The Vatican Has Fallen

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  1. BrianK

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  2. HeavenlyHosts

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    This man breaks it down in a simple and forthright manner
    Love this article
    Well done
    Thanks for sharing
     
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  3. Mary's child

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    No Rose colored glasses on this writer...WOW. Thank you for sharing with us.
     
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  4. BrianK

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    https://onepeterfive.com/popes-new-book-features-preface-by-lgbt-gender-theory-activist/

    Pope’s New Book Features Preface by LGBT & Gender Theory Activist
    Steve Skojec September 27, 2017 11 Comments
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    In February, 2016, Pope Francis told journalists in Poland on the occasion of his meeting with bishops for World Youth Day that the ideology of “gender” is a form of “ideological colonization”.

    Today children – children! – are taught in school that everyone can choose his or her sex. Why are they teaching this? Because the books are provided by the persons and institutions that give you money. These forms of ideological colonization are also supported by influential countries. And this terrible!

    In October, 2016, he reiterated this criticism, condemning the “indoctrination of gender theory”, going on to say of transgenderism, “It is one thing for a person to have this tendency, this option and even to have a sex change, but it is another thing to teach this in schools in order to change mentalities. This I call ideological colonisation”.

    And yet a new book on education by Pope Francis is scheduled to be released tomorrow, September 28, 2017. Entitled, Learn to Learn. Reflections on Education Issues (Imparare ad imparare. Riflessioni sui temi dell’educazione), the book features a preface by Valeria Fedeli, the Italian Minister of Education, University, and Research – who is also a vocal LGBT and gender theory advocate.

    According to pro-traditional family organization Generazione Famiglia, in recent years, Fedeli has been “undoubtedly the most tenacious and ideological supporter of the manipulation of school programs of every order and degree according to the dictates of gender theories,” a goal the organization claims she has attempted to pursue through legislation.

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    Italian Education Minister Valeria Fedeli. CC Image courtesy of Lingotto Torino on Flickr

    According to Gaypost.it — a publication describing itself as being composed of “a group of journalists, journalists, bloggers, LGBT militants, and common people” with the goal of advocacy for “gays, lesbians, bisexuals, trans and intersex people, their families, and women” — the Italian “gay community” received her appointment as “good news”, recalling her work as signatory on a bill “for the introduction of gender education in schools to counteract violence against women, stereotypes and discrimination against people of all sexual orientation and gender identity.” Gaypost.it notes that it was Catholic “fundamentalist organizations” who opposed that initiative, and called Fedeli’s appointment an “outrage to the people”.

    So where does this leave Pope Francis?

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    Above: Francis Meets with Emma Bonino. Below: Bonino at work with her bicycle pump abortion machine.

    Is this like the case of Emma Bonino, another Italian politician who was the country’s most notorious abortionist — who claims to have performed as many as 10,000 abortions in a single year, many with a device improvised from a bicycle pump — whom Francis considers “among the great ones of today’s Italy” and a personal friend?

    In an interview with Corriere della Sera, the pope said of Bonino, “They say: ‘This is a person who thinks very differently from us [Catholics].’ True, but never mind. We have to look at people, at what they do”.

    In this sense, news of the author of the book’s preface is entirely consistent with the pope’s thinking. For in the same press conference in October of 2016, Francis also told the story of a Spanish couple he met with in an audience at the Vatican in 2015:

    The husband was born a girl, but always felt like a boy. When she was in her 20s, she told her mother she wanted a sex change operation, but the mother begged her not to do it as long as she was alive. When her mother died, she had the surgery, the Pope said.

    A Spanish bishop, “a good bishop,” spent time a lot of time “to accompany this man,” who later married, the Pope said. They asked to come to the Vatican “and I received them and they were very happy.”

    In the town where the man lived, he said, a new priest, “when he would see him would shout at him from the sidewalk, ‘You will go to hell!’ But when he’d meet his old priest, he would say to him, ‘How long has it been since you’ve confessed? Come on, confess so you can take Communion.’”

    “Do you understand?” the Pope asked the journalists. “Life is life and you must take things as they come. Sin is sin. And tendencies or hormonal imbalances” create problems “and you cannot say, ‘it’s all the same, let’s throw a party.’ No.”

    Welcome the person, study the situation, accompany the person and integrate him or her into the life of the community, the Pope said. “This is what Jesus would do today.”

    It appears that when it comes to the ideological colonization of children he condemns, his actual philosophy is a far more familiar one: “Who am I to judge?”
     
