Pope Regarding Hell: “Let not your heart be troubled.”

That's just John Allen trying to give the impression that while he knows there's something amiss, there's really nothing to see. A plain, unvarnished treatment of the ongoing Pope Francis/Scalfari scandal would likely curtail his welcome in the corridors of the Vatican. Should that happen, CNN might have to look elsewhere for an "expert" on all things Catholic.

 

I think with Pope Francis the phrase, 'Hidden in plain sight', rings best true. He is not silly, he is not stupid, he is not incompetent nor is he on some kind of drug. He is not some kind of mean well hobbyist.

He is one very,very smart shrewd operator as we might expect from a Jesuit. He is an expert weaver of tales. People seem flummoxed at the idea that one person can sell two lines at the same time. That they can speak out of both sides of their mouth.

Francis is a ducker and diver. Shrewd as shrewd could be. I never thought him silly, or stupid or incompetent. Not for one minute. One serious dude this. Captain Double speak

 

In fairness to Pope Francis, here is a more robust and factual defense of the controversy (and more-follow the links) from a non-liberal source:

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/04/yes_virginia_the_pope_does_believe_in_hell.html

 

The idea that one person could say two mutually contradictory things appears impossible to many people. They have led very, very sheltered lives; ask any politician

I don't find it impossible at all. I simply find it convenient

 

I came across the following video a few months ago, it is over two years old now.

I feel bad for these young people it is apparent that they are struggling in trying to do the right thing. I offer it here just as an example of what the average Catholic is experiencing in the past couple of years and how as Catholics their instinct is to defend the Pope although they know that something is not right.

 

Quite frankly it doesn't matter if the Pope has mentioned Hell in homilies, etc. The Pope's former homilies are not the current problem. The current problem is that on two (count them two) separate occasions the man hand picked by Pope Francis to interview him multiple times has claimed that Pope Francis actually holds heretical positions on both the existence of Hell and the immortality of all souls. In essence he has said the Pope is a heretic.

A more serious charge there could not be.

For the good of souls the Vatican NEEDS to address these accusations properly. To say that Scalfari did not directly quote the Pope is not enough. This has gone worldwide and caused huge confusion and scandal. They only need to issue a one sentence response: "Pope Francis holds to all Catholic teachings including the doctrines of Hell and the immortality of the soul." That's it. No one is asking for anything more.

Why won't they say that?

 

I will say this much about the latest spin on "who said what". I don't believe Pope Francis is the False Prophet, but do not for a second think that this current confusion by Pope Francis is not a forerunner to what the False Prophet will be selling and his half-truths will dwarf what anyone has heard to this point. To put this into context, when the False Prophet arrives on the scene of the world, things will be in a very very bad state with major disasters, solar system out of balance, war and desperation. The Antichrist will, as Archbishop Fulton Sheen said, be performing counterfeit miracles, while the False Prophet will use these fake miracles and demonic rhetoric to persuade the lukewarm Christians to follow his lead and reject the supernatural warning given through God's last grace of mercy to this sinful generation. They will willingly do so, and take the mark of the beast (microchip) in order to buy and sell and have some living conditions and food deprived to those who remain faithful to the unchanging truths of the bible and church teachings. The remnant faithful will live, not unlike those who came out of the bondage of the Pharaoh in Egypt. Remember only two (2) out of over 600,000 who left this bondage entered the promised land. Only those who do not grumble about their lack of food or living conditions and remain faithful will enter the 7th day of rest or the Era of Peace as our Lady of Fatima foretold. Study this story of exile, because if we don't learn from it we will surely fall as the Israelites did.

 

If ever we needed evidence that Pope Francis is a chameleon Catholic, that article provides it. The link to the Pope's defence of traditional marriage takes you to a statement when he was a Cardinal in Buenos Aires and eyeing his promotion to the papacy. According to a gay marriage campaigner at that time, then Cardinal Bergoglio told him something along the lines that the Cardinal didn't really mean what he had said but that he had no choice but to make that statement. His actions as Pope, especially in light of the recent statement by the priest performing the we-don't-call-it-marriage blessings of gay unions bears out what the Argentinian gay marriage campaigner said.

