The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. FatimaPilgrim

    FatimaPilgrim Powers

    Never left, just been over here in the corner quietly wearing my beads out while watching and discerning.

    Maybe it’s getting closer to go time and Our Lady wants all hands on deck
     
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  2. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    Cardinal pressured bishops to stay quiet on abuse case so as not to harm Pope’s image
    John-Henry Westen


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    November 12, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — Today is a very special episode of the John-Henry Westen Show. We have documents and testimony directly from two Bishops and a Cardinal admitting to refusing to issue a public statement supporting a clergy sexual abuse victim for fear of tarnishing the reputation of Pope Francis.






    Recent hearings at the UK government-established Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) has elicited testimony from two bishops replete with incriminating evidence on Cardinal Vincent Nichols, the Archbishop of Westminster and President of the Catholic Bishops' Conference of England and Wales. Nichols was made a Cardinal by Pope Francis in 2014.

    Both Portsmouth Bishop Philip Egan and Northhampton Bishop Peter Doyle testify that Cardinal Nichols cajoled them into refusing to issue a statement in support of a known victim of sexual abuse who was being disparaged in Catholic media as non-credible and her claims as “fantastical.” Cardinal Nichols, the bishops testify, warned that any public statement issued by the bishops in support of the abuse victim would be used to bolster attacks on Pope Francis.

    Both Bishops Egan and Doyle testify that communications directors from the Bishops’ Conference, of which Nichols is President, advised them against any public statement in favor of the victim as it would lead to an attack on the Pope. Both also testify, under oath, that Cardinal Nichols himself had later intervened to confirm these fears of his Conference’s PR agents, and that it was the Cardinal’s intervention that convinced both bishops not to act for the abuse victim. In an email Bishop Doyle sent to the victim, subpoenaed by the inquiry, the bishop explained why he was now refusing to honor the victim’s request that a public statement be issued asserting her credibility. Bishop Egan also stated that, “I saw it as an attempt to discredit the Holy Father, actually, because it was so connected at that time with the Viganò affair."

    However, when Cardinal Nichols himself took the stand (watch here) he vehemently rejected the assertion that his primary concern was trying to protect the reputation of the Pope and suggests rather that his overriding concern was for the victim. But the Cardinal’s own testimony is not only contradicted by the other two bishops who took the stand but also by a woman who worked in the Portsmouth diocese as an advocate for abuse victims – a position called a safeguarding commissioner. Watch her testimony here.

    What are Cardinal Nichols and the two bishops trying to conceal about Pope Francis? What is it that has them so concerned about an attack on Pope Francis that they’d be willing to refuse to assist a clergy sexual abuse victim? Remember the leaked reports that early in Pope Francis’ reign he personally halted a Vatican investigation into sexual abuse perpetrated by a Cardinal? That Cardinal was none other than Cormac Murphy O’Connor who by all accounts was very instrumental in electing Pope Francis. He is the same Cardinal who this victim alleges abused her. O'Connor was, incidentally, Nichols' predecessor.

    Pope Francis’ blocking of that investigation was confirmed to me by Cardinal Gerhard Müller in October 2018 at a Napa conference in Washington, D.C. The conclusion of this entire sad tale is this: This abuse victim made her request for a hearing into these new allegations of abuse by Cardinal Cormac Murphy O’Connor in 2009, a decade ago. Despite Cardinal Nichols’ testimony that it was investigated, the other two bishops disagree and sent a joint letter to the Cardinal asking him to reopen her case.

    In his sworn testimony, Cardinal Nichols claims that the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith had closed the case of this abuse victim in 2011, thus implying that the Pope did not stop it in 2013. However the other two bishops ask him to reopen the case. “I was going to ask Cardinal Vincent,” says Egan in his testimony, “if he would re-open and re-examine this case and see what could be done to help the person concerned.” Bishops Egan and Doyle wrote a joint letteron Egan’s letterhead to Nichols on May 1, 2019. Egan testified that Cardinal Nichols didn’t even respond to the letter.

    And finally in the interests of full disclosure I should tell you that LifeSiteNews is brought up several times in this hearing. Remember LifeSiteNews was used by Nichols and the PR folks as the threat to the bishops that should they speak in defense of the abuse victim her case would surely be used to attack Pope Francis.

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  3. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    I'd be careful about plea bargaining with God. "Thy will be done" is the best approach.

