Thanks Blue, I found out another source in Conchita's Diary as well confirming this fact much more sure than Father Ramon Diary but Father's Ramon can be trusted at 100% as well, unfortunately for us, the seer herself did not confirmed this fact, this is the problem but today we can be sure that the Date has been given to Rome and this will help me to reply to some who confirmed the opposite, I am not talking about Piligrims or Garabandalist but some in the village were not sure, now I will provide them these sources, Ramon + Conchita's Diary, 2 sources even without confirmation from the seer herself should be enough. This resolved case is a big help also for the number of Popes, thanks again. Aviso
Aviso, I don't need a written source ,even though I provided the link to the diary above. Read the archives I provided. My source is the only one who counts...CONCHITA, and I find it very insulting to her that I have confirmed this point years ago with her, but you haven't because you have NEVER met her ! Quite frankly, I and others here are tired of your comments & secrets , never providing proof. LISTEN UP ALL HERE, I VERIFIED THIS WITH HER YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS AT HER HOME, AND WHEN I WORKED WITH JOEY LOMANGINO, HE CONFIRMED ALSO. I should have listened to Conchita when she warned me not to return to this page, she said " I don't care what people say about me,only Jesus matters". Do your own research, I've done mine, believe what you want. One last point, if the Vatican did not know the date , why haven't they condemned Garabandal ? There would be no reason to wait this long ! THE ONLY REASON IS THEY HAVE THE DATE AND ARE PRUDENTLY WAITING.
Don't get angry with me as well my good friend Glenn, here you own words few years ago : Mike, first ,never apologize for asking a question, that is what I am here for. Maybe in the future, start a different post for different questions so I can give a full answer on each one . OK Q1. The internet is a wonderful blessing and a curse ,lol. The problem with the "Loli / priest / odd/even " story is NO ONE has ever shown me a once of proof that this took place. How about a date, a place, the priests name, a witness ???? Nothing. Sometime rumors are around so long, people accept them as fact, without fact checking. Again, I believe the Blessed Mother would not allow a "slip up ". Q2. Believe it or not this is OK "IF " it happened, here's why. First I have not heard of Mary Cruz or Jacinta denying the visions lately. Again , show me some proof it happened, not bloggers rumors. This only happened once when as 12 year olds, there were pressured by their parents so much to deny it because it brought shame on the families (they were being called frauds by the townspeople ). The quicky changed their story after the next apparition. Secondly, this was even prophecied by Mary it would happen ! Here is an except from that story: After the visionaries came out of ecstasy, the onlookers wanted to know, as usual, what the Vision had said to them: "What did the Virgin tell you this time?" The girls looked at each other as if in consultation. Their interrogators pressed them, "Well, tell us!" "We don't understand very well," they replied. "Well tell us just the same." The girls said that the Virgin has told them: "A time will come when all four of you will contradict yourselves about the visions; when your families will have doubts about them; when you too will doubt and even deny them." "Is that all?" "No. The Virgin added, 'In this way you will establish among yourselves the same confusion that now exists in the Church.'" So my advice Mike is fear not and believe ! You're in good company. Q3. The Church has always taken the events of Garabandal seriously. Conchita Gonzalez, twice has been summoned to Rome. The first time was in January, 1966, when she was called there by Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani, prefect of the Holy Office (now called the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) where she was interrogated by members of the Holy Office. It was during this trip that she was received by His Holiness Pope Paul VI in a private audience. And it is an incontrovertible fact that he told the visionary, "I bless you and with me the whole Church blesses you." It was also during this trip to Italy for Conchita that she went to San Giovanni Rotondo where she was warmly received by Padre Pio. Little is known about what was exactly said, but this was more about the messages given to Conchita, and her firm belief that she had the visions. To my knowledge she has NEVER revealed the date to anyone. So I do not believe the Vatican has the date. As for Mary Loli, she and Conchita NEVER discussed their dates. I asked Conchita this last October on the phone, and her response was a firm " NO ! ". Mary Loli did take it to the grave because if she had discussed it with Maria Saracco, she would have predicted it correctly last year, obviously she lied about having "inside knowledge " of the warning date. I hope I answered everything to your satisfaction. Glenn, Feb 16, 2013 Post 974 at Garabandal News, the Treath I created mysef. Then you contact me privately and I told you, Yes she gave the date then it became a fact online as confirmed in Faher's Andreu diary as well, of course you never quote my name as for any other topics you got from me, that's not the problem, as you know we can also call Conchita at any time, you can impress maybe some others but as you know very well not me. As you will understand, this is my last word to you and about this topic but if someone again disturb me when I am on Holiday (many contact me privately) because of a story of ET's or whatever linked to our Lady of Mount Carmel based on Rumors from the worst book of Garabandal, apparently the only one with you, I will act as I have done with the ET's story and co, my good friend whenever you would like to travel in Garabandal for the first time in your life, I will be pleased to welcome you, so then don't hesitate to contact me again , thank you. Aviso
