I personally don't believe in aliens, beings like us, I mean. Moreover, I suppose there is a big chance that there could be trees, water and some kind of life (no more than animal-like, though) out there. Anyway, here in Italy we have a curious seer, his name is Giorgio Bongiovanni, he allegedly had been left with stigmata after having received a vision of the Virgin Mary during a pilgrimage to Fatima in 1989, and here is what he wants us to learn from him: - Giorgio has the important task of spreading the truth about Fatima and the other intelligent beings. - We're not alone in the universe. - We're currently visited by other beings, which appear everyday in the sky. - There are some planets with civilization less advanced than ours and others, which currently visit us, much more advanced (4 billion years ahead). - Aliens will save the good guys and every child during the upcoming catastrophes, by teleporting them into their ships and by temporarily bringing them to one of the satellites of a planet of our solar system. - The survivors will populate Earth again, among with some other alien species if they'll be few in number. - The third secret of Fatima involves the existence of other intelligent beings. - Jesus redeemed other beings from other planets, by incarnating there. - Jesus is loved and served in the majority of the Universe. - Archangel Michael is a much evolved alien being, the supreme commander of the ufo fleet we usually see in the sky. He's name is Ashtar Sheran (not the badass from Star Wars). - Angels with cute wings don't exist, that's a medieval thing. The motto is: Angels of yesterday, Extraterrestrials of today. - It isn't important what you believe in, but what you do. - Satan is a fallen being under trial, he'll come back to God after many years of suffering and purification. - Satan is a funny guy, but he's a tool of God, so he has to tempt humanity to redeem himself. - An eternal place of suffering (hell) doesn't exist, only a primordial state of the soul, called "second death". - Humanity evolves through the process of reincarnation. The first form of life for a soul, is a stone. Then a vegetable. Then an animal. Then an intelligent being. Then I don't remember. If you're a bad guy, you'll go back to stone. It's the circle of life. - Those whom, during the final moments of the last tribulation, won't be willing to stand on the side of the Christic Light (?), they'll be teleported to a planet where they'll start their evolution again, and where there'll be weeping and gnashing of teeth. - In Mars there is life. At a superior frequency of awareness, invisible to our eyes, but there is. - Jesus is only one of the masters which helped humanity with his evolution, among with Buddha, and so on. - Giorgio the reincarnation of Nibiru Arat Ra (play some Stargate theme here). - Jesus is the spirit of the Sun. - God is Adonay Arat Ra, the spirit of the universe. - Giorgio is also the reincarnation of one of the little seers of Fatima (two is better than one). - Giorgio finally is the reincarnation of John the apostle (in order to not to miss anything). - The Church is wrong. - In the new era, a new school of though will be practices by everyone, and religions will be banned. Well, it took quite a long time but I think it was worth it, for future reference. I summed in a good number of points what you could learn from this "seer" in weeks. Bongiovanni is well know here in Italy among the followers of UFO, New Age, Marian apparitions and so on. When I read that, allegedly, according to one of the Garabandal seers, Jesus redeemed other human-like intelligent beings, I couldn't think of anything other than a HUGE red alert, given that this is one of the focal points upheld by the good Giorgio, around which he builds his theories. But I believe in Garabandal's authenticity, as it obviously has nothing to do with our friend.
The problem I see here is some of your question, questions are based on assumptions - to be blunt I don't know, but to entertain the idea in general regarding the above quote, highlighted in bold. "are like men" does not infer that they are made in the Image of God. likened to; for example: "Monkeys are like humans." "tainted alike" This would suggest they? have rational moral free will. "redeemed by Christ" In what way? - - assumptions! It's quite a circular argument. God bless!
No, no, no Mac. " 'Come in to my chamber,' said the spider to the fly" is your favourite strategy not mine . But lets not forget...you've artfully, yet in vain, side-stepped the question. Tell us more... Heedefreid and Garabandal remember .
