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Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by themilitantcatholic, Sep 3, 2015.

  1. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I am simply saying that even if everyone in a country is fully behind a government that is demonised by their enemy, it is not justifiable to target non-combatants. We’re all told by the US and Israel that Iran is an intolerably oppressive regime (although they kill no unborn babies, mind you, and they strongly disapprove of LGBTQ and pornography), yet their citizens are prepared to die for their civilisation. This does not, in the remotest sense, provide any justification for attacking these civilians and their life-sustaining civilian infrastructure. I believe this is the teaching of the Catholic Church. Pope Leo stood up for it (wish he’d do the same for a lot more), Trump (and his ‘Judeo-Christian’ and Jewish supporters) didn’t like to hear this one little bit and threatened Leo and the Vatican itself.

    ‘He who is not for me is against me’. These are the times we’re in-and we always were.
     
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  2. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    How long is it going to take for you to realise that I don’t like America? In fact, very few do. You’re not as great as you think you are. Russia made most of the sacrifices for Europe in World War II. You simply were the best at cashing in on it and you corrupted Western Europe far more than the Soviets did to the East. Since 1991, Eastern Europe is catching up fast, but Christianity is still stronger there.
     
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  3. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    Don't worry. I don't care much for the modern European ethos either. So the feeling is mutual.

    Europe has had all the time in the world to improve itself since WWII. Instead you blame America once more for the defects of Europe. I can't imagine going through life blaming all the problems of a continent on America. But here we are.
     
  4. orangina

    orangina Archangels

    In Jerusalem, a Catholic nun from France was brutally attacked by a Jewish man..

    He was later taken into custody.

    The police also released a video; the attack is truly terrifying. Fortunately, the nun survived. Attacks against Christians in Israel are becoming worse and worse, and this will lead to an even greater rift between the Vatican and U.S./Israeli policy.

    WARNING VIDEO : https://x.com/IhabHassane/status/2050244336160211378/video/2

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  5. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    Iran only accounts for 5% of world oil output. The rest of the world can easily account for that. In fact, oil prices are so good right now the US is selling it's SOR and will refill when oil is cheap again. The US is literally making more money by the straight being closed. The US is laughing right now.

    Meanwhile Iran has an 80% reduction in oil revenue and is losing reserve capacity daily. If Iran doesn't straighten out they are going to lose their market share

    Also, 5 bucks a gallon is still way cheaper than what Europeans pay.
     
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  6. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    The modern European ethos, at least in Catholic countries (the Protestant ones were already corrupting) is an American one.

    You seem to have no idea of the corrupting power of America. The political and economic power-for example, in the influencing of introducing a free-for-all abortion regime in an Ireland that was previously a safe-haven for the unborn. Not to mention the factor of so many well-paid jobs in the IT and Pharma sectors in Ireland and their influence in promoting the legislation of homosexual ‘marriage’. But the groundwork had been subtly laid for decades with the media-driven licentiousness, secularism and materialism of film, books, feminism and so on. The same applied to countries like Italy, Portugal and most of Spain, before we got to know the wonders of America.

    We never asked the United States to interfere in Europe. You insisted on it in 1917 and, if you had kept out of it, the British would have been defeated and Europe would have been a whole lot better, there never would have been a Nazi Party for a start; nor a Jewish takeover of Palestine.
     
  7. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    The surprise is that he was taken into custody . I very much doubt he’ll be convicted.
     
  8. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    It’s not nice to gloat. Please do so elsewhere. I, for one, find it very offensive. Even if all the many Americans that attend this website are fully on-board with your imperialistic views, which I very much doubt, there are very many others who do not share your nationality, to say nothing of your apparently aggressive desire to dominate the rest of us for your material benefit.

    I also think you are in for a rude awakening.
     
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  9. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    America is therefore artificially keeping the price of oil down by releasing its strategic reserve. Not a wise move.

    About 20 to 25% of the worlds oil supply flow through the straits of Hormuz and the straits have been shut for weeks.

    There is no way America can supply the world with that amount of oil so the bubble will soon burst and prices rocket.

    Americans will soon be blaming Trump for much higher energy costs because he has succeeded in disrupting the worlds oil supply chain.

    I remind you again Iran now controls the straits they hold the ace card and deluded Donald knows it.
     
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  10. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    If I may add something to this discussion--being an American who is very sad to see this bitterness between Christians, regardless of what country/continent we're from--it is hard to ever truly know who is at blame for world events, because we're never sure what the whole truth is. When I look to see Heaven's point of view, I see that in 1917, Mary came to Europe to warn Catholics to pray, sacrifice, and consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart, in order to prevent Russia from spreading her errors throughout the world. And what was the source of the corruption of Russia and rise of Communism? "Revolutionary men" and "secret societies" as Mary and Jesus called them in other apparitions, or Freemasons. Freemasonry had been spreading throughout the world and this was not just one country's doing. We know now from converted communists' accounts that there was a strong program of sending secret communists into seminaries, colleges, media, and governments, especially into America. They took us down from the inside, just as they attempted to do with the Church.

