Sg, Although Cardinal Burke did not list all of the arguments that have been presented to him about Pope Francis being the legitimate pope and he mentions Pope Francis' election specifically in the following response, I wouldn't doubt that someone has, in fact, asked him the questions that you have listed. Douthat: You believe Francis is a legitimate pope? Burke: Yes, yes. I’ve had people present to me all kinds of arguments calling into question the election of Pope Francis. But I name him every time I offer the Holy Mass, I call him Pope Francis, it’s not an empty speech on my part. I believe that he is the pope. And I try to say that consistently to people, because you’re correct — according to my perception also, people are getting more and more extreme in their response to what’s going on in the church. It is also very interesting that he added that "people are getting more and more extreme in their response to what’s going on in the church." My fear at times is that the attack on the Vatican and the pope will be performed by a group of Catholics, extremists. This thought must have occurred to others on the forum. If the Church is going though the passion and since some Jews were involved in Our Lord's crucifixion than it only makes sense to me that Catholics will be involved in an attack on the Vatican. This is why I have always aired on the side of caution when discussing these things. + Cardinal Burke himself states that "It’s a total contradiction", as you have highlighted, I'm not sure that I follow your point. What is your point Sg? Edited to add: Sg, Yes, this is a rather obvious question given what is happening right now but Cardinal Burke has stated that he would not do what Archbishop Lefebvre did. Cardinal Burke is not leaving the Church and neither should we! Douthat: Can you imagine any situation that would justify the equivalent of what Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre did in the 1970s, when as a leader of a community of traditionalist Catholics he consecrated his own bishops in defiance of Rome? Burke: Schism, that can never be the will of Christ. Christ can never will a division in his body. People come to me and say, look, cardinal, it’s time, we have to go into schism. And I say no, it’s not possible. Our Lord can’t want that, and I’m not going to be part of any schism. May God bless Cardinal Burke a true defender of the Faith. We should pray fervently for him also! +
Protest against Pope Francis's sacrilegious acts We the undersigned Catholic clergy and lay scholars protest against and condemn the sacrilegious and superstitious acts committed by Pope Francis, the Successor of Peter, in connection with the recent Amazon Synod held in Rome. These sacrilegious acts are the following: On October 4, Pope Francis attended an act of idolatrous worship of the pagan goddess Pachamama. He allowed this worship to take place in the Vatican Gardens, thus desecrating the vicinity of the graves of the martyrs and of the church of the Apostle Peter. He participated in this act of idolatrous worship by blessing a wooden image of Pachamama. On October 7, the idol of Pachamama was placed in front of the main altar at St. Peter’s and then carried in procession to the Synod Hall. Pope Francis said prayers in a ceremony involving this image and then joined in this procession. When wooden images of this pagan deity were removed from the church of Santa Maria in Traspontina, where they had been sacrilegiously placed, and thrown into the Tiber by Catholics outraged by this profanation of the church, Pope Francis, on October 25, apologized for their removal and another wooden image of Pachamama was returned to the church. Thus, a new profanation was initiated. On October 27, in the closing Mass for the synod, he accepted a bowl used in the idolatrous worship of Pachamama and placed it on the altar. Pope Francis himself confirmed that these wooden images were pagan idols. In his apology for the removal of these idols from a Catholic church, he specifically called them Pachamama, a name for a false goddess of mother earth according to pagan religious belief in South America. Different features of these proceedings have been condemned as idolatrous or sacrilegious by Cardinal Walter Brandmüller, Cardinal Gerhard Müller, Cardinal Jorge Urosa Savino, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Bishop José Luis Azcona Hermoso, Bishop Rudolf Voderholzer, and Bishop Marian Eleganti. Lastly, Card. Raymond Burke has given the same assessment of this cult in an interview. This participation in idolatry was anticipated by the statement entitled “Document on Human Fraternity”, signed by Pope Francis and Ahmad