Ya Know!! Down in the Old South we have some old timey expressions like: "Hey! Ya'll gettin' wrapped around the axle?" or "Ya'll gettin' your bowels in an uproar?" or "Ya'll stompin' on Pissants when the Devil's Herd is about to trample ya?" Since my memory ain't what it used to be I decided to web search The Apostle"s and Nicene Creeds ... Ya Know What!!?? ..... I didn't find Garabandal in there!?? .... I'd bet I wouldn't find it anywhere in the Catechism of The Catholic Church either. As for me in my old age and what I expect will befall us...ALL... soon, I figure I've already wasted too much time on this subject!! GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
You guys are funny...in the big picture, if the warning comes then Garabandal won't mean anything. Nothing will mean anything accept Our Lord Jesus Christ. There won't be any I told you so moment. I still think there was something out of the ordinary at Garabandal but I don't think even Conchita knows what really happened. And sorry Glenn she has been silenced. Nothing wrong with that...she is not being forced but understands if it is from God, silence is her strongest proof. And Aviso you said a few months ago that Our Holy Father was the anti-pope... so you are not very high on my list. But you both have a calling to Garabandal...so make the best of it. All visions have common goal (repentance, prayer and penance). The rest is just a story. Brother al
I am taking Conchita's wise advice and withdrawing from this page. I'll leave you with this, at least I use my real name, my real face, and my real friendship with Conchita in providing answers ,and provide sources for all my comments. Good bye & God Bless.
Come on now, Glenn. This is what the devils sows: confusion, discord, and dissension. Don't let that old liar trick you into not continuing to do the good you do on this page. I will pray for all of us, but don't let the devil trick you into a mistake. The confusion and discord and flat out chaos is going to make our collective heads spin, let's remember to all stick together and most importantly, stay in the boat
I am leaving this Thread, will wait for the Great Miracle at home on my sofa but will not forget to watch back the famous american movie ET, we never know, so take care and God Bless you. Aviso Garabandalnews.org
No, this is not true and not fair, my opinion about the Holy Father is my opinion only but I never said he is an anti-Pope or anything like this, this is not fair at all, yes I have a problem with this Pope but he is the Pope and will respect the Holy Father as any other Catholics, thank you. Aviso
Thank you Glenn for keeping us informed of all that we need to know. Yours is a serious and important job and in doing it you do not play games. Why would someone ignore what you have reliably told us before? Why would they try to present themself as the originator of the information that you have already given? Why would they try to imply their sources were as good if not better? Why would they give themself the name 'Aviso' which is so sacred and central to the faithful of Garabandal? (If not to suggest they have some superior authority) Why would a Catholic accuse Our Holy Father of things he has not said or done? It all smacks of ego and control and games of intrigue -exactly what our Holy Father has asked us to avoid. How could anyone trust such a commentator who plays such games? I am glad Glenn is our main source on Garabandal on this site. His knowledge and access to information are unsurpassed and unsurpassable. He informs in a clear and complete way. He fights his corner not for his sake but for the sake of the message and for ours and for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I am glad for his sake that he has chosen to leave this page, a page that could have served us better without the undermining influence of one whose motives are as unclear as his points. Thanks Glenn. I look forward to your other comments elsewhere. You leave this field of battle with full honours, having preserved the truth, routed the usurper and protected your friends including the best, Conchita. Well done. Good fight.
When the Warning comes Garabandal will mean everything and come into its own. Of course Conchita knows exactly what went on there. Conchita has only "been silenced" by the Church about the contents of her private conversation with the Pope and by Our Lady to keep the dates til the appointed time. The rest is not just a story. It is the future of mankind. We would do well not to ignore this and to pay attention to all we have told. We have been given fair warning.