    I paid a visit to the Blessed Sacrament a few days ago with the intention of praying for the Church. Really fed up with the downward spiral in this country, I found myself letting off steam to all the Irish saints. "What are you doing up there?" "Have you abandoned us?" "With so many of you, we wouldn't be in this mess if you all were interceding for us". Then it occurred to me that maybe their intercession has been saving us from the kind of persecution they suffered. I had to eat some seriously humble pie.

    Here's a homily from a priest who saw the writing on the wall four years ago. It's not a long video - only 26 minutes - but well worth listening to.


    This article in the National Catholic Register tells us all we need to know about what's wrong with the Jesuits: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/jesuit-martyrs-old-and-new
     
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  4. San Andreas

    San Andreas New Member

    I understand. Light hearted approach deleted. No offence intended.
     
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  5. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Tales of weak men. Even the more honourable pair originally sided with protecting their institution over proclaiming the truth.

    If the truth happens to portray Pope Francis in a bad light, it ought not be merely dismissed as an attack on him. There might well be cynical people with that intent, but the truth should always be admitted.

    Using this logic, the Passion of Christ ought not to be proclaimed, as it might represent an attack on Judas.

    Anyway, did this suppression of the truth succeed? Nobody is coming out of this appalling scandal with any credit. Could anyone be blamed now for not trusting a single Churchman?
     
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  6. AED

    AED Powers

    This talk is excellent. This priest nails it.
     
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  7. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    May God bless Edward Pentin and the work that he is doing.

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    Nov. 15, 2019
    The Political Pan-Amazon Synod?
    NEWS ANALYSIS: A set of ideological presuppositions, derived from the political left and also rooted in some strands of liberation theology, informed both the synodal discussions and the synod’s final document.
    Edward Pentin | http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/the-political-pan-amazon-synod

    VATICAN CITY — The Pan-Amazonian synod that took place last month highlighted an array of sociopolitical and environmental concerns affecting both the indigenous people of the region and the wider world.

    Common themes included threats to the environment, the exploitation by corporations at the expense of the indigenous people, and the harmful effects these extraction industries have on both people and the environment.

    But while these were genuine concerns, many of them also carried with them a set of political presuppositions.

    These presuppositions included the assertion that climate change was anthropogenic and would be as devastating as the United Nations and others claim, that corporations and some governments are generally exploitative, and that the West was chiefly to blame for most of the destruction and injustice in the region.

    The synod’s final document stressed that the Church must listen and learn from the indigenous people and a colonialist attitude must be avoided. Meanwhile, many of the martyrs the synod highlighted were those who heroically laid down their lives, but often for resisting exploitation or fighting social injustice, rather than killed because of odium fidei — hatred of the faith.

    At the same time, George Weigel observed that synod fathers failed to mention the “colossal failures of corrupt leftist regimes” in Bolivia, Ecuador and Venezuela and “the much-deplored deterioration of environmental and human conditions” that has taken place in Brazilian Amazonia over the past two decades under socialist Presidents Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and Dilma Rousseff.

    Such perspectives, coupled with the presence of leftist and communist politicians, invited by synod organizers to parallel synod meetings, and the renewal of the 1965 “Pact of the Catacombs” that marked the beginning of liberation theology, consequently gave rise to criticism that the synod had a particular temporal and political focus, one that was decidedly leftist and used as a vehicle for political rather than religious ends.

    The criticism is one with which professor Stefano Fontana, director of the Cardinal Van Thuan International Observatory on the Social Doctrine of the Church, agrees for two main reasons. Firstly, he believes the synod suffered from an erroneous approach, one which started from “the historical-political reality of the Amazon and went back from there to the Gospel, rather than doing the opposite,” and “proclaiming Christ in temporal realities.”

    This had the effect, he believes, of “excluding” the Church’s social doctrine, which “starts from Revelation and right reason and then arrives at political problems.” It sought a “political model of coexistence” from the indigenous peoples, Fontana told the Register, and used that to challenge “the faith of the Church.”

    Secondly, he believes the synod acted as a “catalyst” and basis for “political forces linked to a revolutionary presence” in Latin America — partly evidenced, he argued, in such expressions as a “theology of the people, the theology of liberation” and “base communities.”

    Julio Loredo of the Brazil-based Plinio Correa Oliveira Institute, part of the Tradition, Family and Property movement founded in 1960 as a bulwark against communism in society and the Church, had a similar critique. The synod, he said, was “theological,” but with “political consequences,” as it was littered with indications of liberation theology — the 1960s and 1970s doctrine, often based on far-left politics, that aimed at liberating the poor from socioeconomic oppression.

