Signs

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by themilitantcatholic, Sep 3, 2015.

  1. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Yes, and until Pope Francis came along, the "top" has been very holy men of God with much clarity in her teachings. St. Pope John Paul and Pope Benedict surely steered the mother ship with orthodox clarity in a world where sexual revolution and hedonism became rampant destroying families and church goers. The Latin mass would never have survived in this changing world and Catholicism would have become very small in numbers decades ago, if not for the mass in vernacular. This, I believe is why the wisdom of the Church had to move to the language of its people. The Latin mass has a more heavenly appeal to me and truly speaks prayer due our God, but I am convinced without the vernacular we would have been in a very small church, world wide, decades ago.
     
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  2. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    Yes, the validity of the NOM is not the issue for the majority of such masses.

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  3. SgCatholic

    SgCatholic Guest

    I have to respectfully disagree.

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  4. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Don,

    I also believe that President George Washington having died in 1799 was long dead by the time that the new dome was designed (1854) and the artist who painted this was commissioned (1862).

    The sandstone rotunda walls rise 48 feet (15 m) above the floor; everything above this—the Capitol dome–was designed in 1854 by Thomas U. Walter, the fourth Architect of the Capitol. Walter had also designed the Capitol's north and south extensions. Work on the dome began in 1856, and in 1859, Walter redesigned the rotunda to consist of an inner and outer dome, with a canopy suspended between them that would be visible through an oculus at the top of the inner dome. In 1862, Walter asked painter Constantino Brumidi to design "a picture 65 feet (20 m) in diameter, painted in fresco, on the concave canopy over the eye of the New Dome of the U.S. Capitol." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Capitol_rotunda
    If you watch the miniseries "John Adams" that I suggested in another post, they show that George Washington advocated for the simple title "Mr. President"* over other titles that were suggested at the time such as Electoral Highness, Excellency or Majesty and the like. The miniseries also gives credit to Washington for limiting the presidency to two terms although I believe that there is still some debate as to whether this should be credited to Thomas Jefferson. Given this evidence, I think that Washington did not believe that he was perfect as you have suggested or god-like.

    *ref. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._President_(title)
     
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  5. An asteroid larger than some of the world's tallest buildings will zip by Earth next month

    On September 14, an asteroid will pass by Earth that's larger than some of the tallest buildings on the planet.

    Asteroid 2000 QW7 is estimated to be between 290 meters and 650 meters in diameter, or between 951 and 2,132 feet, according to NASA. The world's tallest building is the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, which reaches 2,717 feet tall. The second tallest building is the Shanghai Tower at 2,073 feet.

    The asteroid will be traveling at 14,361 miles per hour when it passes within 3,312,944 miles of Earth at 7:54 p.m. ET.

    Astronomers don't believe the asteroid poses any danger, but NASA's Center for Near Earth Object Studies is tracking it.

    Astronomers at the University of Hawaii used the ATLAS and Pan-STARRS survey telescopes to detect a small asteroid before it entered Earth's atmosphere on the morning of June 22.

    The asteroid, named 2019 MO, was 13 feet in diameter and 310,685 miles from Earth. The ATLAS facility observed it four times over 30 minutes around midnight in Hawaii.

    Initially, the Scout impact analysis software at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory deemed the potential impact as a 2. For reference, 0 is "unlikely" and 4 is "likely." Davide Farnocchia, navigation engineer at JPL, requested additional observations because he noticed a detection near Puerto Rico 12 hours later.

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    On International Asteroid Day, here's what to know about the threat to Earth


    The Pan-STARRS telescope was also operating and captured part of the sky where the asteroid could be seen.

    The additional images from the Pan-STARRS telescope helped researchers better determine the entry path for the asteroid, which bumped the Scout rating to 4.

    The calculation matched up, and weather radar in San Juan detected the asteroid as it burned up in our atmosphere. It entered the atmosphere over the ocean, 236 miles south of the city.

    ATLAS, which is two telescopes 100 miles apart on the Big Island and Maui, scans the entire sky every two nights for asteroids that could impact Earth. It can spot small asteroids half a day before they arrive at Earth and could point to larger asteroids days before.

    Although much of the knowledge of their capabilities and determinations about the asteroid was worked out after the fact, astronomers believe that ATLAS and Pan-STARRS could help predict more in the future.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/27/world/asteroid-flyby-earth-scn-trnd/index.html
     
  6. Muzhik

    Muzhik Powers

    Washington served only two terms. Jefferson may have cited that reason for not running for a third term, and so it became tradition until FDR ran for and won a 3rd term just before WW2. After that, the Constitution was amended to keep that from happening again.
     
