Pope Francis has a few more years in him. I don't believe that he will retire while Pope Benedict is alive. I also think that he will fast track the Beatification of Fr. Arrupe whose cause for canonisation was opened last February. Fr. Arrupe is an icon to many Jesuits. He may well have been a holy man but many people (including his admirers) believe that it was his leadership which transformed the Jesuit Order into what it has become. I read recently where Pope Francis referred to Fr. Arrupe as a prophet. https://www.jesuit.ie/news/pedro-arrupes-path-to-sainthood/ After reading some more about Cardinal Tagle, I think that he would be Pope Francis 11. Aged 62, Cardinal Tagle is already four years older than Pope John Paul 11 was when he was elected Pope. He's a full-on supporter of the gay agenda, married priests and Communion for the divorced and remarried. He could well be the choice for heir apparent. The last Bishop appointed by Pope Benedict, they can pass him off as a moderate. Name recognition matters even at a papal conclave and Pope Francis has appointed Cardinal Tagle to positions where he can do plenty of networking. I don't think that the modernist movement in the Church cares a whole lot about Catholics converting to Protestantism. Their idea of Catholicism is an NGO where belief in God is optional.
Yes, it seems to be all about temporal power and the issues of this world, rather than the Eternity in which it seems doubtful that they believe. It seems grim. However, I'm staying Catholic, no matter what they do in Rome. I'm praying that many others will do so and ride out these terrible times, however long they last. I'm hoping that the Bergoglianists went too far with recent events, such as the denial of Christ's Divinity and the idol worship. In particular, they erred with such a tacky idol as Pachamama. They don't seem to know their market as well as they thought-progressives consider themselves superior and sophisticated and are likely to recoil from primitivism. Most of these types consider devotion to Our Lady and the saints as out-dated superstition, Pachamama would have horrified many of them.
The official proclamation has to be from the hierarchy. But my belief is that the indwelling Holy Spirit in faithful Catholics guides us. The Holy Spirit is our Advocate. I have stated my conviction that Benedict XVI is still the true Pope, but I have to accept that others may not agree. This conviction makes it simple for me to continue believing in the Papacy that Christ mandated, beginning with St.Peter. The Vicar of Christ must surely truly represent Christ. Otherwise he cannot be called His Vicar. A supposed pope who: goes against the 1st Commandment, tells us not to 'proselytise' and thus goes against Christ's command that we make disciples of all nations and baptise them, propagates multiple heresies in an underhanded manner, refuses to kneel before Jesus but kisses the feet of pagans, honours abortionists and homosexuals, provokes schism and finds it an amusing matter, fails to respond to legitimate and respectful dubia, fraternal corrections, accusations etc. but hypocritically talks all the time about dialogue; demotes faithful Cardinals and Bishops (and causes a brave Abp to go into hiding for fear of his life), protects and promotes sexual predator clergy, cosies up to the secular world, receives praise from Freemasons, gets involved in politics (and condemns the 'good guys') and stuff about which he has no knowledge or authority, etc., etc., - I simply cannot believe that he is the Vicar of Christ. It goes against reason. Thus, I simply ignore all his 'teachings' because I cannot believe that the laity are supposed to sift through what he says to see if it is in accord with the Faith that has been handed down through the ages, or whether there is some poison in it. No, Christ surely did not intend this. And by quoting from Scripture about Jesus having prayed for St Peter, I meant to raise the point that I believe a true pope will not fail Christ so horribly and obstinately. +
We all agree that we are staying put in the Catholic Church. But I suspect that if a schism were to truly happen, we will struggle to know which way is the true way. Perhaps that is when we will have to go underground. +
Protestants think they have the Holy Spirit, too So did Martin Luther I’m just pointing out! Martin Luther had a list, too we can’t be hedging We have to accept the Pope Bad Pope or not The hierarchy has not told us otherwise
The key word is faithful. The Protestants picked and chose what they would believe. They rejected wholesale some Truths of our Faith when it didn't suit them. They thought they knew better than Tradition and the authentic Magisterium of the Church and chose to believe only in Scripture which they interpret according to their own whims and fancies. Luther included, of course. +