    One of the main tenets of liberation theology is “precisely the fusion between faith and politics, between theory and praxis, between theology and revolution,” Loredo explained. “Communism is the Kingdom of God on earth,” he said, quoting Father Ernesto Cardenal, a founder of liberation theology whom Pope St. John Paul II prohibited from administering the sacraments but whom Pope Francis rehabilitated this year. “Theirs is a political utopia cloaked in religious language,” Loredo said.

    For Loredo, the synod’s final document contains “the blueprint not only for a new Church” but also a new socialist society based on the abolition or attenuation of “private property” and “more communitarian relations.”

    Liberation Theology Thread

    Fontana also saw a thread of liberation theology running through the synod, a theology, he said, that comes after praxis and “struggles for justice” and whose proponents, such as Leonardo Boff, would later apply to “environmental and even cosmic issues.” The concept of “integral ecology” is “very ambiguous,” Fontana also said, but figured prominently during the synod, forming part of the synod’s theme. It was mentioned earlier in Pope Francis’ environmental encyclical Laudato Si.

    “Today the ‘practice of liberation’ is replaced by the ‘practice of integral ecology,’ so that the primitive life of pagan peoples can become a model of universal coexistence,” Fontana argued.

    Loredo said Marxist liberation theology was abandoned in 1980 because its promoters had to find alternative ways to “promote the revolutionary process,” and one means was through “ecological theology” — or in Boff’s words: “To the cry of the poor we added the cry of the Earth.”

    Another proponent of such Marxist thinking, Brazilian Dominican Frei Betto, admitted earlier this year that the synod was an alternative means to promote liberation theology. “We have before us an opportunity that will allow us to move forward,” Betto told an audience in Brazil. “We must not propose liberation theology. It scares many people. We need to talk about socioenvironmental issues instead.”

    Cardinal Gerhard Müller, an expert in the theology of liberation and the thinking of one of its most famous founders, Dominican Father Gustavo Gutiérrez Merino, would not be drawn on whether the synod was a means to promote a Marxist version of the theology via other means. Liberation theology “in a good sense” can question and help overcome “unjust suffering in the face of God’s love revealed in the cross of Christ,” he said.

    But the prefect emeritus of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith explained that a Marxist strand represents “the most radical form of anti-theology, where God is negated and man is at the mercy of man,” and he warned that the Church can sin against the Holy Spirit by “joining in such materialism, abandoned by God.” If it does, he argued, people will be “deceived about their faith in the Triune God and in Jesus Christ.” When people “without God” try to build a new world, “they only create hell on earth,” he added.

    Without explicitly saying Marxist liberation theology was a key component of the synod, Cardinal Müller indicated that an atheistic ideology might have infiltrated the meeting because the final document speaks of a “supreme being” instead of “God the Father of Jesus Christ” — the former expression, he noted, was used by the “Deists of England,” the Freemasons and those who “wanted to suppress the Christian faith in favor of a general, natural religion, without dogmas, moral principles and the divinely guaranteed authority of the magisterium.”

    Fontana said the problem with such leftist politics entering into theology, and in turn the synod, is that its basis is an “immanentist” philosophy — focused on the material and this world — where principles and norms are “evolving,” as opposed to a focus on transcendence. Such a culture within the Church accepts secularization as part of a historical journey, he said. For proponents of such a philosophy, the doctrine of the Church “is also in evolution as a historical product,” he explained, an approach that was promoted by such theologians as Karl Rahner with “disastrous” consequences.

    Loredo said “many of the synod’s main players,” such as Cardinal Claudio Hummes, the synod’s relator general, and Bishop Erwin Kräutler, a principal synod organizer, “come from Marxist liberation theology” and that Boff, a former priest who, according to Loredo and others, was a “main source of inspiration” for Laudato Si, “never disavowed Marxism.”

    Loredo said the presence of Marxist liberation theology thinking was particularly prominent in Article 36 of the final document, where it speaks of “Basic Christian Communities.” These are the “militant branch of liberation theology,” Loredo claimed, which in the past were involved in guerrilla warfare. The communities “were declining,” he said, but the synod gave them “a boost.”

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  8. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    continued from above...