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  5. dcana

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    I'm sorry, Praetorian - I shouldn't have implied that you thought so. I'm sure you did not. :)
     
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  6. Praetorian

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    No, I'm glad you mentioned it because someone else might have thought I meant that. I try to be very clear with what I post, but sometimes I don't do a great job :confused:
     
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    Home > Bulletin > Pubblico > 2017 > 09

    Audience with the national Directors of the pastoral care of migrants, participating in the Meeting organised by the Council of Episcopal Conferences of Europe (CCEE) (Rome, 21-23 September 2017), 22.09.2017

    At 12.15 today, in the Clementine Hall of the Apostolic Palace, the Holy Father Francis received in audience the national Directors of pastoral care for migrants, participating in the Meeting organised by the Council of European Episcopal Conferences (CCEE), currently being held in Rome at the Bonus Pastor, from 21 to 23 September 2017.

    The following is the Pope’s address to those present:



    Address of the Holy Father



    "Dear friends, I cannot fail to express my concern about manifestations of intolerance, discrimination and xenophobia that have appeared in various parts of Europe. Often this reaction is motivated by mistrust and fear of the other, the foreigner, those who are different. I am even more worried about the disturbing fact that our Catholic communities in Europe are not exempt from these defensive and negative reactions, supposedly justified by a vague moral obligation to preserve an established religious and cultural identity. The Church has spread to all continents thanks to the “migration” of missionaries convinced of the universality of the saving message of Jesus Christ, meant for men and women of every culture. Throughout the history of the Church, there have been temptations to exclusivity and cultural rigidity, but the Holy Spirit has always helped overcome them by ensuring constant openness to others, viewed as a positive opportunity for growth and enrichment.

    I am sure that the Holy Spirit also helps us today to maintain a confident attitude of openness, capable of surmounting every barrier and breaking down every wall.

    In listening attentively to the particular Churches in Europe, I sense a deep unease about the massive influx of migrants and refugees. That unease needs to be acknowledged and appreciated in the light of this moment of history, marked by an economic crisis that has left deep wounds. It has also been aggravated by the sheer size and makeup of the continuing waves of migrants, the general unpreparedness of the countries that receive them, and by often inadequate national and community policies. But the unease is also indicative of the limits of the process of European unification, and points up the obstacles hindering the concrete application of universal human rights and the expression of that integral humanism which is among the finest fruits of European civilization. For Christians all these factors must be interpreted, in opposition to a self-enclosed and secularist mentality, in the light of the unique, God-given dignity of each human person.

    From a distinctively ecclesiological perspective, the arrival of great numbers of our brothers and sisters in the faith offers the Churches in Europe yet another opportunity to embody fully its catholicity, which, as we profess in the creed each Sunday, is a fundamental mark of the Church. In recent years, many dioceses in Europe have already found themselves enriched by the presence of Catholic immigrants who have brought with them their devotions, and their liturgical and apostolic enthusiasm.

    From a missionary perspective, the current influx of migrants can be seen as a new “frontier” for mission, a privileged opportunity to proclaim Jesus Christ and the Gospel message at home, and to bear concrete witness to the Christian faith in a spirit of charity and profound esteem for other religious communities. The encounter with migrants and refugees of other denominations and religions represents a fertile ground for the growth of open and enriching ecumenical and interreligious dialogue.

    In my Message for the 2018 World Day of Migrants and Refugees, I suggested that our pastoral response to the challenges of contemporary movements of migration can be expressed by four verbs: to welcome, to protect, to promote and to integrate. Welcoming means expanding legal and secure programmes of reception for those who arrive, as well as offering suitable and dignified accommodations that guarantee their personal safety and access to basic services. Protecting involves offering trustworthy and verified information to migrants and refugees prior to their departure, defending their basic rights independent of their legal status, and watching over the most vulnerable, the young children. Promoting essentially means ensuring the conditions for the integral human development of all, migrants and natives alike. Integrating entails expanding opportunities for intercultural encounter, fostering mutual enrichment and promoting active citizenship.




    Once again, I express my appreciation of your generous commitment to the complex and urgent work of offering pastoral care to migrants. I assure you of my prayers for your intentions, and I ask you, please, not to forget to pray for me."





    Some of above edited out for space purposes:

    I find it very difficult to interpret the emboldened lines as anything other than a call to abandon our religion and submit to Islam for our own growth and enrichment. What else is supposed to be meant by stating that a moral obligation to preserve an established religious and cultural identity is 'defensive' and 'negative'?