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  7. Hmmmm ...... doo doo doo doo (trying to do the Unsolved Mysteries theme!) Pics at link of this story.

    US Marine says cigar-shaped UFO sightings spreading worldwide and 'not military'
    EXCLUSIVE: Nick Karnaze claims the snake-like objects could be something "beyond" a classified military programme

    A former US Marine believes the cigar-shaped UFOs that have been spotted across the country in recent months could be something "beyond a classified military programme".

    The mysterious objects – which often appear long, thin and shaped like a snake – first came to light back in June when a YouTuber spotted a strange light above the Mojave Desert in California.

    Soon, UFO hunters flooded the internet with their own videos of the strange "crafts", from one being spotted during a meteor shower in Wyoming to another apparently "moving like it was alive" over New York.

    Nick Karnaze, an ex-United States Marine Corps soldier who served in Afghanistan as an Intel Officer, has now told this site that the objects have been seen across the Earth.

    Nick recently travelled around the world with other investigators on a mission to collect evidence to prove aliens have been in contact with Earth.

    Speaking exclusively with Daily Star Online, Nick said: "It's interesting because if we're assuming that this could be a potentially classified government programme you'd expect it to be that those types of objects are restricted to certain areas.
    "But now that we have reports from various countries across the globe of witnesses seeing similar objects.

    "For me, it indicates something potentially beyond a classified programme because, again, in the military community you're only going to be testing those classified programmes in certain areas."

    He added: "If you're deploying that technology, you’re going to be very careful on where you're going to be deploying it to.

    "The odds of you deploying that to a random country outside any open war zones or any present threat to the United States, to me, it would be very unusual."

    When asked what he thought the strange objects could be, Nick admitted he "can only classify them as an Unidentified Flying Object or Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon".

    "Ruling out classified military programs, it really allows one's imagination to run wild with what these objects could be," he added.

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/marine-says-cigar-shaped-ufo-19029216
     
  8. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Did God tell you this ? Who can know the mind of God? Not even the greatest theologians.
    It may be enough for you...
     
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  9. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    It is impossible to know, with respect to the change in the format of the Mass, what you assert, but it is quite plausible. Whichever is the Truth, God is in control.

    In terms of orthodoxy, I think we must not forget St. Pope Paul VI. Despite many misjudgements, he deserves credit for Humanae vitae, perhaps the most important religious and social document of the last century.
     
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  10. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Good common sense reasoning, here. I agree 100%.
     
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  11. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    I did not say that or suggest it. What I said was that Washington was heavily steeped in Masonry and this is without a doubt true. That he was, and is, deified after the fact by his fellow masons publicly in plain sight in our Federal government buildings and places such as the Smithsonian is also obviously true.
    My suggestion though is not my own and that is that anyone who is involved in masonry, who has not repented ought to be viewed as the church has always viewed them. With condemnation.
     
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  12. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    How do you know he did not repent? For that matter, how do we know for sure if anyone repents? Did you read the excerpts about Jesus from his personal writings posted by earth to angels? The excerpts speak for him now.
     
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  13. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Pope Pius XI wrote in 1930 quite extensively in Casti Connubii about Catholic Marriage and condemned birth control implicitly due to the protestant Church of Englands permitting it that year by married couples. He did this in the same year it was approved and made public by them so as to make clear the Churches teaching.

    There is quite a good write up on this topic from several years back.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/697297/posts
     
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  14. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    D, This is what you stated when you posted that painting from the ceiling of the Rotunda, 'In the rotunda Washington is depicted as taking his place among the "gods". Someone certainly thinks he is perfect.'

    Did you have a specific person in mind as the "someone" in your post? Your post read like you were inferring that Washington thought those things of himself and I wanted to make it clear to those reading this thread that he did not commission that artwork, in fact, GW died before the artist was born.

    In any case, I think that President George Washington was more humble than most people believe that he was and my previous post provides some proof of this. I do think that he was and is a hero for many people but I am not certain that anyone really thinks that he was perfect or "god-like". Personally, I have heard enough things about the man for years to understand that he was an imperfect man like the rest of us.