    Venezuelan Christine Vollmer, a former member of the Pontifical Academy for Life, said the “same groups” that organized the synod are part of the movements that installed leftist demagogues such as Hugo Chavez in Venezuela and Evo Morales in Bolivia. “Everyone knows that,” she told the Register. “The same thinkers, the same stale arguments, ignoring completely the real issues.”

    Fontana said such leftist political currents predate liberation theology but are a symptom of a Church which “seems to be very horizontal and not very vertical,” as Cardinal Robert Sarah and others have been saying “for some time.”

    “You have to understand that most of the synod’s organizers and players are people long involved in revolutionary activism in Latin America,” Loredo said. “In other words, they see the synod as a moment, as a step, in the revolutionary struggle they have being waging for decades.”

    Quoting Peruvian Cardinal Pedro Barreto, vice president of REPAM, the organization that effectively ran the synod, he said: “This synod brings to completion a process begun in the Latin American Church 40 years ago.”

    The liberation theology movement “is living the synod as a new beginning, as a starting point for a new phase of their revolutionary commitment — a quantum leap, if you wish,” Loredo said. “Indeed, never have they been more openly endorsed at such a high level in the Church.”

    “Will this prove true? I do not have a crystal ball,” he said. “However, the reaction the synod provoked in the vast majority of the faithful makes me think they are in for a rougher ride than they expected.”

    Asked whether more emphasis could have been placed on the supernatural and salvation of souls rather than the political and the temporal, Jesuit Cardinal Michael Czerny, one of the synod’s special secretaries responsible for managing the synod and drafting its final document, told the Register Nov. 11 that the meeting “was open to any and every proposal seeking to protect and enhance life, ‘to keep the trees standing and the waters flowing,’ and to provide the Church with new pastoral paths.”

    “By their votes the bishops expressed their faith, hope and charity,” he continued. “To me, this is the best evidence of balance, thanks to fidelity to the synodal process and docility to the Holy Spirit.”

    The final document, Cardinal Czerny said, “is a worthy result of all that went before, both in the careful preparation and during the three weeks of session, and we now look forward to the Holy Father’s apostolic exhortation.”

    Cardinal Hummes, final document drafting committee member Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, REPAM spokesman Mauricio Lopez Oropeza, and the secretary-general of the Synod of Bishops, Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri, were all asked questions about concerns over the political and temporal focus of the synod, but none of them returned the Register’s emails.

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    Bishop Schneider's book looks like a wonderful Christmas gift.

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    Nov. 13, 2019
    “Christ Conquers!” Says Bishop Athanasius Schneider
    Bishop Athanasius Schneider reminds us that Christ has already conquered the world and its annihilative forces.
    Amanda Evinger | http://www.ncregister.com/blog/evinger/christ-conquers-says-bishop-athanasius-schneider

    Once in a great while, you come across a book that feeds your soul like manna falling from Heaven. It gives you the inner strength you need to carry on, and nourishes your famished spirit with the wellspring of Truth. Such a book is Christus Vincit, a book-length interview featuring the ineffably profound insights of Bishop Athanasius Schneider.

    Perhaps no one could state it better than Cardinal Raymond Burke when he endorsed the book, saying: “No other bishop in recent memory has so tirelessly given himself in the service of the of the truths of the Catholic Faith... This book will be of great help to the faithful, and to all people of goodwill, in navigating the grave confusion, division, and error prevalent in our times. It reveals the heart of a true shepherd of souls, after the Heart of Christ, the Good Shepherd.”

    At the opening of the book, Bishop Schneider describes the extraordinary Catholic experiences of his childhood, including growing up in the midst of the persecuted Church in the Soviet Union and witnessing his devout parents hide Blessed Fr. Oleksiy Zarytskyj, a Ukrainian priest in exile. In the following chapters, he offers pastoral advice in dealing with the diabolical enemies the Catholic Church is now confronting, which he claims are mainly embodied in relativism, secularism, modernism and indifferentism. Beautifully surveying the scene of the present sufferings of Mother Church, he helps the reader to comprehend them more acutely, and approach them with a deep devotion to Our Lord.

    He writes, “As Christ's Mystical Body and His Bride, the Church must pass through the mysteries of her Divine Spouse. The current crisis is without any doubt the deepest suffering for the Church, of her most intense participation in the Sacred Passion of Christ. The greatest Passion of the Church is not persecution by her enemies from the outside, but persecution by her enemies from within: ruthless people without faith who have managed to reach high and influential ecclesiastical offices.”

