I don't agree. I cannot and will not accept PF as true Vicar of Christ especially now after he has openly allowed worship of pagan idols in the Vatican itself. A Vicar of Christ who very publicly breaks the very 1st Commandment? Can you not see how ridiculous that is? There is enough controversy over Pope Benedict's resignation and PF's election for many people to question what truly happened, and the heresies that PF has propagated just add to the strong suspicion that PF cannot be a true pope. I just recently posted an article on this matter in another thread.Pope Benedict’s Renunciation is invalid for 6 Canonical Reasons And I believe that St Francis of Assisi's prophecy about a destroyer pope who is not canonically elected has happened already; with PF. +
Your posts say “I “ quite often. As members of the Mystical Body of Christ, it’s not about “I” The Church is not a democracy
A Vicar of Christ who breaks the First Commandment is still the Vicar of Christ until someone of higher authority decides otherwise. It's above my pay-grade; are you sure it isn't above yours? I suggest you please have a long hard think on that. It's better to put up with an appalling pope until God calls him in rather than break with The Church. SgCatholic, please just hang in there, you're not responsible for the misdeeds and mis-statements of Bergoglio. That's all on him, but if you keep on your suggested course, that's a win for Bergoglio. The best way to defy Bergoglionism is to hang tough. His mouth is watering for the 'rigid' to leave, so that there'll be nobody to kick up a fuss about his agenda. Sicken him by staying put and please continue to criticise him, but not as a non-pope, but as the wickedest one ever. God bless you.
Looks like Cardinal Tagle is being lined up to replace Pope Francis: https://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/ We have so much to look forward to:
He can be serious too. Song and dance act aside, I think we could do a lot worse. Here's a talk he gave about vocations in 2013.
Dec. 7, 2019 Verona’s Faith and Culture Conference Focuses on Catholic Tradition Msgr. Nicola Bux, a former collaborator of Benedict XVI, delivers an uncompromising diagnosis of the current situation of the Catholic Church and reaffirms the necessity to protect its traditions. Solène Tadié | http://www.ncregister.com/blog/sole...ture-conference-focuses-on-catholic-tradition VERONA, Italy — The eighth annual Fede e Cultura (“Faith and Culture”) gathering took place Nov. 17 on the theme of “Persecuted Catholics.” As in previous years, the event gathered prominent intellectual figures of Italian Catholicism, including writer and Vaticanist Aldo Maria Valli, economist and former president of Vatican Bank Ettore Gotti Tedeschi and Msgr. Nicola Bux, theologian and a close collaborator of Pope Benedict XVI. The event was sponsored by Fede e Cultura, a Catholic publishing house based in northern Italy, which promotes traditional Catholic spirituality in Italy. During Benedict’s pontificate, Msgr. Bux was a consultant for the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Congregation for the Causes of Saints and the Office for the Liturgical Celebrations of the Supreme Pontiff. He is also a regular contributor to the theological magazine Communio, which then-Cardinal Ratzinger co-founded in 1972. Msgr. Bux is also the author of a number of books, including Perché I cristiani non temono il martirio (“Why Christians Don’t Fear Martyrdom”). In this interview with the Register, Msgr. Bux discussed the effects of what he believes to be a shift toward worldliness within the Church, the reasons why traditional liturgy attracts more and more young people and gradual replacement of “charity” by “volunteerism.” The theme of this gathering is “Persecuted Catholics.” What does it mean to be persecuted for one’s faith nowadays, especially in our Western democracies? First of all, persecution is the ordinary status of Christians and the Church — as Jesus said, “Since they persecuted me, naturally they will persecute you” (John 15:20) — and it has been our ordinary status for over two millennia. Cardinal Stefan Wyszyński, a great servant of God [who will be beatified June 7, 2020], was very instrumental in the appointment of Karol Wojtyła as archbishop of Krakow and later as Pope John Paul II . Cardinal Wyszyński told Pope John Paul II once that the time had come for every one of us to trade our small way of the cross for a larger one — one that thousands of humans have undergone in following Christ. For many people, especially in the West, this bit of advice has not been very clear. For the past few decades, we have had relative freedom to profess our faith and so we consider persecution as something extraordinary. But a creeping persecution is being seen and felt in many parts of the West — it has been happening for many years now and very few people seem to be fully aware of that. To be persecuted for one’s faith is the lot of every Christian. So, I think we should convince ourselves about one fact: Those who want to be truly Christian, even more if they want to be Catholic, must accept persecution — whether it is done with “white gloves” or with brutality, from inside or outside the Church. Because, unfortunately, the world enters the Church, and while entering it, it tries to make the Church its own. Never totally, but partly — so the part of the Church that is taken by the world always ends up succumbing. But let’s also remember that Christ has already “overcome the world” (John 16:33). In your address, you suggested the fact that persecution can assume many different