s words came as he said Mass in Spanish for the thousands who had gathered in St. Peter’s Basilica to mark the feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe, patron of the Americas and the Philippines. This Mass is a tradition he began during the first year of his pontificate.

    The pontiff then moved on to the next adjective, that of “mother.” Mary is the mother of all peoples, “to us all,” of “our hearts, of our souls,” and also the mother of the Church. And she’s also a “figure in the Church.”

    “We cannot think about the Church without this Marian principle,” he said. “When we look for the role of the woman in the Church, we can go through the path of functionality, because the woman has functions to fulfill in the Church, but that leaves us halfway.”

    “Mary woman, Mary mother, without any other essential title,” Francis insisted. Even the litanies, recited at the end of the rosary, are titles given to her by her children who are in love with her and who sing to their mother, but in the end, they don’t change that “essence” of being “Mary, woman and mother.”

    The third adjective, the pope said, means Mary becoming “mestiza” to be the mother of everyone. “She became mestiza with humanity. Because she made God mestizo. And this is the great mystery: Mary makes God a mestizo, true God but also true man.”

    “Mary is woman, Our Lady; Mary is the mother of her Son and of the Holy hierarchical Church, woman of our peoples but who made God a mestizo.”

    https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2019/12/pope-calls-idea-of-declaring-mary-co-redemptrix-foolishness/
     
  12. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Yep , the bad news just keeps coming... (but I still have hope).

    Vatican Archbishop: those who say Judas is in hell are ‘heretics’ and priests may ‘accompany’ assisted suicides
    Diane Montagna | ROME, December 11, 2019 | https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/abp-paglia-on-judas

    Cardinal Ouellet: Pachamama statues ‘did not bother me,’ ‘exaggeration’ to speak of idolatry
    Martin M. Barillas | ROME, December 11, 2019 | https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c...t-bother-me-exaggeration-to-speak-of-idolatry

    ***

    I apologize that I am late with the following article but I think that it turned out pretty well. Others here probably know more than I do about this because I have been unplugged from the news a bit lately. Here's the latest https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50766688 .

    Dec. 12, 2019
    Prayers for England’s Conversion as the Country Goes to the Polls
    “Obtain for us, and for England thy Dowry, every grace and blessing, O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary!”
    Edward Pentin | http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/England

    ***

    DeGaulle, I keep meaning to answer this question that you asked of us about Pope Francis' recent statements on Chapter 8 of AL. The pope stated something in an interview that discernment must be in alignment with the Church's teachings on marriage in the past. I remember you wanting our opinion on his statement, so here is mine. I do believe that it is good that the pope stated this BUT this is more of the same thing that he continues to do. The pope won't put a lot of these good things in writing and he continues to allow his confusing statements to stand in writing.

    I do believe that the most serious of various examples of this is this one regarding AL and the fact that he made the Buenos Aires bishop's interpretation of AL (chapter 8) magisterial. He can say whatever he likes in an interview but he needs to put these statements in writing. I believe that he provided some encouragement to the German bishops by formally accepting the BA bishop's interpretation of AL/8. I realize that the pope has made some negative statements about the German bishop's synod but I still believe that he is somewhat responsible for what is occurring there.

    I will also provide two other examples of when Pope Francis should have formalized corrections of past statements/actions of his. I remember when Bishop Schneider asked him about the Abu Dubai brotherhood document. Pope Francis stated that he was referring to the passive will of God allowing other religions but yet the pope would not move forward with a formal correction to the document. Of course, the other example is actual multiple examples consisting of almost every time that he sits for an interview with his atheist friend Scalfari and Scalfari comes out with some horrid statement that he heard from the pope but yet Pope Francis never corrects him.

    We are in need more than bread crumbs and that is all the pope is giving us. I do believe that this is all part of our chastisement though.

    We need the Truth put in plain and simple terms. I realize that you and all members agree.

    PS - I also wondered if the pope might be having a bit of a change of heart because the German bishops appear to be going off the rails along with all of the other issues that have been brought to light recently (the Pachamas being thrown in the Tiber, for example) but I still would like to see Pope Francis be far more clear and to put these corrections that I have highlighted in writing. Otherwise, it just gets lost in translation - more or less.
     