I couldn't find his statement about abortion in one of the links. The other link was to a line buried in Laudate Si, most of which document was written by non-Catholics with atheist and non-Christian input.

"We don't need to be talking about these things all the time" is the real message of the Pope's opinions on the slaughter of the innocents and blessing sodomy. Amoris Laetitia's misrepresentation of the role of conscience as specified by the Council of Trent is another indicator of what Pope Francis really believes.

When the Church is desperate for a shepherd, the Cardinals gave us a politician.

Here's another one of those Lutheran Satire videos. Like all those videos, there's more than a hint of truth in their sneering at the Catholic Church. Sadly, the young woman depicted in the video is typical of Catholics who have the Pope's ear. Sadder still, this is the type of Catholic the next Synod will be pandering to while young Catholics who actually try to practice the faith in the face of ridicule from the likes of her will be marginalised by those from whom they should be receiving encouragement. All hail the Church of Francis.

 

The comfort zone position here is that since he's Pope there must be some misunderstanding, he's made some mistakes, maybe, but since he's Pope he must be an alright stand up guy. So any interpretation of what's going down will, naturally enough to a leaning that far backwards falling down position that, 'The guys got to be alright somehow anyhow,' stance.

In addition there is the guilt stance; 'He's the Pope gotta watch myself', view.

For myself I have seen some very, very smart operators in my time, but I have to say Pope Francis could teach them all lessons. I am not built to be shrewd like that. You have to pretty well not sleep at nights to be as sharp as this and I was never too good to at being a poker sharp. I like the game but I know when I meet one when I 'm beat.

The problem is basically, he's the Pope and as such he'll pretty well get away with anything for most Catholics well.. because he's Pope. Pope Francis knows this and is banking on it. As I say, very shrewd.
At best people are confused, as planned. At worse, he says it , its gotta be right, there's just no such thing as a bad Pope; right? (like we never had a bad, wicked or rotten Pope in our entire 2,000 year history of the Church)

For a few of the more wide awake we're in a big, big jam with this guy. For the rest dream on....the media's out to get him, you're Conservative so you hate him, you're not moving with the times, you're not good Catholics, the guy's learning the job..whatever...

blah, blah, blah..

 

I

Some of those youth actually love a conservative Church. I believe there is a great blend. If what comes out of those future Synods is more tolerance, we do not have to follow and live our own lives according to that leniency, giving ourselves greater permissions. (When I hear of greater leniency without annulments and those in blended marriages-Lutherans being given Eucharist in a Catholic Church, I want to boil, and ask 'since when?!' I'm sure others felt the same way right after Vat II.)

Always be merciful to others in the sense of allowing God to be the judge while ourselves showing Christ's love and mercy. We are otherwise called to live out Christ's teachings as such is the Magisterium.

 

So how can this be changed in the name of 'Mercy'?

Seems pretty straightforward to me.


Matthew 19

Teaching About Divorce
19 Now when Jesus had finished these sayings, he went away from Galilee and entered the region of Judea beyond the Jordan. 2 And large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.


3 And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for any cause?” 4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?” 8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”a]">[a]


10 The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.” 11 But he said to them, “Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. 12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”

 

Again, Padraig, beautifully said!!

 

"Some of" will be drowned out by "most of" who have the ear of our hierarchy. If the last Synod is anything to go by, the outcome has been pre-determined.

 

http://www.fatimaperspectives.com/fe/perspective1180.asp

Countdown to a Dire Conclusion
by Christopher A. Ferrara
April 2, 2018
As of Easter Monday we have yet to receive from the Vatican, much less from Pope Francis himself, an actual denial that Francis told Eugenio Scalfari that the souls of the damned “are not punished” eternally and that “there is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls.” As noted in my previous column, this is at least the second time Scalfari has quoted Francis to that effect on the pages of La Repubblica.

