The betrayal needs to be called out

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by torrentum, May 24, 2016.

  1. torrentum

    torrentum Archangels

    Excellent

     
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  2. sparrow

    sparrow Powers

    Yes, excellent indeed. How did it (the corruption) get this far.. how very sad. I long for the inspiration and reverence we have lost :(
     
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  3. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    I haven't listened to this but I agree with the title. After having been heavily involved trying to expose the pedophiles over 10 years ago I agree. Names need to be named. Who were these cardinals, yes cardinals, "princes of the church." My spiritual advisor, Fr Charles Fiore along with Frs Malachi Martin and Fr Alfred Kunz wrote a book about this, it was called Windswept House. Yes, for the USA the big betrayer was the cardinal who ran the USA for over 30 years from Chicago. Fr Martin told me he was "perfectly possessed". His handler in the vatican was a prominent Jesuit cardinal from Italy and our current Pope Francis wrote the forward to a book about him in praising words. Yes, out these "wolves in sheep's clothing."
     
  4. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Bu there are great saints everywhere and Our Lady promises us God will Triumph in the End. Jesus promised that the devil would never win out against His Church.

    So we are already the winners, the devil the looser.

    Though it might not seem that way just at the moment.
     
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  6. josephite

    josephite Powers


    Years ago I read the books 'Angela's Ashes' and 'Tis' by Frank McCourt.

    It's an autobiography of Frank McCourt's life and is written very humorously about his life as a child, growing up in America and then Ireland and then back to America. It was also a very moving and gut wrenching account of the great poverty and terrible sufferings that he and his family and many other families underwent both in America but especially in Ireland, I think in the 1930s and 1940s.

    I can't remember exactly but I recall reading that when as a child Frank went to confession and confessed his sins [in Ireland], he encountered a wonderful priest on one occasion. This priest upon hearing about the desperation of young Frank and Franks family, their starvation, lack of fuel for heating, rags for cloths, no shoes, the most miserable conditions of their living quarters, the deaths of 3 brothers and a sister due to poverty and starvation and the general depravity of their puragatorial life, the priest near tears said something like.......

    My good young man your sins are so minor compared to the churches sin of today, [the Church was represented as being of the wealthy class and also it seemed to despise the poor or that's the impression one got when reading the book].
    Frank recieved absolution and a penance but the priest asked Frank to pray for the Church and all authority that is responsible for the great inequalities between the rich and the poor, and the priest said something like...... because the sins of the rich are quite often the reason the poor people sin.

    The above is not verbatum but it made and impression on me.
     
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  7. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I love St James, he is quite devasting in his commentaries on the iniquities of the rich. This love for the poor is one of the things I particularly like about Pope Francis.

    James 5:1

    Warning to the Rich
    1Come now, you who are rich, weep and wail for the misery to come upon you. 2Your riches have rotted and moths have eaten your clothes.…

    Luke 6:24
    But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort.

    1 Timothy 6:9
    Those who want to be rich, however, fall into temptation and become ensnared by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction.

    God told St Catherine of Siena a very interesting this about the rich and it is realted in her great book , 'Dialogue with God'. She asked God how come people who were evil appeared to be rich and prosper while the good were often poor and starved . God told her that sometimes rich people did good as well as evil in their lives and God knwoing that some of these folks would be off to hell when they died allowed them to be get their reward for occasional good acts in this life with comfort and riches as they would only burn in the Eteranl fires in the life to come.
     
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  8. That is terrifying
     
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  9. Sometimes I think the saints like to mess with our minds.
     
  10. padraig

    padraig Powers

    A kick up the ass is the beginning of Wisdom.
     
  11. Perhaps but those kicks can cause irreversible harm. I see it all the time in my clinic. The point of a boot on the sacrum or coccyx is extremely painful and damaging. How I wish I had kicked back when I was younger and taught some of those bastards a lesson in wisdom. Mm.. Sounds like unresolved anger. But I am getting better. If ever it happens again, however, I won't be gentle. Meanwhile I will stick with the fear of the Lord as the start of wisdom.
     
  12. josephite

    josephite Powers

    Joe I suspect you find the words of St Catherine of Siena terrifying and not the words of St James in scripture.

    I too take exception to one part of St Catherine words below and I've highlighted them...

    God told St Catherine of Siena a very interesting this about the rich and it is realted in her great book , 'Dialogue with God'. She asked God how come people who were evil appeared to be rich and prosper while the good were often poor and starved . God told her that sometimes rich people did good as well as evil in their lives and God knwoing that some of these folks would be off to hell when they died allowed them to be get their reward for occasional good acts in this life with comfort and riches as they would only burn in the Eteranl fires in the life to come.