Here is Edward Pentin's article on this news. + Dec. 9, 2019 Cardinal Tagle’s Appointment Points to New Curia, China, Papacy The new head of the Congregation for the Evangelization of the Peoples has been archbishop of Manila since 2011 and president of Caritas Internationalis since 2015. Edward Pentin | http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edwa...-appointment-points-to-new-curia-china-papacy Cardinal Luis Antonio Gokim Tagle’s appointment on Sunday to head one of the oldest, largest and most prestigious Vatican dicasteries is a significant move that points to substantial curial reform and a growing emphasis on Asia, and positions the Filipino cardinal to be a possible successor to Pope Francis. The 62-year-old archbishop of Manila, Philippines, reputed to see eye to eye on a wide variety of issues from migration to evangelization, will be taking over the reins of the Congregation for the Evangelization of the Peoples (also called Propaganda Fide) at a crucial time in its long history. Since Pope Gregory XV founded what was then called the Congregation for the Propagation of the Sacred Faith in 1622, Propaganda Fide has served to support the foreign missions financially, as well as to train missionaries and produce literature to help propagate the faith. The prefect has an extensive patrimony to govern, including prestigious real estate and properties in Rome. In 2016, outgoing prefect Cardinal Fernando Filoni said the dicastery’s jurisdiction included more than 186 archdioceses, 785 dioceses and 82 apostolic vicariates. Such importance was given to the dicastery in the past that its prefect was known as the “red pope.” But that may change and even intensify under proposals for the new constitution of the Roman Curia called Praedicate Evangelium (Preach the Gospel), whose draft is being circulated for external consultation after six years of deliberations among cardinals. According to the draft text that first appeared in May, the newly reformed Roman Curia is expected to place a premium on evangelization, possibly turning Propaganda Fide and the Pontifical Council for Promoting the New Evangelization into a “superdicastery.” The new body, provisionally called the “Dicastery for Evangelization,” would rank below the Vatican Secretariat of State but above the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, giving the new dicastery considerable prestige and influence. Cardinal Tagle’s enthusiasm for the New Evangelization, especially with regard to young people (he played key roles in both the 2012 Synod on the New Evangelization and the 2018 Synod on Youth), is therefore a key reason for his appointment, but the Pope has also tapped “Chito,” as he likes to be called, for additional reasons. Nicknamed the “Asian Bergoglio,” Cardinal Tagle’s background is expected to be an asset as the Church continues to grow in Asia. His close ties with the People’s Republic of China are also expected to be an advantage: His grandfather was Chinese, sent to the Philippines as a child to escape poverty. He is reportedly proud of his second surname, Gokim, which comes from his mother’s Chinese roots. These connections and his interest in China could be significant as challenges continue regarding the Holy See’s relations with China following last year’s controversial agreement on the appointment of bishops. But also noted among sources in Rome is how this appointment appears to point Cardinal Tagle toward being a potential successor to Pope Francis. For some years, it has been rumored at senior levels that Francis wants the Filipino cardinal to replace him, allegedly even going as far as sending Cardinal Óscar Rodríguez Maradiaga to Manila to give Cardinal Tagle a few practical lessons on how to be pope. When it became clear he was not ready or able, the Pope began looking to Cardinal Christoph Schönborn as a successor instead. But since then, Cardinal Tagle’s star has again been rising, and this was especially noticed at the youth synod last year, when he drew many votes to be on a synod committee. A synod participant who was present told the Register soon after the meeting that the cardinal had received a good reception and, on those grounds, was someone to look out for at the next conclave. Yet despite his popularity among some of the hierarchy, Cardinal Tagle is also seen by some as questionable in terms of theology. Although Benedict XVI appointed him cardinal in 2011 and he is thought to be somewhat sympathetic to Joseph Ratzinger’s theology, he has also been a researcher for the Bologna School which views the Second Vatican Council as a rupture with Tradition and a “new beginning.” It’s not clear if he, too, holds that view. Cardinal Tagle has been president of Caritas Internationalis since 2015 and was re-elected its head in May this year. He was appointed archbishop of Manila in 2011.
I would question whether Protestants rejected Truths 'wholesale' at the beginning. I think Luther first of all rejected the authority of the Pope and the rest of the rejections subsequently grew from that first breach. Luther chose to believe in Scripture as the only authority because there was no other authority to appeal to once he'd rejected papal authority. No doubt Luther thought he could successfully appeal to Scripture as an infallible source of Truth, but it quickly became obvious that this wasn't so without papal authority to interpret it. All he did was to get rid of the real pope and replace him with universal popehood.
You are picking and choosing also but you don’t see it. You are rejecting the Pope because he doesn’t suit you. No malice intended here, just my two cents. Think of the meaning of the word Protestant.
