The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. padraig

    padraig Powers

  2. padraig

    padraig Powers

  3. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Face say hello to palm.
     
  4. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Padraig,

    This article published by the Guardian, I believe, is not worth the cyberspace from which it can be read. It is written by one who neither understands Catholic teaching nor is able to express it. The main point of this laborious article is to portray a pointless, cataclysmic battle that can never return the Church back to the days of the previous two popes. The genie is out of the bottle due to Francis' courageous realism and the Church must face it to survive!:rolleyes: Yeesh!

    Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!
     
  5. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes Claves. Absolutely.
     
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  6. padraig

    padraig Powers

    The Guardian is ultra Liberal. But it is interesting to see how the rest of the world sees us.
     
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  7. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Who reads that stinking pile of failing, fake news? A bunch that are dying out with it, I suppose. Now that it no longer has a print edition, it can't even serve as emergency bog roll. I suppose we still have the Irish Times for that.
     
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  8. Booklady

    Booklady Powers

    The majority of the western world press is compromised. They are owned by the same conglomerates, whose aim is to diminish Christianity, and eventually destroy us. If you dig into the "parentage" of each news corporation, it leads back to approximately 6 huge conglomerates of news/entertainment/sports. Here's the U.S.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6

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  9. padraig

    padraig Powers

  10. padraig

    padraig Powers

    At least the internet gives us some freedom
     
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  11. Booklady

    Booklady Powers

    Yes, to some extent, however; the evil has also enmeshed certain sectors of the internet. For example the censorship of Christianity in social networks like Facebook, Twitter, and others. We are fortunate here at Mother of God, because our Mother rules, but she has been cast out at these other sites.
     
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  12. AED

    AED Powers

    Yes. Sadly.
     
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  13. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Actually I am surprised that this site is still going; I thought they would have closed it down years ago. But perhaps it is to small to bother about....I hope...
     
  14. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    We might be under the radar, or maybe they think our views are only worth laughing at, something to be mocked. The progressives are so smugly atheist and so dismissive of true religious belief that they fail to detect the danger that the Mohammedans present to their project. They have no idea that they are attempting to swing a tiger by the tail.
     
  15. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    Well, Mother Mary must be covering this site with her mantle :love:
     
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  16. sunburst

    sunburst Powers

     
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  17. jerry

    jerry Guest

    1. Great to see u adding in your own small way to the fake news. ☺
     
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  18. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Thank you for posting this; I am looking forward to watching!
     
  19. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    sunburst, Thank you for posting this, I think that it is very well done. I like that he states that he read the NY Times (at least once :LOL:), I see an Amazon box on his bookshelf and hopefully that is not a Siri but just an air freshener :LOL:. I am kidding in part but it shows that we all need to navigate through these things in the world, that is the point that I am trying to make because of the discussion of the MSM, etc. on this thread. I definitely want a statue of St. Michael the Archangel like Mr. Skojec's, that might be a great help!

    I liked hearing Mr. Skojec's perspective on the possibility of Pope Francis resigning, he states that this would be an easy way out for him and he hopes that this does not occur. I also like that he questioned why Cardinal Pell appears to be a sort of scapegoat (my words) and Mr. Skojec, like us all, is wondering what the Pope will do in regards to the Chilean bishops request for resignation and what it all means. In addition, Mr. Skojec also questions what the Pope's motivation could be for all of these very questionable things that have gone on during his papacy. Mr. Skojec wonders if it is for some sort of revenge.

    I think that it is very possible that what we are witnessing is part of the (minor) Chastisement. Mr Skojec brings up the issue that more than likely future popes will no longer be trusted the way that people once trusted our popes. :cry: It feels like a chastisement for sure when we are left with almost no one to trust but God. Maybe this is how God is calling the world back to him, maybe we are being prepared for of an awakening. This is just a small example but I believe that so many people (even many liberals) are questioning where they should get their news from now. Here on MOG, we all continue to wonder how much truth there is to these stories that we hear about Pope Francis. We know that he does not read the news but yet I am still left wondering why he creates so much confusion and the only explanation is that it is, in fact, part of a chastisement.

    Mr. Skojec read the following post from Father Hunwicke in the video, I thought it might be helpful to post it here,

    18 May 2018
    A very personal problem

    The Vatican has just put out a teaching document on economic matters. For me, personally, and I can speak for nobody else, this moment precisely epitomises the problem created by PF's misuse of the munus given him by God.

    At any time before 2013, I would have simply received such a document with docility. In a case like this present one, because it deals with matters in which I am not personally academically competent, I would have done my best to understand it, quite simply because (although not ex cathedra) it came to me with authority. I would have done my best to put myself into the position of being able to explain and commend it on this blog and to members of Christ's faithful people to whom I might find myself speaking or who, out of a misguided esteem for myself, asked me about it.

    But that is not how things can be now. For five years, PF has, arguably, played irresponsible games with the authority placed in his hands. He has - daily - pursued policies which are difficult to reconcile with a faithful following of our Most Holy Redeemer. In particular, he appears to have set himself to undermine the careful teaching of his predecessors, notably the last two, on the evils of moral relativism, and has publicly ignored appeals to bring clarity to these appearances. Unbelievably, the Successor of S Peter is seen by both admirers and critics as one who encourages souls for whom Christ died to be comfortable in a life of habitual adultery. He has impudently justified his conduct by talking about a God of Surprises. Hagan lios: he has had the temerity to go so far as to create 'a mess' in the Lord's Vineyard; and then to invite others to follow him.

    It was necessary, 1300 years ago, to say in sad condemnation of an earlier pope, that 'he has permitted the purity of the Church to be polluted'; that 'he has fostered heresy'. Because this has happened, we know that it can happen.

    If ... may God grant it ... from this very moment onwards PF's pontificate were to be a model of humble repentance and of chastened discipleship ... then, indeed, laus Deo; but it would inevitably still take a time for it to become apparent Urbi et Orbi that this sea-change had taken place.

    Whether under this pontiff or another, it may be years before one can again receive teaching emerging from the Vatican in the old simple, childlike, obedient trust; with open and willing ears. There will long be the nagging, destabilising, anxiety that, in such very extraordinary times, the chill bonds of conscience and of duty might require one dokimazein ta pneumata.

    This is the measure of the catastrophic damage which Jorge Bergoglio has done to his great Office of maintaining the Depositum Fidei by being a remora against the assaults of Novelty. In Blessed John Henry Newman's language, we feel less securely under our feet the rock of the soliditas cathedrae Petri. It may take decades, at the least, for the good God to heal this insecurity.

    Posted by Fr John Hunwicke at 10:20 19 comments: [​IMG]
    I pray that it doesn't take decades to heal this insecurity that Pope Francis appears to have created.
     
    Last edited: May 23, 2018
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  20. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    My apologies, I must have been thinking of the (English) Independent and somehow conflated the two. Thanks for the correction, and I was delighted to research the paper in order to find that it is in chronic financial difficulty. At least it retains its aforementioned lavatorial usefulness!
     
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