Al-Tayyeb, the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar Mosque, on February 4, 2019. This statement asserted that: “The pluralism and the diversity of religions, colour, sex, race and language are willed by God in His wisdom, through which He created human beings. This divine wisdom is the source from which the right to freedom of belief and the freedom to be different derives.” Pope Francis’s involvement in idolatrous ceremonies is an indication that he meant this statement in a heterodox sense, which allows pagan worship of idols to be considered a good positively willed by God. Moreover, despite privately advising Bishop Athanasius Schneider that “You [the Bishop] can say that the phrase in question on the diversity of religions means the permissive will of God…” , Francis has never corrected the Abu Dhabi statement accordingly. In his subsequent audience address of April 3, 2019 Francis, answering the question “Why does God permit that there are so many religions?”, referred in passing to the “permissive will of God” as explained by Scholastic theology, but gave the concept a positive meaning, declaring that “God wanted to permit this” because while “there are so many religions” they “always look to heaven, they look to God (emphasis added).” There is not the slightest suggestion that God permits the existence of false religions in the same way He permits the existence of evil generally. Rather, the clear implication is that God permits the existence of “so many religions” because they are good in that they “always look to heaven, they look to God.” Worse, Pope Francis has since confirmed the uncorrected Abu Dhabi statement by establishing an “interfaith committee”, which later received the official name of “Higher Committee,” located in the United Arab Emirates, to promote the “goals” of the document; and promoting a directive issued by the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue addressed to the heads of all the Roman Catholic institutes of higher studies, and indirectly to Catholic university professors, asking that they give the “widest possible dissemination to the document", including its uncorrected assertion that God wills the “diversity of religions” just as He wills the diversity of color, sex, race and language. The rendering of worship to anyone or anything other than the one true God, the Blessed Trinity, is a violation of the First Commandment. Absolutely all participation in any form of the veneration of idols is condemned by this Commandment and is an objectively grave sin, independently of the subjective culpability, that only God can judge. St. Paul taught the early Church that the sacrifice offered to pagan idols was not offered to God but rather to the demons when he said in his First Letter to the Corinthians: “What then? Do I say, that what is offered in sacrifice to idols, is any thing? Or, that the idol is any thing? But the things which the heathens sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons, and not to God. And I would not that you should be made partakers with demons. You cannot drink the chalice of the Lord, and the chalice of demons: you cannot be partakers of the table of the Lord, and of the table of demons.” (1 Cor. 10:19-21) By these actions Pope Francis has incurred the reproach uttered by the Second Council of Nicaea: “Many pastors have destroyed my vine, they have defiled my portion. For they followed unholy men and trusting to their own frenzies they calumniated the holy Church, which Christ our God has espoused to himself, and they failed to distinguish the holy from the profane, asserting that the icons of our Lord and of his saints were no different from the wooden images of satanic idols.” With immense sorrow and deep love for the Chair of Peter, we beg Almighty God to spare the guilty members of His Church on earth the punishment that they deserve for these terrible sins. We respectfully ask Pope Francis to repent publicly and unambiguously of these objectively grave sins and of all the public offences that he has committed against God and the true religion, and to make reparation for these offences. We respectfully ask all the bishops of the Catholic Church to offer fraternal correction to Pope Francis for these scandals, and to warn their flocks that according to the divinely revealed teaching of the Catholic faith, they will risk eternal damnation if they follow his example of offending against the First Commandment. November 9th, 2019 In Festo dedicationis Basilicae Lateranensis “Terribilis est locus iste: hic domus Dei est et porta cæli; et vocabitur aula Dei” Protest against Pope Francis's sacrilegious acts CLICK HERE! Support the initiative! continued...