    I believe God rewards genuine good acts [by any soul, rich or poor], with graces and blessings [probably in the form of crosses and sufferings, for the wealthy] to save these precious souls from hell!

    God purchased each and every soul at such a high price. Gods Love is serious and all consumming and I don't believe God is in the game of giving commiseration/pity prizes, for the good acts in this life while knowing that these souls would be going to hell.

    And I also believe that most comforts and riches here on this earth are offered by the prince of the world which is the devil.

    Maybe St Catherine was saying, that the greater evil these rich people commit, out weighs the small amount of good that they do?
    And maybe this small act of good is tainted and therefore not strong enough in grace or merit to overcome the evil in their life. If someone gives themselves over to riches, than any good they do would have the potential to be only a false front! perhaps to gain more prestige or power or things, so therefore it would not trully be a good act!

    I think the evil one continually gives more comforts and pleasures to those that want these things, to keep these souls numb to the truth.
     
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  13. padraig

    padraig Powers

    These are mysteries, so who knows?

    But an enduring theme thorugh scripture is whaen people who are, apparently evil appear to prosper and the Good [apparently) seem to fail. As Psalm 37 says:

    Psalm 73:11-14
    And they say, How doth God know? and is there
    knowledge in the most High? Behold, these are the ungodly, who
    prosper in the world; they increase in riches. Verily I have cleansed my
    heart in vain, and washed my hands in innocency. For all the day long
    have I been plagued, and chastened every morning.



    This question also has occured to me as I am sure it occurs to most Chrisitans and one of the solutions to the mystery put forward by St Catherine of Sienna (who is after all a Doctor of the Church and a very great saint) that at times they are being rewarded for the good that they do in this life seems to me logical and compelling.

    Maybe it is true, may be it is not, as I say this thinks are mysteries. Who knows? But it just seems so logical and compelling.

    Lately at work I have been thinking of the goodness and kindess of some people who I believe are people without real Faith. Yet are capable of kindness and generosity. Underneath this there is a certain harndess . A deadness. I think souls who do not rpay dry out and die inside, like an engine without oil. This truth was stated by St Aphonsus Ligouri (also a Dotor of the Church) and was transposed into the Catholic Cathechism.

    'Those who pray will most certainly be saved,

    those who do not pray will most certainly be damned'


    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p4s1c3a2.htm


    I'll tell you a story that happened to me one time when I was taxing to illustrate this. A gentleman called Stephen who I ahve know since he was a young man got into my taxi. this guy runs his own very successful buisness and has a really lovely home and family, he is very sucessful. But as long as I have known Stephen asfrom wehn he was a very young man I ahve een struck by a strong impression of coldness, of well evil in Steve, as though the fires of love that should burn within us never ever realy took hold in his life fro any degree at all.

    But anyway right out of the blue the conversion with him went in a weird direction:

    'Padraig are you still messing about with that religious stuff?'

    I said I was.

    'Well you know I don;t care about anyone or anything but myself and my family'.

    There was a aapuse...

    'But I only care about my family because they are my family, if they are my family, if they weren't I wouldn;t give a damn'.

    I ahve met other people like steve, though not quite so honest and direct. Steven knew we were poles apart , oil and water, I think at a real conscious level Stephen knew his Eternal destination and accepted it. I don;t think this is altogether uncommon in the world. It's just Steve wa supfront about it.

    But he was and is a good family guy , as far as that goes and I think he was getting his reward in terms of buiness sucess and family in this life before bombing in the next. However there are more hooks than that in this. None of us are going to go to heaven alone, none of us aeoare going to go to hell alone. Such is the human, the mystical community is that we draw others along with us. The consequence of Stpehn's choices are that his family will be very possibly joining him in hell for the very reasons. Very possibily as thay make this journey enjoying prosperity themselves.

    Anyway it is just my own little theory. Who knows realy , it is all such a mystery but ats some deep level I do believe we not only at some deep level know our own Eternal destination but that of others particularly when they have made definitive decisions.

    ..and this is what I mean some folks make this definitive decision at quite and early stage in their lives.
     