Dec. 10, 2019 Tangled Web of Transactions Utilized to Fund Bankrupt Italian Hospital NEWS ANALYSIS: The Register has reviewed documents that indicate Vatican officials employed covert and deceptive methods to divert 50 million euros needed at a children’s hospital to the troubled institution. Edward Pentin | http://www.ncregister.com/daily-new...ns-utilized-to-fund-bankrupt-italian-hospital VATICAN CITY — Using costly methods that appear deceptive, Vatican officials diverted 50 million euros belonging to the Bambino Gesù children’s hospital in Rome to guarantee a loan for the same amount to a bankrupt Italian dermatology hospital in 2014, despite warnings from the cardinal appointed to oversee financial transparency not to go ahead with the transaction. According to documents seen by the Register, the officials, including two lay consultants who received six-figure commissions on top of their other salaries for their efforts, worked with two Curial cardinals to arrange for the Bambino Gesù hospital, which is under Vatican authority, to guarantee the loan to the Istituto Dermopatico dell’Immacolata (IDI). The IDI, then owned by the Congregation of the Sons of the Immaculate Conception (CFIC), was at the time on the brink of closure, with debts in excess of 600 million euro. A further body, a foundation called the Fondazione Luigi Maria Monti, was set up in 2015 to help save IDI and keep it within the field of Catholic health care. As reported by CNA in November, the loan was firmly opposed at the time by Cardinal George Pell, then the prefect of the Vatican Secretariat for the Economy, but Pope Francis overrode his opposition and agreed to let the Administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See (APSA) go ahead with the transaction. The Holy Father later canceled the hospital’s guarantee of the loan when he realized the error, but the 50 million euro has yet to be returned by APSA to the children’s hospital. Documents show that Vatican officials concealed the origins of the loan by forcing the Bambino Gesù to deposit the funds with APSA, the Vatican department also responsible for real estate management, in the form of a “certificate of deposit” (CD) issued by APSA itself. This usually takes the form of a no-risk loan to be repaid within a fixed time. APSA then used the CD as collateral to guarantee the loan to the IDI, which went to the congregation. The plan made it look as if APSA, rather than the Bambino Gesù hospital, which is a well-respected children’s hospital in Italy mostly funded by the Italian state, was providing the financing to the CFIC, IDI’s owners — something unlikely to have been allowed in view of the children’s hospital being mostly state-funded. ‘Smoke and Mirrors’ “The overall loan and guarantee transaction was executed covertly by APSA, shielded from the eyes of the public,” an informed source told the Register. “APSA didn’t lend the money to the Luigi Monti Foundation or to IDI. Formally, it was lent to the congregation (CFIC), who in turn instructed APSA to pay it out of their account to the foundation — it was all smoke and mirrors.” A March 2015 confirmation slip, seen by the Register, documents the funds’ transfer from the congregation to the foundation. According to other documents seen by the Register, in 2016, the Bambino Gesù’s current president, Mariella Enoc, asked Cardinal Domenico Calcagno, the president of APSA, to liquidate the CD and return the 50 million euro to the children’s hospital. To this day, however, the Register understands that the funds have not been returned, although Antonio Leozappa, the president of the Luigi Monti Foundation, has suggested loans to the IDI could be returned “in 2022 in case of a return to profitability.” The Register on Dec. 5 directly emailed Cardinal Calcagno’s successor, Archbishop Nunzio Galantino, about whether he could confirm the 50 million euro would be returned to the Bambino Gesù hospital, but he has not responded. Although committed to prevent the IDI from collapse with consequent job losses, Cardinal Pell advised the Pope and Cardinal Pietro Parolin, the Vatican secretary of state, in 2014 not to go ahead with the loan. “He considered it immoral to condemn the children’s hospital to losing money that it needed to treat needy children,” the Vatican source said. The source added that Cardinal Pell also believed it was “extremely dangerous to comingle the children’s hospital’s patrimony, which, for the most part, was made up of Italian government public funds, with IDI’s growing deficits and debt.” Vatican Bank Refusal A key reason why Vatican officials believed they had no option but to take this route was because the Institute for Works of Religion (IOR), better known as the Vatican Bank, had already refused to issue the loan on the grounds it was too risky and would be in breach of its new practices. Cardinal Pell concluded this was why Cardinal Calcagno, Cardinal Giuseppe Versaldi, then-president of CFIC, and Giuseppe Profiti, then-president of the Bambino Gesù, insisted on obtaining the loan guarantee from the children’s hospital, along with the fact that they knew that the children’s hospital had extensive funds to draw upon. All three underwrote the loan guarantee from the Bambino Gesù, according to documents examined by the Register. But before doing so, they tried to win over Cardinal Pell and the Pope by hiring the accountancy giant KPMG to conduct a feasibility