    I found the following quotes from Wikipedia's page on GW to be interesting and they may help you gain a deeper understanding of what you are concerned about:

    Washington believed in a "wise, inscrutable, and irresistible" Creator God who was active in the Universe, contrary to deistic thought.[362] He referred to God by the Enlightenment terms Providence, the Creator, or the Almighty, and also as the Divine Author or the Supreme Being.[367]
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    Freemasonry was a widely accepted institution in the late 18th century, known for advocating moral teachings.[378] Washington was attracted to the Masons' dedication to the Enlightenment principles of rationality, reason, and brotherhood. The American Masonic lodges did not share the anti-clerical perspective of the controversial European lodges.[379] [Emphasis added.]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington#Religion_and_Freemasonry
     
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  15. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    What a biased article! Ugh
    Sounds sede to me.
     
  16. AED

    AED Powers

    What I find edifying and comforting is the fact that Paul VI--a modernist til late in his papacy--did not want to approve humanae Vitae. When his committee presented their findings he did not want to endorse it but then he did!! To me this is proof of the Holy Spirit guiding the Church! He literally could not approve birth control even tho he was sympathetic and all his supporters urged it on him. I expect their outrage was the outrage of betrayal when he restated firmly the Church's ancient teaching and prophesied what would happen if it became commonplace. All hell literally broke loose when he published humanae vitae.
     
  17. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    We have to consider the time period. It was a time when the societal licentiousness was beginning. He went against the tide. It was the Holy Spirit. You are right.
     
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  18. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I have only had time to quickly scan it, but my impression is that it is highly critical of Pope Paul and of Humanae vitae itself, but I detect no evidence of sedevacantism. To criticise a pope is not to be sedevacantist-otherwise, considering our views on Pope Francis...

    In the article, there are references to Fr Stanley Jaki, Alasdair MacIntyre (coincidentally, I'm reading After Virtue right now), John Finnis, Germain Grisez and Ralph McInerney, people deserving of the highest respect. There are very well thought out and relevant arguments and questions on the grounds of consequentialism and phenomenology. There are irrefutible, in my opinion, criticisms on the grounds of natural law.

    On consideration, there is a risk that much of the respect for Humanae vita is due on consequential grounds-that the document accurately predicted the dire results of the sexual revolution. However, I think the view of Pius XII, that the purpose of marriage is primarily the begetting of children, and not granting anything like the significance to the unitary aspect of marital sex as has been the case since the Council, was a more profound and credible argument against the liberalism that has done so much damage.

    Not only was the encyclical weaker than it needed to be in terms of theological and philosophical foundation, it was gravely hamstrung by the delay, the fault mainly of Pope Paul, which created the hope in far too many that the rules were about to change. This resulted in the Church losing most of the people. The document is still a valuable one, expounded gallantly by such as the wonderful Janet Smith, for example, and has persuaded many to follow its moral correctness, but it could have been better; and better presented.

    As Father Jaki was so emphatic about, the Churchmen of the time forgot all about the devil.
     
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  19. Seems the description of "heavily steeped in Masonry" just doesn't fit in Washington's case....seems more like a tendency to editorialize to prove a personal point of view. Rather:


    Freemasonry appears to have been new on the scene in the American colonies during the life of Washington. The lodges of Freemasonry provided a new place for many politicians and farmers of that time to socialize, but little is known about how Freemasonry was practiced in the colonies.

    Washington became involved for a while with Freemasonry. But during a correspondence with a concerned pastor, Washington stated that he did not believe the lodges of America had adopted the false doctrines of the Illuminati that English lodges followed. Furthermore, he wrote that he had not personally visited a lodge more than once or twice in a period of thirty years. [3]

    While a man of his times, Washington demonstrated his Christian faith in three ways: (1) His confession of Christ; (2) His confession of other foundational Christian doctrines; (3) The fruits of the Spirit in his life.
     
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  20. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I guess I’m just weary of the OTT amount of posts on this forum from members who think Catholic life stopped in the 1960s, and that the Holy Spirit has abandoned the Church and God's people. That smacks of sedevacantism, imho, at least through innuendo and by default.
    The liberalism that has done so much damage is not the fault of the clarification of the unitive
    aspect of marital sex. It is not the fault of the document, per se. Both the unitive and the procreative aspects of marital relations have to be in balance. And as one priest I know said, "It's not a marriage if God isn't in it." That means both spouses need to be in the state of grace since God is the head of the marriage. (of course, this is the ideal, and the main reason for the vocation of marriage) We need to focus on prayer and personal sanctity.
    We are in a chastisement. We have been. The reasons for it are manifold: manifold sins and wickedness.
     
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