Medjuogrje and Bayside prophecies gave some insights about the existence of Extra Terrestials, however, they contradict the Garabandal messages as beings like men. "That is not for you to know now." - Our Lady Of Medjugorje " Ah, My child, this you may not understand. These are not ordinary spirits; these are the demons from hell: Satan's cohorts, and satan himself. He is also on one of the transports. "There is a reason they must use the transports. I will not go into it at this time, for I am sure it would befog the mind of any scientist should I give this knowledge to them before they are ready for it." - Our Lady of the Roses, November 1, 1985 Our Lady - "Be not afeared, for you are being allowed to see what satan plans to delude mankind with. There is no life as you know it, or human being, or otherwise, upon another planet. The creation of the Father has been given to you in the Book of love and life. Do not fantasize of life on other planets, My children. It is a falsehood. Were it not so you would have been told, for the Father hides nothing from His children. He created man, known Adam and Eve, and as such they were the first of your--of the Father's creation. You may say, your first mother and father symbol." - Our Lady of the Roses, September 28, 1974
This is totally made up but...if the "created one" needed to speed up our technology for his final hurrah. Couldn't he have produced aliens so that our technology may grow at a quicker rate. Drop a few spaceships here and there and next thing you know we have fiberoptics. People might think im wacky but you never know. Anyways it could be a good movie Stephen "al" spelberg
Marian apparitions often involve complications at the local diocese, and a letter of approval or disapproval from a local bishop, does not automatically signal approval or denial. A recent example is the apparitions of Our Lady of Kibeho in the 1980s in Kibeho, Rwanda. In 1982 the teenagers who saw the visions reported truly gruesome sights and said that the Virgin Mary asked everyone to pray to prevent a terrible war. Some today regard the visions as an ominous foreshadowing of the Rwandan Genocide of 1994, and particularly in that specific location in 1995, where some teenagers died a decade after their vision. The apparitions were accepted by the local bishop (accused by many of complicity in the genocide himself), but have not been given final approval by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
Is this where your name comes from?... This is not heretical as much as reckless and dangerous. No spiritual director would tell you to call out an unknown angel by name like that. Only Michael, Raphael and Gabriel should be addressed by name since they are the only names we know. Who is Tomdarius? Is he an angel? A demon? Should we call out to something when we don't know what it is? There is a good reason that the Church's cultus of saints and angels consists of those who have some sort of formal recognition of being part of the City of God.
Why ask a rhetorical question? Will it matter if I answer your accusations since you have already condemned the messages of Veronica Leuken? And judge my name altogether? It may be authentic or not, but since it's the Vatican who has the final say, who are you to conclusively say that it is reckless and dangerous? Do you expect others to be like you? Acting as if all omniscient? Remember Garabandal was once condemned by the local Bishop in 1965, and the succeeding 5 bishops thereafter. Stick to the issue. If your counter-argument is to belie other seers who have shown predilection to the Mother of God and to the Eucharist and selectively attacking messages that are hard for you to understand, then your beliefs in Garabandal prophecies make you a laughing stock by condemning other visions that are neither approved or condemned as yet!