study to show how the loan could and would be repaid. But when Cardinal Pell’s office asked that KPMG sign their study, the firm refused to do so. The Register has asked KPMG’s Italian branch, which conducted the study, why the accountant group was unwilling to endorse it, but so far has received no response. On the strength of the study, Pope Francis and Cardinal Parolin went ahead with the 50 million-euro loan despite opposition from Cardinal Pell and others — something the Vatican source said became a pattern. “The Pope again chose to override his own regulatory authorities and side instead with the ‘old guard’ leaders whom he had failed to replace,” he said. In Nov. 28 comments to veteran Vatican reporter Sandro Magister, Leozappa said the Luigi Monti Foundation had not received financing from APSA or from the Bambino Gesù. But this was never in question, as documents show the loan had been given to the congregation rather than to the foundation, although it was the final beneficiary of the loan along with IDI itself. Laymen Received Commissions And although Cardinal Parolin told Catholic News Agency he was responsible for “operations involving IDI,” two laymen played significant roles as consultants to APSA regarding the Bambino Gesù loan: professor Franco Dalla Sega of the Catholic University of the Sacred Heart in Milan, and Carmine Stingone, a Rome-based attorney, both of whom received six-figure commissions for their work in securing the loan. In a July 2016 letter to both Dalla Sega and Stingone, Msgr. Mauro Rivella, secretary to APSA, thanked them for their professional services and detailed how they would receive “.25% on the total value of the operation of €50 million,” amounting to 125,000 euro plus expenses. A January 2017 payment confirmation from APSA shows Dalla Sega received a gross total of almost 175,000 euro, on top of his salary as a consultant for APSA, a position he still holds. Stingone has since ceased employment with the dicastery. Dalla Sega was also a member of the Fondazione Luigi Monti board of directors while he worked to secure the loan for CFIC, a clear conflict of interest that would later catch the attention of Cardinal Pell and Libero Milone, the Vatican’s former auditor general. The Register asked Dalla Sega Dec. 5 why he negotiated the loan despite the opposition of Cardinal Pell and others, how he justified such a large commission in addition to his salary, and whether APSA would be returning the loan to the Bambino Gesù, but he has also not responded.
I have not and will not do that about the Truths of our Faith. Accepting C.Bergoglio as our pope does not fall into that category. That's a strange way of putting it. You mean PF suits you? There are multiple reasons why people are questioning the validity of Benedict XVI's renunciation and PF's election; it is also not something unique to me alone. I've mentioned the reasons before and the article in this post covers many of the reasons. +
If one accepts PF as true pope, then one must accept and follow his 'Magisterial' teachings. That's when no picking or choosing is allowed. +
He is called the “Asian Bergoglio” and has close ties with China. That’s all we need to know. (But there’s more)
When his 'magisterium' contradicts that which went before, obviously one must choose what has always been, on the basis that as Truth is Absolute, it cannot change. According to the definition of the First Vatican Council, a Pope is infallible in so far as he defends the traditional truths of doctrine and morality of the Church. A pope who would alter the sense or meaning of any of these truths would, in his attempt at the impossible, be stepping out from under the umbrella of infallibility and entering into error. Error, we are assured, has no rights and we are not obliged to follow it, even if it is preached by an Angel from Heaven. To cut a long story short, if Bergoglio steps an iota out of line from the traditional magisterium in propagating what he might call magisterium of his own, he renders that which he propagates immediately invalid and therefore it does not objectively qualify as magisterial. Part of the problem lies in a modern over-regard for the human beings that enter the office of the papacy, one that has probably, with many good intentions, dangerously approached the level of idolatry whereby popes have come to be recognised almost as reincarnations of Christ or a novel incarnation of the Holy Ghost as opposed to merely being His vicars on Earth. As Saint John Henry Newman clarified in his own day, the intention of Pius IXth was to limit the apparent and actual power of the Pope rather than what has been interpreted as a designation of the Pope as an omniscient superman.
Yes. In that verse from Scripture, St Paul goes on to tell us that for such a one who preaches another doctrine, let him be anathema/ accursed. Are we then to disregard what St Paul said? If one is able, on one's personal authority, to recognise error taught by a pope and refuse to follow it, why can't one also decide on one's personal authority that such a pope is to be accursed/ anathemised? +
A characteristic of all true followers of Christ, lettered or unlettered, is to suffer themselves to be guided and led in all things that touch upon faith or morals by the Holy Church of God through its Supreme Pastor the Roman Pontiff, who is himself guided by Jesus Christ Our Lord. (Pope Pius XI, Casti Connubii) +