    As an authentic pastor of souls, Bishop Schneider shows us how we can offer up our sufferings to help bring forth the victory of the Truth of Christ, which can never be demolished, despite the ruthlessness of the Prince of Darkness.

    “However, even in the midst of so many clerical Judases inside the Church today, we have to maintain always a supernatural vision of the victory of Christ, who will triumph through the suffering of His Bride, who will triumph through the suffering of the pure and little ones in all ranks of the members of the Church: children, youth, families, religious, priests, bishops and cardinals. When they remain faithful to Christ, when they keep unblemished the Catholic faith, when they live in chastity and humility, they are the pure and little ones in the Church.”

    As children of God and Mother Church, we can then go forward with confidence, enlightened by eternal wisdom and inspired by charity. As Bishop Schneider reminds us, Christ has already conquered the world and its annihilative forces.

    “St. Alexander of Alexandria, the immediate predecessor of St. Athanasius, left us the following precious statement on the invincibility of the Church: 'The only one catholic and apostolic Church will remain always indestructible, even if the entire world wages war against her. Because the Lord strengthened her, saying: ‘Take heart! I have overcome the world’ (John 16:33). On the obelisk in St. Peter’s Square are inscribed the words, Christus vincit, and the tip of that obelisk retains a relic of the true Cross. The Roman Church, the Apostolic See of St. Peter, is crowned, so to speak, with these luminous words Christus vincit, and the power of the Holy Cross of Christ. Even during the present spiritual crisis and spiritual obfuscation one might have the impression that the enemies of Christ and His Cross have to a certain extent occupied the Holy See, Christ will defeat them. Christus vincit!”

    In the midst of the current crisis in the Church, God continues to feed His faithful children, illuminating us with supernatural light and touching us with divine grace. As the Sacred Scriptures promise, He will not even abandon us or leave us orphans as we journey through this world, trekking through the valleys of tears, and climbing up the mountains of confusion. As dismal as the landscape of Mother Church looks at this time, we cannot lose sight of the ubiquitous reality that, Christus Vincit, Christus Regnat, Christus Imperat — Christ Conquers, Christ Reigns, Christ Commands. The fight is on, and we should be honored to be chosen to do battle for the Almighty One, who will always be victorious, world without end.

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    Pope Francis: Tech companies have a responsibility to protect children
    By Hannah Brockhaus | Vatican City, Nov 14, 2019 | https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...ve-a-responsibility-to-protect-children-77072
     
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  9. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    It is often said that socialism is a heresy of Christianity. Indeed, they are broadly similar. Christianity's basic social foundation is 'what's mine is yours', while that of socialism is 'what's yours is mine'.

    Hardly a difference. Why would anyone except the most rigid dream of objecting? Only a pharisee would pick on such slight difference.

    It didn't take long for one of the leftists mentioned to fall off his chariot. Morales is gone, Venezuela is a living hell on life-support, I know little of Ecuador, but Pachamama and Mother Earth don't seem to be providing much help.

    It struck me today that the people behind the Pachamama episode showed poor understanding of human nature (hardly surprising since they reject Catholic teaching which represents the best understanding of such nature). The liberal Catholics they appeal to are unlikely to be very impressed with the retrogressive idea of worshipping something so gauche and primitive as a Pachamama. These people are progressives, we must remember, the most 'woke' people who ever existed. They know it all and they know that what they don't know isn't worth knowing anyway. All generations that preceded them were wrong and they're right. Period. The notion of worshipping that ugly idol and even dirt(!) wouldn't go down too well in their sophisticated dinner parties. Now, maybe if Pope Francis had thought of proposing a Vatican super-computer which would calculate where computer-less God and His Son and the Apostles and Fathers and so on (they didn't even have tape recorders, for goodness sake!) had got it wrong, then these progressive sophisticates might be able to consider getting down on their knees.
     
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  10. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

  11. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    He is proposing the invention of new doctrine out of thin air. Doctrine that will inevitably be hopelessly entangled with science, much of it bad and none of it, as any honest scientist would testify, definitive. As Revelation has always been considered to have ended with the death of the last Apostle, this proposed new doctrine would simply be a new humanly-devised ideology and could not be Christian by any measure. He'd be putting himself in schism from the Church, if he hasn't already with idolatry.

    The last time a pope decided to hang Catholic doctrine on a scientific principle, that of Ptolemy's astronomy, didn't work out very well and the Church is still constantly being reminded of it. There seemed to have been much more solid reasons for disagreeing with Galileo than for jumping on the Green bandwagon, but since confusion and error seem to be the Bergoglian speciality, why should we be surprised?
     
