I know of these words from St Pio. I've kept this in my heart since I first read about it. Did he say why it is valid, do you know?
Jarg, Cardinal Sarah is wonderful. So many things have occurred in the Church since May 16th, 2016, I wonder what Cardinal Sarah is thinking now. He also stated the following during that speech he gave at the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast in D.C., "This is why it is so important to fight to protect the family, the first cell of the life of the Church and every society. This is not about abstract ideas. It is not an ideological war between competing ideas. This is about defending ourselves, children and future generations from a demonic ideology that says children do not need mothers and fathers. It denies human nature and wants to cut off entire generations from God. " This a link to Cardinal Sarah's entire speech from that day, https://s3.amazonaws.com/ncpb/platform/wp-content/uploads/Cardinal-Sarah-Keynote_2016-NCPB.pdf HH, I have often wondered about this and that fact that Conchita stated, “When communism comes again everything will happen.” http://www.1260.org/Mary/Apparitions_Garabandal/Garabandal_Apparitions_Communism_Comes_again_en.htm ______________ Sg, Yes, the Novus Ordo mass is valid. I'm praying for you.
I'm not trying to be difficult or stubborn. It is a sincere question/ doubt. How do we/ can we know that it is valid despite the extreme changes instituted when compared to the TLM, the mass of all ages? PS - I do appreciate the prayers, Carol.
Just gave up reading Mark M second writing on pope. Of course the man who had a clear vision of the confusion was 'angry' like the elder brother in the prodigal son. My dear Mark how very disappointing and shallow of you. Usually you write in beautiful simple strokes that recall the image of the saviour as the good shepherd. Sad to say this writing is terrible - truly awful. Hidden within the story is your with a capital Y judgement on those who fear that what we see and hear may be true. The wise priest and young man considering a vocation are self controlled and gentle while poor hot headed loud mouth Bill is almost out of control even calling the Holy father by his Christian name. You have wasted a great opportunity to speak accompany if you like those who have deep questions on their hearts. I wonder how you would respond to St Catherine would you dare to use a shadow to dull the brilliance of her love for God and his church? Please spare me the reported private comments of Cardinal Sarah or any other white martyr of the church. Time fast approaches for us to stand with or against truth. I don't need to yell or broadcast my rejection of anything contrary to the holy teachings of truth. For me truth has a name and is a person it is Jesus Christ my lord and saviour. An idol? No truth is not nor can ever be an idol. It the way.. Truth...life. I pray every day that I may come to the father through Jesus. Lord thy will be done. Grant us each one a sinner the beauty of your countenance. Save us oh lord from thine enemy defend us. Mary most holy in this month of flowers we entrust to you all. Let nothing disturb us or deter us from the way.
The Mass is valid because the priest is properly ordained and the words of consecration are valid. While Latin was the language for Mass in the Latin Church for centuries, it has never been the case that Mass said in another language was or is invalid. I don't think that receiving in the hand has always been the practice, so receiving in the hand can't be an abuse. In my opinion, the changes which contributed to the lack of reference and belief in the Real Presence (i.e. Protestantising the Mass) were: the priest facing the congregation the removal of altar rails laity taking on the role of the priest in the Liturgy of the Word Whether or not the above three changes brought us further or closer to how Mass was celebrated in the early Church, they have served to remove the focus from the Creator and on to the created. Possibly none of the changes would have had such devastating results had they not been accompanied by priests and others with a teaching role undermining the Faith in their interactions with the faithful. While I'm happy to attend Mass in any language, I can't help but think that had our hierarchy put as much effort into eliminating child abuse as they did to eliminating the old Mass, the Church, certainly in Ireland, wouldn't be in such a crisis.
Sg, Your welcome, please pray for me also. Well, we have gone through this already. My very short answer is that Pope Paul VI was a valid pope and therefore, the Novus Ordo Mass is valid since he approved it.
Are these really the only requirements for a valid consecration? Again, is that all that is required? Could he have made an error in that? Or does that fall into the 'ex-cathedra' category?
Sg, Yes to my answer and that the priest consecrating has been validly ordained and he has intent to perform a valid mass along with proper matter and form. These things must be the case for either form of the mass to be valid. From EWTN on a valid mass, Valid. A Mass in which 1) the matter (wheat bread and grape wine), 2) the essential form (This is My Body; This My Blood), and 3) the intention of the celebrant to do what the Church does (even if poorly formed, held with doubts, but at least not contradicted) is present. http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage.asp?number=317276
I know it is valid Many priests and the Popes have said so and have celebrated it according to Church canons Extraordinary Ministers are sanctioned by Church Laws and Canons People who do not accept this usually go to the TLM and if they go to NO, they receive from the priest We have options now There are some things that cannot be changed by us Some things we bring to the Lord in prayer He alone can help us with our doubts So hopefully we can put the validity of the NO Mass to rest Bishop Sample’s comments can be found on twitter Fr Kevin M Cusick’s account There is also a YouTube video of the Pontifical Mass last Saturday on that account Fr Kevin was one of the priests distributing Holy Communion Msgr Charles Pope was there also A good read is the Catholic Catechism And also EWTN as linked previously Great sources!