  14. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I have often recommended this book to people, it is quite good:


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    http://www.amazon.com/When-Things-Happen-Good-People/dp/1400034728

    'When Harold Kushner’s three-year-old son was diagnosed with a degenerative disease and that he would only live until his early teens, he was faced with one of life’s most difficult questions: Why, God? Years later, Rabbi Kushner wrote this straightforward, elegant contemplation of the doubts and fears that arise when tragedy strikes. Kushner shares his wisdom as a rabbi, a parent, a reader, and a human being. Often imitated but never superseded, When Bad Things Happen to Good People is a classic that offers clear thinking and consolation in times of sorrow.
    Since its original publication in 1981,When Bad Things Happen to Good People has brought solace and hope to millions of readers and its author has become a nationally known spiritual leader.'
     
  15. sparrow

    sparrow Powers

    These people can be prayed for and have sacrifices offered up for them.. and be saved...
     
  16. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    I will believe this when I see this. If the pope was serious he would call Stephen Brady of RCF because he may have already made some "bad" bishop/cardinal appointments. Remember, Cardinal Bernadin was widely praised for his "tough" documents on "problem" priests. What a joke.
     
  17. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Some can , but some can;t. I think sometimes make a deep definitive decision to turn to evil. They can give themselves quite definitvely over to evil , even from quite a young age. Pschologist s have realised this to osme degree. They used to call them psychopaths, then they called them sociopaths and nowadays I think they call them narcissists. I know there it can be a difficulty conept toe get our heads around but there are some people people are totally evil .

    I came across this utube video the otehr week which I found interesting as it gives some down to earth sgins to spot such people:

    By the way this gentleman is talking about, 'Convert Narcisscists' in the Church we would talk ofsomeone who is 'Perfectly Possessed' (someone who has given their soul to evil, to the devil)

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  18. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I think the reason why people have difficulty accepting the concept of pure evil in a person (or an evil spirit is this) say you ahve walked in beautiful woods all your life and realy felt comfortable and at home there. Then one day someone comes up to you and tells you you must be careful in the woods because their are wild bears and wild wolves in the woods. Well if you except that there are wild animals out in the beloeved woods then the woods and your entire world in a way changes forever. The woods instead of being warm and inviting can seem sinister and dangerous and a threat.

    I think it is similiar with the concept of evil. We want the woods to stay the same as they have since childhood.

    I think most of us stay in the childhood understaninding of the woods,maybe our whole lives util lwe actually meet a wolf (wolves0 out there then everything changes forever.

    I thin that is why the old story of Little Red Riding Hood hits home to us so far. Innocense suddenly confronted with hte teality of evil. I think that is one of the main reasons why Paedophile priests were able to get away with it for so long. Too many of our Bishops were like Little Red Riding hood. They wouldn't know true evil if it jumped up and bit them in the ass.

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  19. padraig

    padraig Powers

  20. josephite

    josephite Powers


    After watching the video you posted on Gloria Polo,

    It affirmed my belief that even if one good person in the family is praying and sacrificing for many years for their family, the family members can be saved! and the salvation of that family can be traced back to this persons Love and sacrifice.

    Gloria Polo, a feminist activist and wealthy women who had advocated abortion and contraception, politically, for decades and had even had an abortion herself! was struck by lightning in her early 50s, and died twice but was revived, she had many physically disabilities for many years after this lightning strike and this lightning strike killed her nephew who was walking next to her at the time. But her story was more about her complete spiritual conversion after this experience and not so much the physical disabilities that she struggled with after; even though most of these physical disabilities were healed over subsequent years as well in miraculous ways!

    I remember Gloria said that she had always despised her mother, who she considered as weak and of little value, because her mother suffered terribly at the hands of her Father who was an adultery and an abusive man towards her mother and even towards Gloria and her siblings. However, Gloria and her brothers and sisters, looked up to their dad even though he was so evil, as he had so much more power than her mother who was perceived as weak.

    Her mother went to mass, and confession, prayed and trusted God and this was seen as a form of weakness because she was so abused by her husband, she was seen by Gloria and Glorias siblings as a women who demeaned the role of women, so Gloria became a woman’s advocate, promoting feminism, abortion and contraception etc, and became quite a notable figure in her country [a south American country, I think].

    In her testimony of what occured when she died, Gloria states that she experienced what awaited her in the afterlife!. God showed Gloria hell and the place that she was to occupy in hell and also many other things. She saw her father in the deepest part of purgatory and her father said that due to the prayers and sufferings of that very holy women [your mother] he was saved from hell and also that due to his wifes prayers God would give Gloria a second chance at life!

    So I see that even if wealthy/sinful people deserve hell, sometmes the prayers and sufferings of others [normally a person in their own family ] can be the means even for their salvation!
     
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