Isn't it always interesting that when we think of aliens we automatically think that this alien life will be highly advanced and come with live-saving technology for us. I think Hollywood is mostly responsible for this line of reasoning. If - and it's a big if for reasons that I am about to cite - we ever find alien life, I doubt it will be much more than a few microbes. And even that is doubtful. Something that Catholic microbiologist Michael Behe wrote in The Edge of Evolution may be worth citing here: Decades ago the late astronomer Carl Sagan derided the Earth’s location as a galactic backwater. But with the progress of science we now see that a planet suitable for life can’t be too close to the center of things. Far from being a backwater, Earth’s location is ideal for complex life. A planet in the right region of a solar system, in the right region of a galaxy, in a universe with the right kinds of laws to produce chemicals with the right kinds of properties—this is all necessary for life, but still very far from sufficient. The planet itself has to be not too big and not too small, with enough but not too much water, the right kind of minerals in the right places, a core active enough to power plate tectonics but not so active as to blow everything apart, and much, much more. Some of these factors considered in isolation may be less improbable, others more improbable, but all are critical. If any one of them were missing, intelligent life would be precluded. To get a better feel for the extreme fine-tuning required to produce intelligent life, consider the critical role played in the formation of the earth by a unique event that is, by a singular occurrence that is not simply a “law,” or a “property,” or even a “detail.” Instead, like a cluster of pool balls bouncing just so, it results from the dynamic interplay of multiple, apparently unrelated factors. Consider the entwined origin of the earth and moon. The question of how the moon originated puzzled astronomers for centuries. In recent years a radical proposal has emerged as the most likely contender. Billions of years ago, as the nascent earth itself was forming, a large body roughly the size of Mars struck our then-undersized planet. It proved to be a spectacularly accurate, glancing blow. The tremendously energetic, not-quite-head-on impact caused the two bodies to melt. The dense molten metal cores of the two orbs combined and sank into the interior of the now-larger earth, while chunks of the rocky crust of both were ejected into space, later to coalesce into a stable, orbiting moon. As Ward and Brownlee remark, “To produce such a massive moon, the impacting body had to be the right size, it had to impact the right point on Earth, and the impact had to have occurred at just the right time in the Earth’s growth process." The moon that resulted from that seemingly serendipitous, unique event contributes in a variety of critical ways to making our planet livable, for example by stabilizing the earth’s tilt—that is, the angle formed by earth’s axis of rotation compared to its orbital plane—which allows earth’s climate to avoid extreme, life-killing fluctuations. In short, without that singular collision in space when the solar system was young, as well as the laundry list of necessary conditions that preceded it and the plethora of happy results that flowed from it, earth would be uninhabitable, no matter that it was otherwise in the right location. The bottom line is that the “fine-tuning” of our universe for life is not at all just a matter of the basic laws and constants of physics. Fine-tuning reaches deeply into ostensibly small details of the history of our solar system and planet, and includes unique, dynamic events. Without attention to such small details, mere fine-tuning of general physical laws would be futile. The strong nuclear force might be perfect, the charge on the electron just right, but if the end result of the undirected playing out of general laws were a lifeless asteroid where the earth should have been, why bother?"
It's about the validity of the message allegedly given by Our Lady to Conchita saying that : "Extra Terrestials "are like men,tainted alike by sin, but also redeemed by Christ just like men." For aliens to "be like men, tainted by sin," they'd have to be descendants of Adam and Eve, and inherit Original Sin. Which means that they are not simply "like men," they are in fact men. I don't think Our Lady would be so illogical in her utterances. Several issues were thrown against the validity of Garabandal such as: the physical deformities the children exhibited when in ecstasy, running in all fours, running backwards, contorting themselves, etc. the children of Fatima certainly never endured anything like that. Some might have suspected it as a diabolical deception. Another one is the death of Joey before the miracle, the supposed incorrupted body of one priest, the prophecy about Pope John Paul II as the last Pope to usher the end times (now it succeeded with two more Popes).... but these allegations certainly do not outweigh the faith I had for Garabandal. However, with the message above, which I do not think came from our Lady, for she cannot so be illogical and so confusing if indeed she said it, could really cause so much harm among its faithful followers including me. That's why, I don't 100% trust those who surrounded her at that time she received the message- the one who heard the message and wrote it, and the one who translated it into English. The point of realization is : Extra Terrestials Do exist as confirmed from the messages given at Garabandal, Medjugorje and Bayside. What makes them different is the relationship these intelligent beings have between God and men: In Garabandal as men who were redeemed by Christ, and in Bayside as spiritual evil beings trying to delude us ! We may not have all the answers right now to answer the "Why's", but certainly these issues are worthy to be reflected upon especially that there are conflicting messages given by Our Lady to different seers. So my supplication, my dear brothers is simple: Is there anyone here who is a theologian or a catholic priest who can hopefully from his point of view, at least elucidate or explore the correctness or incorrectness of Our lady's Message in Garabandal i posted in bold letters. Pleaseeeeeeee. God bless.
Everyone knows there are other life forms out there as a catholic we actually pray and ask God to send one of these other life forms or what you might call (An Extra Terrestrial) to protect us. The rest of us just call them Angels. May your own private Angel protect you and guide you to your God, My God, and the God of all the Angels.