    This pope certainly needs our prayers.
     
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  8. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/seattle-archdiocese-settles-another-sex-abuse-suit

    by Stephen Wynne • ChurchMilitant.com • September 27, 2017 5 Comments
    Archdiocese pays heavy price for allowing gay subculture to fester

    SEATTLE (ChurchMilitant.com) - Washington state Catholics are out more than $1 million after being forced to finance another sex-abuse payout.

    Last week, the archdiocese of Seattle forked over $1.3 million to settle a 2015 sex-abuse lawsuit, involving one of its teachers, Edward Courtney of the Congregation of Christian Brothers.

    According to the suit, after landing a position at an archdiocesan school in 1974, Courtney developed a reputation for "bothering" the young men in his care. His "problems" with male students led Seattle church officials to transfer him to a different archdiocesan school. Later, though allegedly aware of Courtney's pederastic abuse of adolescent males, Church officials green-lighted him for a position at a Tacoma-area public school, where the plaintiff was enrolled.

    Courtney is accused of abusing at least 52 minors over three decades. His conduct helped drive his order into bankruptcy in 2011.

    Courtney's case is one of many that have rocked the Seattle archdiocese in recent years. In 2016, local Church officials released a list of 77 religious — "priests, brothers, deacons and a nun" — involved in the sexual abuse of minors over the past several decades. All told, the archdiocese of Seattle has paid out more than $50 million to settle more than 150 sex abuse claims.

    These are the fruits of unfettered homosexuality among the clergy and religious, another symptom of a crisis that has not yet been addressed.

    Courtney's crimes occurred under the watch of Raymond Hunthausen, archbishop of Seattle from 1975–1991, a theological liberal renowned for his embrace of gay activism as far back as the mid-1970s.

    In 1976, Hunthausen attended Detroit's dissident Call to Action conference, convened "to discuss ways to reform Church teaching on priestly celibacy, female ordination, contraception, homosexuality and lay involvement in the Church."

    Call to Action concluded by asking bishops to "take the recommendations to their home dioceses and implement the reforms."

    And that's just what Hunthausen did. Returning to Washington, he began applying Call to Action's heterodox agenda throughout his archdiocese.

    In 1977, Hunthausen endorsed Seattle's inaugural Gay Pride Week. He went on to suggest that homosexual acts were not necessarily intrinsically wrong.

    Hunthausen allowed the dissident gay Catholic group Dignity to close its annual conference being held in Seattle with Mass at St. James Cathedral, the flagship church of his archdiocese. He intended to welcome participants personally, but before the conference opened, he was summoned to Rome. In lieu of a personal appearance, he left an audio recording, welcoming participants at the beginning of Dignity's gay Mass.

    By the early 1980s, word of Hunthausen's heterodoxy reached Rome. The Vatican launched an investigation. Spearheaded by Cdl. Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the investigation determined Hunthausen was in violation of Church teaching in several areas, including his approach to homosexuality. This resulted in a 1985 letter recommending specific changes to Hunthausen's pastoral practices. The archbishop ignored most of Ratzinger's recommendations, including his approach to homosexuality.

    The Vatican lodged other attempts to rein in the archbishop's radicalism, including appointing Donald Wuerl as auxiliary bishop in 1986, but to little effect. In the end, Hunthausen was allowed to remain at his post until his retirement in 1991.

    By then, it was too late for many of Seattle's young Catholics. Brother Edward Courtney and dozens of other pederasts had already left their mark.
     
  9. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Why does it seem that the leadership of the Church resolutely refuses to allow local and in some cases federal government and law enforcement to deal with these men?

    It would be like knowing your neighbor is a pedophile and seeing another neighbor drop their children at his daycare each morning yet doing nothing to warn him of the danger.
     
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  10. DeGaulle

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    A cynic might suspect that they wish to encourage this kind of behaviour. Of course, we all know this would never be the case (walks away, whistling past the graveyard...).
     
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  13. And here I thought Pope Francis hated gossip!

    Cardinal Müller: there is a climate of ‘fear’ in the Curia


    There is a climate of fear in the Curia as people worry “spies” will bad-mouth them to the Pope, the former Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has said.

    In an extensive interview with National Catholic Register, Cardinal Gerhard Müller said Pope Francis is surrounded by “false friends” who are acting like children in a boarding school by privately denouncing people they disagree with.