If you literally believe that "dust laden Magisterial archives" issued by Pius II are to be ignored by future Catholics that is erroneous. What is condemned by the Church in a magisterial document is "de fidei" (part of the faith). If anyone wants to ignore what Pius II has taught from the Chair of Peter let him do so at his own peril. Many are called, few are chosen. Pius II [Condemned in the letter "Cum sicut," Nov. 14, 1459] 717c (3) That God created another world than this one, and that in its time many other men and women existed and that consequently Adam was not the first man. Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich speaking about these days: "I see so many ecclesiastics under the ban of excommunication! But they seem quite at their ease, almost unconscious of their state; and yet, all who join associations, take part in enterprises, or adhere to opinions condemned by the Church, are really excommunicated by that fact itself (ipso facto). I see such men hemmed in, as it were, by a wall of fog. By this we may clearly see what account God makes of the decrees, orders, and prohibitions of the Head of the Church and how rigorously He exacts their observance, whilst men coolly mock and scoff at them. --from The life of Anne Catherine Emmerich Vol. II
Ok, First, if Garabandal is approved, it will be like all the other Marian Shines. Nothing more and nothing less. Know if it approved before the warning then Glenn and Aviso...were great proponents of apparition, so they will have a special place in its history. But to insinuate Garabandal means everything... is not only bad judgement but also bad theology. As for Conchita being silenced...this is only from my interpretation. The Vatican asked a lot of questions that made Conchita wonder about the whole experience. Not to say the experience was wrong or right but with further investigation Conchita had some doubts. The Vatican asked Conchita to please be silent about the visions until they were approved by the church. It was done for the welfare of her own soul but also as act of obedience. She seams to be following their advice on her own (freely). As for the warning, its not just about one apparition or vision. There are hundreds of them every day...but they all say the same thing. Lets not get caught up in this vision or that apparition...in the end they all say the same thing. May God Bless both Glen and Aviso...that their calling lead many people to Our Lord Jesus Christ. Brother al
Wrong wrong wrong. They are not all the same. The Warning has been foretold in a very specific way through the events of Garabandal and will be fulfilled accordingly. Its implications cannot be exagerated. It is the last chance for mankind. That is why it is everything. The mercy and justice of God will find full expression in the Warning. If this is not everything I don't know what is. Fulfillment of the prophesies will confirm to the world the saving power of Christ and the primacy of the Blessed Mother in this mission. No mere story. This is Destiny and as ever our Destiny is God. Believe or not. Sure you are free to doubt but this is not the way of faith especially in the face of overwhelming evidence and support from no less than Saints and Popes. There is no other version of the Truth proclaimed at Garabandal. Unsubtantiated opinions and interpretations are the only fairy tales and stories. The truth of Garabandal will be confirmed. This is my faith. I do not expect, much less demand, that others share this faith but I do hope they will come to it. While corroborated by other events Garabandal is sufficient unto utself. Over and out.
Aviso/Glenn, this thread was long ago started by Aviso and then on your departure we were well blessed by Our Lady to have Glenn, a companion of Conchita, to continue this important meeting point. This site is probably the most important and "canonical" Garabandal Promotion Centre around on land or Net. We believers expect much of you, we need much of you. If this is a mission given you guys by Mary then you both know you must make more effort to get on, esp at these difficult moments. We all lose if you two cannot pull together in the same direction, just as Stan intends. We all have our characteristic weaknesses, and we see them operating here...along with the usual static of possible mistakes due to the passing of time, interpretation and memory. Let's be accepting of one another, admit our weakness to one another and generously keep moving forward together. The point we are discussing, at least so far as Garabandal, is not insignificant. Myself, it's all up in the air. Written sources I thought were trustworthy have been seriously called into question by Aviso's 2013 quote from Glenn. Glenn, you now seem to have a different position from 2013, though this may possibly be more apparent than real? Aviso has been courageous in revealing this contradiction to us, he warned it would be disturbing and it is a little. I am partly to blame for encouraging this. It must have been difficult knowing Glenn might get upset. I am confident we can deal with this if we all take things slowly without a spirit of recriminations but of solidarity and how these things might be clarified. Glenn, I think many here would agree with me in inviting you to stay with this difficult topic and help us understand what may be no more than a storm in a teacup. Perhaps it is not resolvable fully, but let's try to do so together in a relaxed and friendly spirit. If Mary is with us all will work out for the best whatever the outcome. When Conchita gave you her advice about posting here a small teaching of, I think, Teresa of Avila came to mind. The jist of it was about letting go of the earthly that we might better cleave to God. She said there are two ways of doing this. The first is to do so materially, this is the way of Religious Brothers and Sisters. Their personalities are such that they must free their hearts by also freeing their bodies. The second way is that of the Laity. We are called to live a tension, freeing our hearts while still holding on to material things. The secret to keeping our hearts pure and our minds tranquill is not to release our hold on all things ... but to hold all things loosely. Glenn I think you are called here to be a strong layman not a religious. Thanks for your ongoing commitment to us.