The “denial” issued by the Vatican Press Office tellingly fails to dispute the material accuracy of Scalfari’s quotation of the Pope, harping instead on the claim that it is not a literal, verbatim transcription. Nor does the Vatican positively declare that Francis rejects the opinion attributed to him and affirms the Church’s infallible dogmatic teaching on the eternal punishment of the damned in hell.

Moreover, as Gloria TV notes: “Scalfari produced articles after having talked to Francis in September 2013, July 2014, March 2015, November 2015 and 2016, and July 2017. Five of these articles produced Vatican denials. But these denials cannot be taken seriously as Francis keeps receiving Scalfari in order to feed him with material for new articles.”

How can anyone reasonably dispute that claim? Why indeed would Francis continue to have conversations with Scalfari, knowing they will appear in print, unless he is satisfied with the accuracy of what Scalfari has consistently presented as his opinions? What other reasonable inference is possible? Are we to infer, instead, that Francis takes some sort of perverse pleasure in having heresy put into his mouth by a lying journalist, whom not even the Vatican has been willing to accuse of lying?

One dogged defender of the indefensible has taken me to task by noting that if my views were mischaracterized by a reporter who quoted me for a proposition that is the opposite of what I believe, “Ferrara then [would] ferociously object[] to this characterization of his views.” Exactly so. And exactly what Pope Francis and the Vatican have not done in this case.

We are now in a virtual countdown to the conclusion stated by Gloria TV: “Therefore it is beyond reasonable doubt that Francis uses his inflammatory statements to Scalfari in order to sew [sic] confusion among the simple faithful and further produce conflicts and division in the Church.”

Why else has Francis himself declined to correct one jot or tittle of what Scalfari presents to the world as the opinions of Francis? Why has the Vatican failed to state, even once, that Francis rejects the numerous outrageous opinions Scalfari claims he has uttered during their conversations? Why, on the contrary, has the Vatican publishing house published two of Scalfari’s five interviews in a book of the Pope’s interviews and conversations with journalists, including the one in which Pope Francis is quoted as stating: “I believe in God. Not in a Catholic God. A Catholic God does not exist”?

As Pat Buchanan has observed regarding the latest Vatican non-denial of a quotation of Francis that Scalfari has published:

“Sorry, but this will not do. This does not answer the questions the pope raised in his chat. Does hell exist? Are souls that die in mortal sin damned to hell for all eternity? Does the pope accept this belief? Is this still the infallible teaching of the Roman Catholic Church? However one may applaud Francis’ stance on social justice, on matters of faith and morals he has called defined doctrine into question and created confusion throughout the Church he heads.”

The Vatican cannot continue to play this game of “hide the heresy” while Francis observes a studious silence regarding the heretical view on the existence of hell he is quoted by his friend as having uttered in private. We are in the final countdown to the dire conclusion that the current occupant of the Chair of Peter embraces a radical heresy (which is not even to mention the spreading heresy of moral relativism regarding the Sixth Commandment spawned by Amoris Laetitia).

The only one who can negate that conclusion is Pope Francis himself — not merely by making references to hell every now and then, as he has done in the past, but by positively repudiating the statement denying its very existence that his friend Scalfari has published as his personal view. Indeed, what Catholic in his right mind would not repudiate an heretical statement falsely attributed to him before the whole world? All the more so the very Vicar of Christ!

On that score, I can only echo the words of Chris Altieri in The Catholic Herald:

“Pope Francis must disown not only the precise verbiage Scalfari reported in his piece, but the ideas foisted upon him therein — at least the ones that are manifestly heretical. The longer he does not, the stronger the case becomes for believing he cannot.”

The Pope’s continued silence in these circumstances can mean only one thing: consent.

 

Exactly so.

We're dealing with a super, super, super, bad dude.