forms. One of them is the attack not only against the Church but also against particular parish churches, from people inside and outside the Church. In particular, you expressed your concern about the growing practice to transform places of worship into entertainment spaces. What is this a symptom of? The phenomenon of transforming places of worship for various functions — into concert rooms, restaurants, and so on, almost like multipurpose rooms — is one of the effects of worldliness in the Church. Let’s recall that totalitarian regimes did the same when they forbade the use of churches for the purpose of worship. Now paradoxically, we do it from within the Church. It is a symptom of the corruption that has even affected some clergymen. Fortunately, some people have become aware of this and have tried to respond. They haven’t given in to this “trend.” So it is necessary to help everyone maintain or acquire a Catholic judgment with the aim of not falling into this trap. In his talk, former director of the Vatican Bank (IOR), Ettore Gotti Tedeschi, lamented the fact that today, the Church seems to be more concerned about economic or environmental issues than about morality and the salvation of souls. Do you agree with such a statement? Absolutely. It is a widespread tendency. To give you an example, I recently had the occasion to listen to an interview with the archbishop of Taranto, Italy, in the framework of the national scandal triggered by the shutdown of a former ILVA steel plant in Taranto. The archbishop [Filippo Santoro] said it was necessary to maintain employment and the environment — nothing else. Many other clergymen before him have said similar things. But when one sees a bishop with a cross, one would expect a moral statement from him. continued...
continued from above... For instance, he would be expected to wonder how the greatest factory in Europe is in crisis. It is easy to imitate politicians’ statements, but there is also a moral problem at stake here: This factory had hired many people who didn’t contribute to the factory’s wellbeing. For instance, he would be expected to wonder how the greatest factory in Europe is in crisis. It is easy to imitate politicians’ statements, but there is also a moral problem at stake here: This factory had hired many people who didn’t contribute to the factory’s wellbeing. So when a CEO comes along and says, “We must cut jobs,” everyone is scandalized. Fair enough, but it would be more appropriate to let people in charge of political and economic issues think about how they can expand the possibilities for employment. The Church should confine itself to explain why it is not moral to continue this fight — neither from the head of the factory, nor from trade unions or other participants in this controversy. The clergy have a crucial role to play in educating people’s consciences. Today, we tend to align with political correctness and we are no longer able to say more. This must change. You strongly support maintaining tradition within the Church, especially with regard to liturgy. Why is it so important for you? When we talk about tradition, we speak about the process of transmission of the faith, which started with Christ, with Revelation, and comes to us through the Apostles. Liturgy is one of these places of transmission of the faith. It is not something at our disposal, subject to whatever we can or want to do, because liturgy then would no longer be sacred. It would become our own liturgy, entertainment or something else. So, this is why liturgy belongs to the driving [force behind] the transmission of the faith. So true is it that the Fathers of the Church used to say that the rule of the faith and the rule of prayer are interdependent. Today, I could say that I can understand what you believe from the way you pray. If the way you pray changes, it means that even the way you believe has changed. Sacred liturgy is something very delicate. But we have been through a time of desecration in which it seems that the sacred dimension has been overshadowed by new fashionable dimensions. There is the prevailing impression that everything should be desecrated, secularized. Young people seem more and more attracted to traditional liturgy nowadays. How do you explain that? Several studies confirm that. I see it all the time, especially among young men. And I also want to note that today the participants in this Fede e Cultura gathering [whose sensitivity is openly traditionalist] was mostly made of men — which does not diminish the female presence, of course. But these tendencies are symptomatic. Because Christianity has a masculine liturgy. It is not feminine in the sense of a sentimental approach. However, nowadays liturgy is often reduced to emotions, to feelings. So, clearly, how could men recognize themselves in this? Liturgy, by its very nature, is masculine, objective. Liturgy doesn’t fall within the ambit of emotions. Liturgy must gather objectively all the human beings’ states of mind, maintaining such feelings on a low level, because at this very moment, we are worshiping God, not ourselves. You were a consultant in four different Vatican congregations during Pope Benedict XVI’s pontificate. How have these congregations changed in the last few years? I believe they are affected by some of the new orientations that are being given to them … it is something I have noticed, especially at the Congregation for the Cause of Saints. For example, recently, some processes were opened or even concluded with great ease, even though some of them were very questionable — something that wouldn’t have happened