I agree with BH. My own thoughts: - If folks are promoters of Garabandal, then that is your mission and stay with it. Either when difficult or easy. It doesn't matter how many Garabandal friends you have under your belt, that you live in Garabandal, etc. Lots of people claim to be in the know or have the inside track. It's not about you, it's about the apparitions and their message. Focus. - Don't hint at something and then say you can't reveal more as it's a secret somehow. Then keep the confidence. If it is something dealing with the heart of the apparitions, then speak to your spiritual director as you may be morally required to reveal the info to the Santander bishop, etc. Otherwise don't tease with info and then not be able to back something up behind the 'secret' or that 'person' etc - Garabandal is unique in many ways from other apparitions. As a result, there will be questions and concerns. If someone can shed light on something then great! If the apparitions are authentic, then it aids in the Glory of God. If you are in a position to add legitimate info, then state that clearly. If it's an opinion, then state that. Be clear on your position or the info you provide. - This is a forum. As a result I'd expect that folks are encouraged to discuss matters in a civil way respecting the opinions of others. If someone has legitimate info that clarifies an opinion with actual facts/data, then back it up. For example, I stated in the beginning of this thread that my thought was a speculation. Unless someone knows exactly what the 'event' is that causes massive unbelief in Garabandal, then I would think there is freedom to discuss the matter. The same goes with any other Garabandal topic. The point is to get clarification, etc. There are a lot of people with questions on Garabandal. Not just for those who post but also with all the lurkers. EDIT: one last point. If you have problems with the Holy Father, keep it to yourself. If you can't change something you don't like, pray for it. I think it's very disrespectful to say that one supports the Holy Father and then go on about issues with him. No one is perfect, least of all the Pope. And almost all of the info we get on that front is filtered through the media and other folks. Someone that is disrespectful about the Pope also loses quite a level of credibility in other matters.
"One day, before the Miracle, something will happen that will cause many people to stop believing in the apparitions of Garabandal. The doubts and desertions will not be due to an excessive delay of the Miracle." .... Someone will reveal that the Virgin Mary allegedly told Conchita about ET and their redemption, causing disbelief in many. Just joking.
KW if we see something that is very highly likely to be mistaken either theologically or scientifically I suggest is worth checking out whether our assumptions of infallibility on the matter in question are justified. "Condemnation" does not have to mean something is untrue. It may be simply a political bann on discussion the Pope judges the Church is not ready for. I have already observed that the Pope appears mistaken on at least one other point in that list given (that all taking of another's possessions against their will is a mortal sin). If you want to advance your case for opining that the Pope is speaking infallibly here then explain that apparent mistake in moral theology please?
"When the Pope (1) intends to teach (2) by virtue of his supreme authority (3) on a matter of faith and morals (4) to the whole Church, he is preserved by the Holy Spirit from error. His teaching act is therefore called "infallible" and the teaching which he articulates is termed "irreformable".... https://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/papac2.htm
Each and every approved Marian shrine has its own special purpose and came to be through specific circumstances and needs. E.G. confirmation of The Immaculate Conception at Lourdes. They are not all the same. Each are quite different in their characteristics and in the way they meet the needs of humanity and cooperate with God's purpose. Many are objectively false. There are 35,000 Christian denominations that call people to God but God calls us through only the One, True, Catholic and Apostolic Church. This is the Church that Jesus, the Vine Has never left, the only Church with his constant and glorified presence since the day of His Resurrection in the Eucharist, the only Church that can provide the Food and Drink of Eternal Life. There is no salvation outside of this church. Garabandal has come to us through the Catholic Faith of a village where the rosary has been said every day for 500 years. Do not listen to me. Listen to what the Popes and the Saints have said. There is only one Garabandal. One set of Garabandal messages. One set of Garabandal prophesies. They are simple and clear. Accept them or reject them but don't try to change them. I would contend that most of what you say, especially about Conchita is pure conjecture. The Warning foretold at Garabandal is only about one event namely the apparitions in that hamlet. It is unique. They do not all say the same thing. Its timing is specific. It may sound like other warnings but they are not The Warning of Garabandal. It belongs to this time. To distract people with guess work or possibilities that have never been confirmed does a dreadful dis-service to those who would prepare well. In so far as the the fate of mankind rests on its response to what will be revealed in the Warning then Garabandal is everything. Truth, not just facts, is always good Theology. Pilate asked "What is truth." He should have asked "Who is Truth." Truth was standing right in front of him. So we should ask who is behind Garabandal. The Popes and the Saints have told us informally that it is good. Only God is good. Therefore it must come from God. They say it is the most important message in the world and have blessed the carriers of the message encouraging its dissemination. In obedience we wait for the formal and final verdict. Meanwhile the only reason not believe in it is because the origin has been denied. There is too much evidence to reject a supernatural origin. It comes from Our Lord, through Our Lady.