The worst, the very worst. I had no idea, I thought it was far, far too soon for someone like this to emerge from the deep darkness; but he has, oh he has.

The Second Coming


Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

 

https://www.infowars.com/the-popes-attempted-impeachment/

Pope accused of heresy over public assertions on the non-existence of hell
Leo Zagami | Infowars.com - April 2, 2018
Last week at the Vatican, an attempted impeachment of the Pope for heresy was made by a group of influential cardinals. On Thursday, the group allegedly sent an emissary, a foreign cardinal, to warn the Pope about the imminent threat of impeachment he would face. He was urged to dismiss his public assertions on the non-existence of hell as fake news, by his good friend and collaborator, left wing journalist Eugenio Scalfari, whose sin was to simply use brackets for the first time in his interviews with the Pope.

This shocking news and the risk of impeachment for Pope Francis has been confirmed by Antonio Socci, one of Italy’s leading Catholic journalists and a best-selling author, who is also the director on behalf of RAI, the Italian State owned TV of the advanced School of radiotelevision (RAI) journalism of Perugia.

Socci stated that after the threat by the group of cardinals, who talked through their representative about two possible heresies commited by the Pope that could lead to violation of the Canon Law and his impeachment, Jorge Mario Bergoglio called His Excellency, Giovanni Angelo Becciu, Substitute of the Secretariat of State, now in charge of the Knights of Malta, and a trusted confidant of the Pope, for his advice.

Becciu told Bergoglio to retract these statements immediately, and last Thursday, the Holy See released an official statement on the non-validity of this interview with Scalfari, the third in recent years, whose past interviews where even included in official Vatican publications on the Pope, issued, of course, with Bergoglio’s direct approval, even when deemed controversial, to say the least.

To save the Pope from this growing crisis that is affecting the identity of the Church, even Repubblica, one of Italy’s leading newspapers, founded by the same Eugenio Scalfari, ran an article today, Monday the 2nd of April 2018, by Piergiorgio Odifreddi, stating that everything Scalfari wrote about the Pope, should be dismissed, and can be simply considered Fake News. A final blow to the credibility of Scalfari, who will probably never interview the Pope again and be blacklisted, after a long career as a Marxist propagandist and a servant of the elite.

In the meantime, the only Fake News that we can fully confirm comes from the Vatican itself, and the recent endorsement of Pope Francis by Pope Ratzinger in a falsified letter that has brought the resignation of Monsignor Dario Edoardo Viganò, Prefect of the Vatican’s Secretariat for Communication, in late March. The Pope is losing control of the Church, and in a growing fear of schism and possible scandals, he is trying desperately to find external support for his modernization of the Church, something Ratzinger categorically refused.

Will the Pope eventually resign or will Bergoglio be impeached? Discontent in the Vatican grows every day, and signs of an imminent catastrophy seems to be around the corner. Last Thursday, while the Pope was kissing Muslim feet and pieces of the Basilica of St.Peter’s were falling to the ground, an Australian magistrate closed a month long court hearing of evidence on whether the most senior Vatican cleric ever charged in the Catholic Church sex abuse crisis will stand trial.

Yes, we are also at the final stages of Cardinal’s Pell case, and Belinda Wallington told the Melbourne Magistrates Court she will finally make her decision after lawyers make their final submissions on April 17, to decide if prosecutors have a strong enough case against Australia’s highest-ranking Catholic, Cardinal George Pell, to warrant a trial by jury. Something the Vatican his trying to desperately avoid.

 

Brian, Thank you for posting this. The following is the video that is posted in the article.

 

This guy Leo Alex is quoting is far , very far from reliable; check it out. A real, real light weight. I would totally disregard this. The Stars and bars flag in his lapel is a clue, I mean really.. an Italian?

 

Padraig, I noticed his American Flag pin also, his name is Leo Zagmai. This is not that far from what Socci stated though or is it? I am referring to some cardinals approaching the Pope about his statements on Hell to Scalfari.