a few years ago. I think this was the case for Argentinian Enrique Angelelli, to name one. It ends up generating a great sense of confusion among the faithful. Historically, the modalities for such processes have always been extremely rigorous. The Church always used to ask for miracles — two for beatification, and at least two others for canonization. This requirement means that the final declaration, even if it cannot be totally infallible, has a very limited margin of risk. But unfortunately, it has become relative. Relativism has also reached this congregation in other ways too. I believe things have become more political now. We are trying to promote a “martyrdom of charity.” What does this mean? Martyrdom has always been suffered in odium fidei, which means that the person is killed because of Jesus’ name. When a priest or a lay person is killed because he showed solidarity, he certainly is a hero, but not a martyr. If he gets killed because his charity is a direct expression of the faith he professed, then he really is a martyr. But these things are no longer clear enough. Do you mean there currently is a confusion between social work and charity work, between solidarity and true holiness ? Exactly. And there tends to be a growing confusion between volunteerism and charity, even within the Church, where the word “volunteerism” is gradually replacing “charity.” However, charity is not volunteerism, as the word “volunteerism” itself suggests that if I do good to someone, it is because I want it. But you must do charity even if you don’t want to! You must do it for the love of Christ, because you are full of love. We must be charitable — even if we don’t have time, even if we have many good excuses not to practice charity.
This BA letter can no longer be claimed to be private, because it has been officially uploaded onto the Vatican’s website and according to PF’s instruction, has become part of Authentic Magisterium. This can only be regarded as your personal opinion, because PF himself did not say that what he previously called Authentic Magisterium no longer applies. In fact, I believe that regarding PF’s recent address to the Jesuits in Thailand where he says that AL on the matter of the divorced and remarried is part of the Magisterium, the general understanding based on reports is that PF is further emphasising that the divorced and remarried can access the Eucharist even when they fail to live as brother and sister. +
It is not as if there is clarity on the subject matter. This is what Cardinal Burke said recently: “It was while discussing the Amazonian Synod that the Cardinal mentioned the possibility of a schism in the church. “While the final document [from the Amazon Synod which concluded Oct. 27] is less explicit in the embrace of pantheism, it does not repudiate the statements in the working document which constitute an apostasy from the Catholic faith,” stated Burke. “The working document doesn’t have doctrinal value. But what if the pope were to put his stamp on that document? People say if you don’t accept that, you’ll be in schism — and I maintain that I would not be in schism because the document contains elements that defect from the apostolic tradition. So my point would be the document is schismatic. I’m not.” Douthat then pressed Burke to explain the implications of the Pope backing a document that is schismatic, stating: “But how can that be possible? You’re effectively implying that the pope would be leading a schism.” To which Burke replied: “Yes.” Douthat then asked: “Isn’t that a deep contradiction of how Catholics think about the office of the papacy?” Burke responded: “Of course. Exactly. It’s a total contradiction. And I pray that this wouldn’t happen. And to be honest with you, I don’t know how to address such a situation. As far as I can see, there’s no mechanism in the universal law of the church to deal with such a situation.” https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c...chism-if-he-endorsed-amazon-synod-working-doc So, as we can see, Cardinal Burke is at a loss to explain how a pope can have apostasised and lead the church into schism. To me, the only rational way to explain the apostasy and believe in the papacy is to admit that Francis is not the true pope. +
Also, we have had the dubia, fraternal corrections etc. And the recent article by Stefanie Nicholas on OnePeterFive where she wrote: ”We all have to face this fear above all fears: that Catholicism may be wrong, and that you, Jorge Mario Bergoglio, may be the one to prove it.” https://onepeterfive.com/dear-jorge-mario-bergoglio/ +
SgC: I understand how you feel. Thankfully, I've reconciled myself to the fact that prayer for the Pope and all our clergymen is the only way I can help with fixing this terrible mess. Venting my anger was harming my own peace of mind, and probably my soul, while making no difference to the Pope and his cronies. God is permitting this for some unknown reason. Although we feel helpless, sincere prayer is powerful. Your going to daily Mass, receiving Communion and offering them for the Pope is as powerful as it gets. The Church is not wrong because it is the Mystical Body of Christ. It will survive Pope Francis and the Jesuits. God willing, with enough prayer, we will live to see one of Francis' successors get the barque back on course. Seeing the Jesuits disbanded would be a bonus, but maybe that's asking too much. Whatever happens, we need to keep the faith handed down to us, stay inside the barque, wait and trust that Jesus will calm the storm. May the Lord grant us the patience needed to wait out this storm.