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Yes, he may have been asked, but he did not provide the specific answers/ rebuttals to all the points raised. Here, I would like to quote a commentator (Bear Tom) from Lifesitenews' article on this C. Burke interview: "People are getting more and more extreme in the response to what's going on in the Church". Of course, Cardinal, and why? Because bishops are doing nothing. They are not standing up against Bergoglio and his false teaching. 8 bishops have condemned Pachamama rituals in the Vatican!!! Where are the other 5,092 (5,100 in 2009) bishops? +
Compare what C.Burke said, with what Abp Lefebvre said: Burke: While the final document is less explicit in the embrace of pantheism, it does not repudiate the statements in the working document which constitute an apostasy from the Catholic faith. The working document doesn’t have doctrinal value. But what if the pope were to put his stamp on that document? People say if you don’t accept that, you’ll be in schism — and I maintain that I would not be in schism because the document contains elements that defect from the apostolic tradition. So my point would be the document is schismatic. I’m not. Douthat: But how can that be possible? You’re effectively implying that the pope would be leading a schism. Burke: Yes. --------- What do you feel about the mere thought of ending your life not reconciled with the Church? Archbishop Lefebvre: The only ones who can be considered outside the Church are those who do not have the Faith, because the fundamental reason for unity, in the Catholic Church, is the Faith. The ones who are causing schism are those who change the Faith. I am certain that I belong to the Catholic Church of all time, the eternal Church.... From your perspective, therefore, the pope is schismatic? Archbishop Lefebvre: Yes... perhaps... more or less. But the Assisi meeting is an extremely serious act. The pope’s job is to confirm the faith, and if he no longer fulfills his duty, what are we to do? Does the threat of excommunication by the current Catholic hierarchy really leave you indifferent? Archbishop Lefebvre: Absolutely indifferent. An excommunication decided by the current liberal government of the Church—what validity would it have? For more than a century, conservative popes have condemned and excommunicated men like Lamennais, Buonaiuti, and Loisy, because they were liberals and modernists. Now they are the ones in power in the Church and they want to excommunicate the traditionalists, in other words, the real Catholics. ------------ It is clear to me that C.Burke's stated standpoint is the exact same standpoint that Abp. Lefebvre held. +
But Cardinal Burke has not separated from the Pope and the Church. He has not formed SSPX and he has not disobeyed the Pope and consecrated Bishops disobediently. So his actions are holy and obedient to the Church. No comparison between the two. What are you thinking The Catholic Church is a hierarchy. Members of the hierarchy cannot act without the permission of those above them. We are all waiting on the Lord right now, along with Cardinal Burke, to see how the current crisis will unfold and how God Almighty will take care of His Church. We are waiting on the Lord!
Sg, No one should expect Cardinal Burke to answer for the actions or non-actions of the other bishops in the Church. Plus, I believe that the good cardinal is trying to encourage people to remain patient, to stay in control and to pray just as Our Lady has requested us to do numerous times. HeavenlyHost addressed this very well but I will simply state that Cardinal Burke's actions are entirely different than that of Archbishop Lefebvre, of course, their station in the church was/is different also so it is somewhat difficult to compare the two as apples to apples. HH, Well said, thank you. +
As I've shown in my post above, C. Burke has essentially argued the same points that Abp Lefebvre argued long ago. Surely, one can see that very clearly? Yes, C.Burke has not acted, but he has also said that he does not know what to do! Remember when C.Burke talked about the formal correction of PF? Whatever happened to that? No one in the hierarchy has the guts to take action against the wolf in chief shepherd's clothing. +
A 'pope' who worships idols is an apostate. He is no longer a Catholic, if ever he was one. He who is not Catholic cannot be the Pope. +
Yes, Cardinal Burke has stated that he doesn't know what to do because he has stated that Our Lord is absolutely not in favor of His Church going into schism. Amen! + What happened to the formal correction is probably related to the fact that so few clergymen are speaking up against these unorthodox actions of Pope Francis. In addition, Pope Francis has left wiggle room in that there is an orthodox interpretation of Amoris Laetitia including an orthodox interpretation for the Buenos Aires bishop's interpretation of chapter 8. So I don't believe that it is a matter of guts but a matter of there only being circumstantial evidence along with not enough support. He is the legitimate pope as Cardinal Burke has stated and we have to recognize this however frustrating this may be. In addition, they won't admit that they were worshipping idols. Some clergymen have outright lied about what occurred even though there is video evidence. Pray more, double up your prayers. Now, is the time to pray fervently. +