    “I heard it from some houses here, that people working in the Curia are living in great fear: If they say one small or harmless critical word, some spies will pass the comments directly to the Holy Father, and the falsely accused people don’t have any chance to defend themselves,” the cardinal said.

    “These people, who are speaking bad words and lies against other persons, are disturbing and disrupting the good faith, the good name of others whom they are calling their brothers.”

    Cardinal Müller said this was happening not just in the Curia, but also in colleges and universities, where people who question Amoris Laetitia, particularly the much-discussed Footnote 351, put their careers in jeopardy.

    “It’s the same in some theological faculties — if anybody has any remarks or questions about Amoris Laetitia, they will be expelled, and so on. That is not maturity. A certain interpretation of the document’s Footnote 351 cannot be criteria for becoming a bishop.”

    .......
    “It is a very big danger for the Church that some ideological groups present themselves as the exclusive guardians of the only true interpretation of Amoris Laetitia. They feel they have the right to condemn all people of another standpoint as stupid, rigid, old-fashioned, medieval, etc.

    .....
    “Nobody can, for example, say Cardinal Caffarra didn’t understand anything of moral theology. Sometimes the un-Christian behaviour is printed in L’Osservatore Romano, the semi-official Vatican newspaper, or given in official organs of the media, to make polemics and rhetoric. This cannot help us in this situation — only a profound theological discussion will.”

    Pope Francis, he added, should have granted an audience to the cardinals who submitted the dubia.

    “The best thing would have been for the Holy Father to have had an audience before their publication. Now we have the spectacle of a trial of strength. It’s better to speak before and to deepen the questions and give good answers,” the cardinal said.

    “A possibility of the solution could be a group of cardinals engaged by the Holy Father to begin a theological disputation with some prominent representatives of the dubia and the “corrections” about the different and sometimes controversial interpretation of some statements in Chapter 8 of Amoris Laetitia.”

    ........
    “In Amoris Laetitia there’s no new doctrine or explication of some juridical points of the doctrine, but an acceptance of the doctrine of the Church and the sacraments. The only question is their pastoral application in extraordinary situations.”

    Asked about his sacking earlier this year, Cardinal Müller maintained that he received no explanation as to why he was dismissed.

    “The Pope only saw me at a routine private audience, at the end of my term, to discuss the work of the congregation, and said, “That is all.” All other explanations in the mass media are speculations,” he said.

    “It is true that some time ago the Pope told me that some of his “friends” had been saying that “Müller is an enemy of the Pope.” I suppose these were anonymous accusations, and the anonymity of the accusers suggests that they were not prepared to have their arguments exposed to the light of honest and open discussion.”


    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/new...ller-there-is-a-climate-of-fear-in-the-curia/
     
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  14. Carol55

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    etoa, Thank you for posting this article. It "all" continues to be extremely troubling.

    In reference to the dubia I think that everyone agrees with Cardinal Muller that, “The best thing would have been for the Holy Father to have had an audience before their publication."

    I don't want to "read into" Cardinal Muller's statements too much but it almost appears that he is making a statement of "I told you so" to the Pope. It makes me wonder who started the rumors that he is an enemy of the Pope, maybe the same individuals who started the rumors of why he was replaced as Prefect of the CDF. Is it possible that Cardinal Muller and Pope Francis were both seen as obstacles to someone else's agenda, maybe the certain pack of wolves that Pope Benedict himself has mentioned.

    Well no matter what has happened in the past, the Pope can't go back in time and change anything. I pray that he will take the advice that Cardinal Muller appears to be giving him to have a debate over the concerns with AL,

    “A possibility of the solution could be a group of cardinals engaged by the Holy Father to begin a theological disputation with some prominent representatives of the dubia and the “corrections” about the different and sometimes controversial interpretation of some statements in Chapter 8 of Amoris Laetitia.”

     
  15. BrianK

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  16. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Wow, these videos are well done!

    I haven't given up complete hope on the Pope. Maybe Cardinal Muller is offering him a lifeline in the way of a suggested debate. If he doesn't accept this lifeline (or Hail Mary pass) then I don't know?????
     
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  17. HeavenlyHosts

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    Brian, what a great video!!!!!!!!
     
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  19. DeGaulle

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    What a manly religion Catholicism used to be. Now, we're rigid and negative if we don't proffer a generous piece of neck to a Mohammedan cut-throat.
     
  20. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I posted this on Facebook. He who sings argues ten times as well.:D

    Sigh. The whole thing is so sad , beyond sad. We might as well have some fun as we go along.:)
     
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