He can dance all he wants if he's spoken and written words are orthodox. I'd put up with a lot now if those conditions are fulfilled.
Of course they're my personal opinions. I'm just a Joe Soap on a comments blog trying to be as honest as I can. I claim no more authority than that. Which is precisely no less than yours. You believe (your opinion) the 'general understanding based on reports': this is hardly very concrete on a number of levels. If he's talking to Jesuits, it would hardly be a shock if they deliberately misinterpreted his words according to their own prejudices and in contradiction of the also reported words that we have just been discussing. The 'great moral tradition of The Church' prevents the possibility of adulterers receiving Communion in a state of mortal sin. All this is a side issue, although I consider the reports quoted on this site a few posts back more reliable than the hearsay reports you have just provided; the crucial point is that none of these statements and events lend us the authority to deny that Bergoglio is Pope.
The talk he gave in that video seemed sensible and orthodox. He seems to be good at networking. I'm fairly sure that he was present at the pachamama ceremonies but being there doesn't mean that he was an enthusiastic participant. There were some negative comments about him from Filipinos on Rocco Palmo's Twitter feed but a few comments can't be representative of millions of Filipinos. The new jobs means that he will be moving to Rome, and there will be a vacancy at the top of Caritas International. Will anyone be surprised if the vacancy is filled by a Jesuit or a devotee of Emma Bonino - maybe someone from a shortlist drawn up by Jeffrey Sachs who seems to have a say in all thing Catholic these days?
This phrase 'above my pay-grade' is puzzling to me, when applied in the context of matters of Faith. We are the Church Militant, and each one of us who is baptised and confirmed has the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit, if we keep God's Commandments. That oft-quoted words of Bishop Fulton Sheen, where he says that it is the lay people who will save the Church, are referring to this potential in us, the Church Militant, because of the Holy Spirit in us - that's what I believe. So, even though we have no official authority to make a pronouncement on Church matters, we who are faithful, have our God-given ability to reason, based on the handed down truths of our Faith. Based on that, I know that a true Vicar of Christ cannot be worshipping idols or promoting heresy or schism. As Cardinal Burke has said, that is a contradiction. And when one adds to that all the problems surrounding Benedict XVI's resignation and C. Bergoglio's election, which I have discussed on this forum before, I can only believe that Benedict XVI is still the one and only true Pope. I cannot pretend otherwise. But that does not mean I will walk away from the Catholic Church. God forbid. I will never leave the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church that Christ founded on Peter the Rock. I keep quoting St Paul who told us in Scripture that anyone who teaches us another doctrine should be accursed. Honestly, I believe that St Paul would be the first to put up strong opposition to the apostasy and heresies that have been displayed/ propagated by PF. And I really don't believe that he would tell us to bear with PF till God takes him away. I am not full of anger. No. It doesn't disturb my peace. I know that God is allowing this. In the end the Immaculate Heart of Mary will triumph. But I don't believe that our role, or at least mine, in this time is to pray only and not think too much about it all. What exactly am I being called to do? I don't know yet, but I stand ready to fight for Christ and our Church. May God's Will be done in me, and all of us. +
