Praying for enemies

Discussion in 'On prayer itself' started by RosaryWielder, Nov 11, 2019.

  1. RosaryWielder

    RosaryWielder Founder of Claritas

    I'm working on developing the habit of praying for the conversion of leftists, liberals, socialists, communists, and Masons, and other enemies of the Church. I still struggle a lot with anger and I think praying for these people's conversions would help counteract that. Does anyone have any useful tips, help, advise, or prayers?

    I'll still offer up reparations for the abominations that were present at Rome and the Vatican and elsewhere, and pray for the Salvation Our Holy Father, the Hierarchy and all our brothers and sisters in Christ.

    Also, have you ever told any leftist or the like that you praying for them? How did they react?

    O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who recourse to Thee! And all those who do not have recourse to Thee, especially the Masons, and all those recommended to Thee!
     
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  2. DesertStar7

    DesertStar7 Guest

    I'm fortunately in a very easy-going place where most people aren't highly political. Even the local state university is always very quiet.

    Since devoting myself to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, I visualize placing people inside His Heart while praying...and gently leaving them there. My difficulties with anger regarding two family members (one developing into an unwanted grudge) quickly dissolved after praying thusly for them. I repeat if needed.
     
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  3. RosaryWielder

    RosaryWielder Founder of Claritas

    Thank you, I'll keep this in mind as I consider and try out various ideas.
     
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  4. Katfalls

    Katfalls Powers

    In my daily litany of prayers, I say this prayer five times and think this will cover all your bases. It did come from heaven.
    In the Spring of 1916, an angel taught the children of Fatima this prayer, repeating it three times:[1]

    My God, I believe, I adore, I hope, and I love You. I ask pardon for all those who do not believe in You, do not adore You, do not hope in You, and do not love You.
    The angel then said, "Pray in this way. The hearts of Jesus and Mary are ready to listen to you." To believe, hope, adore, and love God is to practice the theological virtues of faith, hope and charity.[2]
     
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  5. Bella

    Bella Guest

    Very helpful image. I am going to do that as well.
     
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  6. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    The image in the Bible is that when you do good to your enemies you heap coals of fire on their heads :LOL:
     
  7. AED

    AED Powers

    One of my all time favorite prayers. I repeat it often during the day and at night too.
     
  8. padraig

    padraig Powers

    There's nothing wrong with praying for very bad people. One of my favourite prayers is for the greatest sinners; those in most danger of Hell. At the same time I would be aware that sometime there can be come back. Especially if the praeternatural is concerned.

    We have the promise of Jesus:

    Luke 10:19

    I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.


    At the same time there can be come back from the enemy and we should be open to this. I mean I wouldn't do it blindly. Scorpions and snakes bite. It shouldn't make us scared off, but maybe using things like Sacramentals for protection sometimes.

    There are really strange things and strange , strange people out there.

    I think souls are bought at a price.

    Grace is free but it's not cheap.

     
  9. Indy

    Indy Praying

    I was recently in a conversation where I was complaining about far left liberals and I was delighted to be quickly told that they were not born that way i.e. they were not always bad. I though I deserved what I got. they all need prayer.
     
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  10. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Someone related to me the strangest spookiest conversation lately which has me thinking a lot.

    The guy in question is a devout catholic and his wife was diagnosed with breast cancer.

    He was talking to his close friend from childhood who is a prominent member of a Socialist Pro-Abortion political party.

    The subject of the wife having cancer came up and the pro-abort at once said,

    'Oh never mind if she dies you can just go out and get another old one'.

    I just thought that was such a spooky and evil thing to say out of the blue. Truly and deeply hurtful. I just think there are some really terrible and evil things lurking about out there.

    I know we will Triumph, we have Christ's promise , but Scorpion's sting and snakes bite and we should recall this when having dealings with such.

    Be a little cautious.

    We have our Good Angels to inform and advise us; they have their Bad Angels to inform and advise them.

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  11. AED

    AED Powers

    Wise words.
     
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  12. AED

    AED Powers

    This person who said such a hard thing has acquired a hard heart. Sin will do that. Unrepented sin. It's like a calcification of the soul. He probably had no idea he was being hurtful just pragmatic. So sad.
     
  13. RosaryWielder

    RosaryWielder Founder of Claritas

    Yes, they're human beings who have hope up until the very last second of their lives of converting and being saved. I need to remember that there is always hope for them and that in a sense, their ideas and views are hurting themselves just as much as they are hurting others.
     
  14. RosaryWielder

    RosaryWielder Founder of Claritas

    That seems to be may main problem, the scorpion sting. I often try to go out of me way to be kind and appealing when speaking with others, and then I get stung, and (because I was bullied as a kid) I often walk away feeling like a complete and total idiot for letting myself be vulnerable like that. Thus, the next time I come across an "enemy" I'm ready to tear them shreds and not give them one foot hold.

    But I don't have to worry about that when I am alone praying, with Jesus and Mary, my Guardian Angel and all the Saints and angels, I just need to focus on conquering the flesh and resisting the Devil. Also I need to remember the Canadian Martyrs, and all the other Martyrs of the past who laid down their lives to convert their enemies, I probably will have let myself be placed in that position of ultimate vulnerability one day; but I'll need the Lord's grace to get there.
     
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  15. DesertStar7

    DesertStar7 Guest

    I'm likely old enough to be your mother, and while attending college this nation wasn't embroiled in such political turmoil (it was paradise by comparison!).