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  13. WOW....it's happening fast!
     
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  16. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I find myself turning more and more ever inwards to the Lord in prayer. These things are so upsetting.

    To find shelter and peace under His wings.

    [​IMG]
     
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  17. padraig

    padraig Powers

    How Long, O Lord?

    To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David.
    13 How long, O Lord? Will you forget me forever?
    How long will you hide your face from me?
    2 How long must I take counsel in my soul
    and have sorrow in my heart all the day?
    How long shall my enemy be exalted over me?


    3 Consider and answer me, O Lord my God;
    light up my eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death,
    4 lest my enemy say, “I have prevailed over him,”
    lest my foes rejoice because I am shaken.


    5 But I have trusted in your steadfast love;
    my heart shall rejoice in your salvation.
    6 I will sing to the Lord,
    because he has dealt bountifully with me.

    [​IMG]
     
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  18. FIGURES. Green Teen Greta Thunberg’s Yacht Used More Fuel to Cross Atlantic than If She Flew from New York to Madrid


    Green teen and TIME Magazine Person of the Year Greta Thunberg just finished her trip from New York to Europe for the globalist climate conference.

    Thunberg and her team claimed it was a carbon neutral trip.


    But they lied. The ship likely used two engines to travel east at this time of year and burned up more fuel than a flight from New York to Spain.


    The reasons why Greta has contaminated more on board the catamaran than if it had traveled by plane
    ABC.es reported: (Translated)

    Anyone who knows some navigation knows that catamarans cannot sail against the wind and only do so if they are fed by carrying winds, that is, fin or stern . To cross the Atlantic at this time of year the prevailing winds are from the east, that is to say that the catamaran would be found in the bow.To save them, he should have headed north on a board that would put him far north of the British Isles so he could turn starboard (right) and head towards the coast of Galicia. November and December, as it has been shown, are two months of great swells in the North Atlantic, which together with the gulf currents is a great effort for fishing and oil tankers that are going to motor…

    …This navigation on this type of boat does not last three weeks, that surely does not. For the course that has marked the catamaran’s logbook this navigation was not done, but the north was avoided by the storms and the arrival in Galicia was rejected by changing it to Lisbon. This means that the Australian catamaran Riley Whitelum and Elayna Carausu is either extraterrestrial or has been sailing with its two engines.

    Volvo consuming more or less four liters of diesel per hour each of the engines, which with the bad conditions with which they say they found consumption may have been, more or less twice, that is about 16 liters of diesel time . How much have they spent? Check out. How much have they contaminated? Much more than if I had flown from New York to Madrid in a commercial plane.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...tic-than-if-she-flew-from-new-york-to-madrid/
     
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  19. DeGaulle

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    Carol, with respect to your post above in response to my comment about that 'clarification' of AL by Pope Francis, I must apologise because I was being a bit ironic with the whole issue. It would be wonderful if this is what he sincerely meant, but all he's doing is contradicting himself and confusing people. At this point, I am resigned to confusion and perhaps it is better than out-and-out direct and unambiguous heresy. Nevertheless, there are many being deceived by all this hedging on the truth. I think Judgement will come down much harder on the deceiver than on the deceived. It is becoming much more difficult for the sheep to know what sin is and isn't when so many of their shepherds are presenting them with so many false ideas, particularly if they haven't been taught the Faith in the first place. From the posts above, an unformed person might be easily conned into thinking that to heat their home might be sinful, while a priest being complicit in murdering another (which is what 'accompanying' a suicide actually amounts to ) is doing good.

    The madness of the progressives. They say there is a 'climate emergency', but continue moving millions from the warm South to the cold North, where much more coal and oil will have to be burned in order to keep them from dying of the cold in the winter. The transfer ensures increasing numbers of people living in the developed world and in the process possessing 'carbon footprints' multiple times larger than in their native lands. The whole ideology is illogical, a sure indicator that their motives are a front for something else entirely.
     
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  20. SgCatholic

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    We are duty-bound not to stand by while souls are being led to hell.
    We need to do whatever we can to prevent such a calamity.


    "Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it; and indeed to neglect
    to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them." -Pope St. Felix III



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