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  12. Sam

    Sam Powers

    ???

    Catechism will be updated to include ecological sins, pope says


    Following through on a proposal made at the Synod of Bishops for the Amazon, Pope Francis said there are plans to include a definition of ecological sins in the Church’s official teaching.
    “We should be introducing — we were thinking — in the Catechism of the Catholic Church the sin against ecology, ecological sin against the common home,” he told participants at a conference on criminal justice Nov. 15.

    Members of the International Association of Penal Law were in Rome Nov. 13-16 for the conference, which centered on the theme, “Criminal Justice and Corporate Business.”

    Pope Francis also denounced the abuse of law and legislation to justify acts of violence and hatred.

    Today’s throwaway culture, as well as other “psycho-social phenomenon” pose threats to the common good while insidiously promoting a “culture of hate,” he said. These threats, he added, often take the form of “symbols and actions that are typical of Nazism.”

    “I must confess,” the pope said, departing from his prepared remarks, “that when I hear some speeches, some person in charge of order or the government, I am reminded of Hitler’s speeches in 1934 and 1936.”

    “They are actions typical of Nazism that, with its persecution of Jews, gypsies and people of homosexual orientation, represent a negative model par excellence of a throwaway culture and hate,” the pope said. “That is what happened in that time and today, these things are reappearing.”

    Today’s “current of punitivism, which claims to solve social problems through the penal system,” has not worked, the pope said. Instead, an “elementary sense of justice” must be applied so that “certain conduct for which corporations are usually responsible, does not go unpunished.”

    Chief among those crimes, he added, are acts that “can be considered as ‘ecocide’: the massive contamination of air, land and water resources, the large-scale destruction of flora and fauna, and any action capable of producing an ecological disaster or destroying an ecosystem.”

    Pope Francis also called on the international community to recognize ecocide as a “fifth category of crime against peace.”

    According to the Rome Statute, which was adopted by the International Criminal Court in 1998, the four core international crimes currently established are: crimes against humanity, genocide, war crimes and crimes of aggression.

    “On this occasion, and through you,” the pope told conference participants, “I would like to appeal to all the leaders and representatives in this sector to help with efforts in order to ensure the adequate legal protection of our common home.”

    In the synod’s final document, bishops defined ecological sin as a sin against God and future generations that “manifests itself in acts and habits of pollution and destruction of the harmony of the environment.”

    A true model of justice, the pope said, can find “its perfect incarnation in the life of Jesus” who, after being treated violently and put to death, brought “a message of peace, forgiveness and reconciliation.”

    “These are values that are difficult to achieve but necessary for the good life of all,” the pope said. “I don’t think it’s a utopia, but it’s a big challenge. A challenge that we must all address if we are to treat the problems of our civilized coexistence in a way that is rational, peaceful and democratic.”

    Catechism will be updated to include ecological sins, pope says - TheCatholicSpirit.com : TheCatholicSpirit.com
     
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  13. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    A new horror to contend with
     
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  14. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    The priest who hears my confession is in for a treat...............

    Father, since my last Confession:
    I used Roundup on the thistles twice;
    I killed all the dandelions and daisies in the grass (about 60 altogether, may they rest in peace).
    I had roast beef for dinner five times, beefburger three times, steak and kidney pie twice and beef stew once.
    I switched on the lights while it was still dusk and turned on the heat before the temperature outside dropped below freezing.
    I'm in an irregular situation because my environmentalist neighbours won't cut down their trees and the shading is causing a build-up of moss on my garden paths.
    I don't really want to treat the moss with Jeyes Fluid but I believe that's what Pachamama is asking of me in my irregular situation. Can you accompany me through this difficult situation? Maybe you could hold the watering can while I measure out the Jeyes Fluid, and we can dialogue as we treat the moss.​

    I can only imagine what my penance will be.
     
  15. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    ;)
     
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  16. Jo M

    Jo M Powers

    LOL...Wonder what my penance would be for using plastic straws, and hoarding plastic shopping bags that were recently banned in my town. Guess I'm in big trouble.
     
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  17. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Maybe you’ll get away with these.

    But then he’ll ask you the ultimate question:

    Do you deny that cow flatulence and air conditioners are causing global warming?
     
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  18. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I confess: I don’t recycle as often as I should.
     
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  19. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    That’s IT!!!
     
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  20. AED

    AED Powers

    :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
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