    That aside, one bit of advice I'd like to give is to pray for a spirit of discernment - or an extra measure of it. Of sensing when another person is or isn't receptive, or the time to speak up is now or not.

    I was raised to be "on" and always interactive, which I came (by age 18) to think was NOT good parental/church advice. Sometimes wanting to share or interact can be tossing pearls before swine. Jesus warned us against doing so.
     
  16. RosaryWielder

    RosaryWielder Founder of Claritas

    It was Our Lady of Fatima that gave me the last push to revert back to the True Faith, undoubtedly when She emphasized praying and sacrificing for poor sinners She wasn't excluding leftists and other enemies of the Church. I owe Her my prayers for these people.
    our lady of fatima.png
     
  17. RosaryWielder

    RosaryWielder Founder of Claritas

    Thank you, I'll remember this while I pray.
     
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  18. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    It takes some wisdom gained from hard knocks to get the knowledge necessary to avoid casting your pearls before swine. "School of Hard Knocks." I don't do it so much any more.
    Believe it or not, there are a couple of adult bullies in my neighborhood and I don't engage with them at all. Walking away makes them angrier than anything I could say, and it also does not give them any fuel for their next attack.
     
  19. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Let us all on MOG pray for Cardinal Pell who is under a diabolical attack from those within the hierarchy of the Church. Seems to me he was on to the corruption in the Vatican bank and was framed to keep him from airing this high level corruption. Many rosaries for him to beat the devil and his cohorts.

    George Pell high court appeal: cardinal granted final challenge against child sexual abuse conviction
    Full bench of seven judges will decide on Cardinal Pell appeal, likely to be heard in 2020
    Melissa Davey and Paul Karp

    Tue 12 Nov 2019 18.59 EST First published on Tue 12 Nov 2019 17.36 EST
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    Cardinal George Pell outside court in 2017. The high court of Australia has granted his request for leave to appeal his conviction for historical child sexual abuse. Photograph: Mark Dadswell/Reuters
    Cardinal George Pell will have a final chance to overturn his conviction on historical child sexual abuse offences after the high court in Canberra agreed to hear appeal arguments in a special full court sitting.

    A date for the appeal hearing is yet to be set but it will likely be early in 2020 by the full bench of seven judges. Led by the high-profile silk Bret Walker SC, Pell’s legal team will argue that the majority of judges in Victoria’s court of appeal erred by finding in August that jurors were not unreasonable to believe the testimony of Pell’s victim.

    On Wednesday Justice Michelle Gordon announced that she and Justice James Edelman had decided to refer Pell’s application for special leave to appeal to the full court “for argument as on appeal”.

    The decision sets up a special full court hearing that will consider both the application for leave to appeal and Pell’s substantive case together. It means there is a chance the court may not grant Pell’s special leave application.

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    “There did remain a reasonable doubt as to the existence of any opportunity for the offending to have occurred,” Pell’s appeal application said. In a criminal trial it is up to prosecutors to establish proof, not the defendant to prove innocence, and the filing says the Victorian appellant judges wrongfully reversed this onus of proof.

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    In their submission to the high court, prosecutors said Pell’s appeal should not be heard because it raised no question of law of public importance. Rather, they said the appeal invited the court to apply established principles to the facts of the case which had already been “carefully and thoroughly” explored by jurors and the majority of the court of appeal. But the high court disagreed, ordering that the case be heard.

    The decision was delivered by Justice Michelle Gordon, who along with Justice James Edelman agreed to take the case. While an appeal is usually decided by a full bench, the decision as to whether an appeal hearing is granted is usually made by one or two judges.

    The legal parties were not present when high court delivered its decision on Wednesday morning. While an oral hearing sometimes accompanies an appeal application, in this case the court decided to hear the appeal based on the papers filed to the court alone.

    It will be Pell’s last resort of appeal, with any decision of the high court final and applicable to all other Australian courts. Each justice will make their own decision on the appeal, and will likely provide their own written reasons which will be delivered at a date set after the appeal hearing concludes. Unlike a jury, who in most cases need to reach unanimous decision, cases before the high court are decided on a majority.

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    Inside the Pell trial: we sat in court for months, forbidden from reporting a word
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    Pell, 78, is now in Melbourne assessment prison, where he is serving a six-year prison sentence. He will be eligible for parole in 2022, once he has served a period of three years and eight months.

    In December a jury returned a unanimous guilty verdict on five charges after less than four days of deliberation. He was found guilty of sexually abusing two 13-year-old choirboys at St Patrick’s Cathedral when he was the archbishop of Melbourne in 1996, including oral raping one of them. He sexually assaulted one of the boys again a few weeks later, groping his genitals in a corridor of the same church.

    By the time the complainant spoke to police in June 2015, the other victim had died from an accidental heroin overdose at the age of 30.

    More to follow soon …
    • In Australia, Blue Knot Foundation can be contacted on 1300 657 380 or at www.blueknot.org.au; Bravehearts Inc, which offers counselling and support for survivors and child protection advocacy, can be contacted on 1800 272 831; 1800 Respect is a 24-hour telephone and online crisis support service available on 1800 737 732 or at www.1800respect.org.au; for 24-hour crisis support and suicide prevention call Lifeline on 13 11 14 or visitwww.lifeline.org.au.
     
  20. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Thank you for posting. Will pray.
     
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