You don’t need a twitter account to access Fr Cusick Just search “Fr Kevin M Cusick on twitter” and you will be able to access it
Ok. I'll do that. But I can't forget the third secret of Fatima, and how it was to have been released not later than 1960, because "it would become clearer then". Coinciding with Vatican II. What had Our Lady wanted to warn us about?
The Novus Ordo can be valid if it is done properly. It has been looked into by many, many theologians and other experts. Even theologians who are entrenched Traditional Catholics believe this. The SSPX did a thorough investigation of this matter as well to make sure it was valid. Most extremists and groups who have broken away from the Church even admit this. On top of that we have many Eucharistic miracles. The only people who don't admit it are a few sedevacantists. Stay away from them. Far away.
Well I was alive back then and my friends and I were all speculating We’re still speculating You’re still speculating I think Our Lady came to Akita to warn us and we can take that as approved We can also read LaSalette They are approved
No kidding huh!! The thing that gets me is the promptitude in which meeting with the Pope supersedes the traditional Catholic concerns held by traditional Catholic Bishops and Cardinal.
I found this posted on onepeterfive: Pontifical Mass With Archbishop Sample in DC: Photos, Video, Audio, and Homily Transcript https://onepeterfive.com/pontifical...-dc-photos-video-audio-and-homily-transcript/ This is part of the transcript of Abp Sample's homily: [00:06:38] Now I do not want to be misunderstood. I am not at all calling into question the liturgical reform that was actually called for by the Second Vatican Council. Nor am I calling into question the legitimacy the validity or even the goodness of the missal promulgated by Blessed Paul VI. But perhaps in the actual implementation of the council’s directives not everything that occurred has borne good fruit. And certainly through liturgical abuses other aberrations or simply a poor ars celebrandi the Ordinary Form of the Roman right has too often been disfigured and has been experienced as a rupture with our liturgical past. Steve Skojec's comments: "Where I would digress from the Archbishops’ thoughts somewhat was in his insistence that he was not “calling into question the legitimacy the validity or even the goodness of the missal promulgated by Blessed Paul VI” or in his emphasis on Benedict XVI’s insistence that there is “no contradiction between the two editions of the Roman Missal. In the history of the liturgy, there is growth and progress, but no rupture”. I think that most of us in the liturgical trenches not only question the “goodness” of the missal of Paul VI, but know very well by experience that there was indeed rupture — and that the so-called “hermeneutic of continuity” is, sadly, little more than wishful thinking." The following is a comment below the article by someone named Matt: I think that Archbishop Sample’s position requires a lot of diplomacy in this area, considering that the Novus Ordo is the rite of the overwhelming majority of his people here in Oregon. That said, who could possibly see any hope or future in the dreary New Mass? I suspect he’s being polite, because he has said elsewhere that he actually felt like a priest when he started celebrating the TLM. That’s a pretty explosive statement when you think about it.
Not in the fashion in which they are currently used in 98% of masses in the USA. http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html [157.] If there is usually present a sufficient number of sacred ministers for the distribution of Holy Communion, extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion may not be appointed. Indeed, in such circumstances, those who may have already been appointed to this ministry should not exercise it. The practice of those Priests is reprobated who, even though present at the celebration, abstain from distributing Communion and hand this function over to laypersons.[258] [158.] Indeed, the extraordinary minister of Holy Communion may administer Communion only when the Priest and Deacon are lacking, when the Priest is prevented by weakness or advanced age or some other genuine reason, or when the number of faithful coming to Communion is so great that the very celebration of Mass would be unduly prolonged.[259] This, however, is to be understood in such a way that a brief prolongation, considering the circumstances and culture of the place, is not at all a sufficient reason. [159.] It is never allowed for the extraordinary minister of Holy Communion to delegate anyone else to administer the Eucharist, as for example a parent or spouse or child of the sick person who is the communicant. [160.] Let the diocesan Bishop give renewed consideration to the practice in recent years regarding this matter, and if circumstances call for it, let him correct it or define it more precisely. Where such extraordinary ministers are appointed in a widespread manner out of true necessity, the diocesan Bishop should issue special norms by which he determines the manner in which this function is to be carried out in accordance with the law, bearing in mind the tradition of the Church.
These prophesy the apostasy in the Church, do they not? That doesn't make things better with regards the Novus Ordo mass.
Yes, it can. But the vast majority of celebrations of the Novus Ordo are illicit. If 98% of masses use Extraordinary Eucharistic ministers outside of the guidelines from the Vatican above (they do, at EVERY Novus Ordo mass I’ve attended all over the USA - with very rare exceptions like at EWTN or Latin celebrations of the Novus Ordo that deliberately avoid abuses) then they are ALL illicit. This is merely ONE liturgical abuse that makes Novus Ordo masses illicit, among many. One does not need to worry about that at the TLM.
An illicit Mass is still valid. The pastor/priest/celebrant is responsible for following the norms and guidelines for use of EMHC.