I think as the Church continues to suffer attacks by the Evil One and his earthly puppet's, he, the devil, will also find success in those who do not see the big picture of God's plan. His plan is clear. He allows for a time, to seemingly let evil have its day to flush out the evil in the hearts of many in the clergy and in the laity. The arrogance of the proud devils and humans is being unmasked for all who arbor truth. To often, our human weakness gets caught up in the whirl wind of apostasy we are witnessing and we forget God has a plan and it is being executed flawlessly. If we are praying, fasting partaking of the sacraments we should be at peace. God has already told us in scripture and through his prophets what to expect. I think the hard thing, is to believe and come to grips with the truth that he has chosen us, here today, alive in these times to fight the good fight. Sensationalism and play by play can be a real distraction to hearing and knowing what our part is in the battle and ultimate victory is. We have only just begun the battle! We don't even know when and how God will begin using us foot soldiers in his battle. Each of us has a mission and I sense we will only understand it through many rosaries. We have been told over and over again since Lourdes, how powerful the rosary will be in our victories. We have been told, "in the end only two things will remain, the sign in the sky and the rosary". Think about that! The rosary is the weapon of victory and the sign in the sky is our confirmation of God's victory over Satan and evil, which we have a big part in. We need to fully anticipate the seemingly defeat of the Church as we have known it to be. God will raise it up again and into the era of peace. We have his word on this. We have our Lady's word on this. Right now we are seeing some indicators of the church loosing ground. It is in the eyes of the world! It is all part of the purification and it has only just begun. Are we prepared for the heart of the battle when we will all be in our own little small world, perhaps doing battle by ourselves or with few around us against the evil surrounding us, while being protected from harm by the invisible world? I think about this more and more lately. I can count on one hand the number of people I know personally who are prepared to battle as aforementioned in my little world. Most clergy I know, in my part of the world, are not prepared for the battle I see waging. We have to be ready when God calls us to step out into the deep. As for me, the one thing I can do now is pray the rosary like St. Pope John Paul II did, unceasingly. That's my plan and I am sticking to it until the kingdom comes and his will shall be done on earth as it is in heaven into the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart and into the era of peace.
Well spoken, Fatima. This is all supposed to happen. We are not in control. The rosary is the weapon as Padre Pio said. As many as possible daily.
I am all for obeying our Blessed Mother in praying the rosary and I do it daily. I go to mass daily and have recently started praying the Divine Office. I keep the First Friday and First Saturday devotions. I pray the Angelus, the St Michael prayer, the guardian angel prayer and St Gertrude's prayer at least 2x a day. I abstain from meat on Fridays and make other small sacrifices daily, including skipping a meal on some days. I make the morning offering daily. I am not saying this because of pride, but there appears to be a need to dispel the doubts in the minds of those who seem to wonder if I do nothing but make arguments here. St Paul stood up to St Peter when Peter was in error. St Catherine wrote to the pope and urged him to action. I cannot help but speak out against error. When the 'pope' has apostatised, he is no longer the pope. I believe it is not above our pay grades to say so, because we are Catholics, baptised and confirmed, with the power of the Holy Spirit in us. We are the Church Militant. "By their fruits you shall know them."(Matthew 7:16) “Bear not the yoke with unbelievers. For what participation hath justice with injustice? Or what fellowship hath light and darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath the faithful with the unbeliever? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God; as God saith: I will dwell in them, and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore, Go out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing” (2 Cor. 6:14–17).
I find myself drawn to question how this will all play out? How is it that we will no longer have the valid Eucharist and only be left with our Rosaries? Does God in Heaven consider PF already in Schism? And any of the bishops and priests that side with him - are they already in schism and therefore not truly Catholic anymore and therefore unable to truly consecrate the Eucharist (perform the sacraments)? Or do you think that once an Amazonian rite takes hold and spreads will those Churches using that rite be considered by heaven to be pagan/apostate and therefore unable to truly consecrate the Eucharist because heaven no longer recognizes that rite? I know in my heart that I must be obedient to the office of the pope. But if the office of the pope becomes/remains apostate can it any longer be of Christ? I’m just asking questions regarding where this is all heading. I still think it will get worse before it gets better. I know our Lady says the rosary is the weapon. PF cannot alter the promises or power of the rosary. But how will we know if/when the consecration of the Eucharist is truly valid or not? When will we no longer be able to trust in this sacrament if we continue down this road? I don’t know if what I’m asking makes sense to anyone else but these are questions that I’m truly starting to ask.
We don’t know how exactly it will all play out. If we are in a state of grace, our lamps are lit, we pray the rosary, we will know. We stick with the teachings of the True Magisterium. God will lead us.
Mark, right now the Mass is valid. I think we need to be on alert when the words are changed in the Mass.