    Being angry at any one particular country misses the point, in that the devil and his minions are the ones who work hard to corrupt men, and those corrupt men infiltrate countries--even strong Christian ones--and are able to bring down entire peoples because those people are not praying enough, are relying on themselves instead of God, and are lost in the pursuit of pleasure, comfort and ease.

    God allows countries to fall when the people aren't living strong, humble, moral lives. It has happened to all of us, one by one, like a domino effect, and the stronger nations will naturally have more power over the weaker ones...but they could never force the people to lose their Faith. The Faith is given up freely, in exchange for worldly goods. Or it is preserved at all costs, and at the very least, preserved secretly, until an oppressor collapses.

    The fact that most of the world has allowed its Faith to be corrupted or lost is not the fault of any one particular country or regime. The fault lies in individual hearts and souls. We are all guilty. And we all have so much spiritual power to turn evil back on itself, if we would pray far more than we spend analyzing news and pointing fingers. I just really, really hate to see us turning on each other here on this forum--one of the last bastions of Faith left in this world. We're supposed to be the ones saving the world, united to Jesus, with prayer, sacrifice, and Christian charity!
     
  11. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    What are you talking about? America still believes in God whereas Europe adopted atheism and everything that comes with it wholesale. Not even close to being the same ethos as Europe. Americans also don't blame other continents for their failures. Americans have dignity.

    Also, the US has done nothing but bless Ireland. It was the US that took in the Irish during the great hunger. It was the US who invested their money in Ireland to it's benefit. It was your own people who voted for abortion, not that of the US. How is it the Irish could withstand the pressure of the English empire for centuries, but suddenly gets weak kneed by a continent thousands of miles away? Give me a break. I can't even imagine thinking my nation is such a victim as to blame the adoption of abortion by my nations people on another continent.

    "If we would have lost we would have won" absolutely laughable.
     
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  12. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    The entire history of Europe is imperialism. The Americas were colonized and Christianity spread because of imperialism. You act like imperialism is always a bad thing.

    The only reason you're offended is because I have no problem going tit for tat with you. Normally you and several others will bash the US all day everyday without anyone pushing back. Now that someone is finally giving you pushback it is suddenly an aggressive desire to dominate.

    Weak
     
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  13. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    Iran controls nothing, which is why they are the ones who have to keep submitting proposals to Trump.

    https://x.com/i/status/2050707001756258373

    America is perfectly fine. But if push comes to shove Iran will find out.

    https://x.com/i/status/2050710945236697272
     
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  14. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    I am sick of seeing the US blamed for everything here. People and peoples need to own up to their failures. Going through life playing the victim, blaming their problems on others is what weak people do. Have you ever heard a saint blame their problems on other people?
     
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  15. PurpleFlower

    PurpleFlower Powers

    It's pretty disheartening. There's been a lot of hating on entire peoples and countries here lately. I've been surprised to find out a few people here whom I respected and was fond of outright despise my country.

    We better be careful. When we think we have just cause to hate, we soon find out that hate is all we have left. And that is not from God.
     
  16. AED

    AED Powers

    Well said.
     
  17. Katfalls

    Katfalls Powers

    I think everyone needs to step back and not be attacking all the time. I am watching the prophesy of Esperanza happening. It begins Venezuela. Then Iran. Then Cuba. Regimes are falling. All we can do is pray for good outcomes. Who does what and where is out of our control. Prayer is our weapon. Even our own church is facing schism. But don’t give up! Keep your lamps lit.
     
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  18. Heidi

    Heidi Powers

    Completely agree.
     
  19. miker

    miker Powers

    I can understand that people can feel frustrated and angry with nations and politics. But as a Catholic forum, I really think we need to avoid sweeping condemnations of whole peoples.

    We don't have to agree with every policy or every nation - but as Christians we need to guard our hearts and our words. When discussions turn into criticism and then into hostility and hate toward entire peoples, it stops being about truth and becomes something else entirely.

    I am saddened this has happened on this forum. I think many of us have sensed it and purposely stayed silent in hope for de escalation but unfortunately that did not happen. I really think it just needs to stop now. I sense danger here. Peace.
     
  20. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    This was going on all the time before miker. It was simply acceptable because the hate was directed towards Jews and the US. Start mentioning the faults and hypocrisy of Europe and suddenly it's a problem.

    It's also the reason you have people getting upset when I show the US is winning the Iranian war. They are cheering for America to lose. Point out evidence to America winning and they lose it. Point out anything positive about America and they get even more worked up.
     
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