.....I have been watching the Warning second coming post for approx 6 months. Even though I know that we are to live our days as if our Lord Jesus will come at any moment and we must be ready, but I still feel intrigued with the messages. Some tend to be off a bit at times and it worrys me. I don't want to feel scared thinking that the end is near. I don't worry about myself as much as I worry about others going to heaven. I know that I'm no good for heaven and certainly not worthy but I want my family to make it there. God's mercy is my only chance! God bless! I wouldn't realy worry about the salvation of folks honestly concerned about their spiritual state, concerned that is enough to look inside their hearts. The people who have most to worry about are the folks who do not worry at all. You can see this at the last judgement. in the story of the sheep and goats: The Sheep and the Goats 31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Note that those who are damned seem honestly surprised that they are getting the thumbs down, for THEY think they should could be getting the big thumbs up.....the reason why they are so surprised is they have long since smothered their poor consciences to death and are stone cold deaf to the voice of their guardian angels who can jump up and dwon, wave his arms and use a rock and roll sound system...they'll still not hear. So the fact you ask this question pertaining to salvation is positive. I am not so sure about this 'I am going to hell ' stuff . Scripture tells us quite specifically that our God is a God who saves, that even if our sins are red as scarlet God will make them white as snow. The best thing we can too for God is to show Him complete confidence and trust. he loves us like crazy. Like a madman. Trust then not in your own goodness but His, think of todays wonderful reading from Romans... Romans 8:39 ....neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is ......as for the salvation of your family consider your soul as like a stone falling into a pond casting ripples. We none of us go to heaven alone, we none of us go to hell alone. The best way to bring love is to be love, th best way to assure the salvation of our family is firstly to assure our own salvation. We cannot love God unless we first love ourselves, we cannot bring our family to heaven unless we bring oursleves. So pray and trust. Concerning apparitions that scare and cause you to loose trust and peace you flee from them as you would from the devil himself.... No loving mother causes terror to her children. God Bless. Padraig
Re: Catholic Legate, Canada on salvation Sunday, March 4, 2012 Catholic Legate, Canada uses a defacto-defacto interpretation of magisterial texts: who gave them permission? No magisterial document recommends this analysis John Pacecho, Art Sippo and Peter Vere are saying every one defacto needs to enter the Church for salvation but some defacto do not have to. Hence the baptism of desire is an exception. This is irrational and contrary to the Principle of Non Contradiction. Here is the ‘dogma’ mentioned in the Letter of the Holy Office. Catholic Legate has the choice of using a defacto-defacto interpretation or a defacto-dejure analysis. They choose the defacto-defacto (explicit-explicit) version instead of the rational explicit-implicit interpretation. LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE ‘… none of those existing outside the Catholic Church... can have a share in life eternal... unless before death they are joined with Her... No one... can be saved, unless he (Defacto) remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) (Defacto) ‘… when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire…’ - Letter of the Holy Office 1949 (Emphasis added). POPE PIUS IX (Allocution December 9th, 1854) Pope Pius IX was saying: (Defacto):'We must hold as of the faith, that out of the Apostolic Roman Church there is no salvation; that she is the only ark of safety, and whosoever is not in her perishes in the deluge…’ and (Defacto): ‘we must also, on the other hand, recognize with certainty that those who are invincible in ignorance of the true religion are not guilty for this in the eyes of the Lord...' The Catholic Legate website says defacto, explicitly every one needs to be a formal member of the Catholic Church for salvation and defacto, explicitly some non Catholics on earth do not have to be a member and these cases are known to us. They are known to us so they contradict the dogma outside the church no salvation.This is irrational. This is the interpretation of Fr.Hans Kung . The Catholic Legate uses a defacto-defacto analysis of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.If one uses the irrational defacto-defacto analysis of the above magisterial texts instead of the traditional dejure-defacto interpretation it would mean the popes contradicted themselves and that Vatican Council II contradicted a defined dogma. It would be a criticism of the infallibility of the popes ex cathedra. It would also be contrary to the Principle of Non Contradiction. It is also heresy to claim that there are defacto exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. With the defacto-dejure analysis we see that the Magisterial texts affirms the traditonal interpretation of the Church Fathers, the saints, the popes and Councils, including Vatican Council II. This was the traditional interpretation of Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston. QUANTO CONFICIAMUR (Defacto) 8. ‘… no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church – Quanto Conficamur, Pope Pius IX 1863 (Defacto) 7. ‘… those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments...-Quanto Conficamur There is a choice always: VATICAN COUNCIL II (Defacto) ‘The Church…is necessary for salvation… faith and baptism…for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.’-Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II. (Dejure or Defacto) ‘…those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God…’ (Lumen Gentium 16) John Pachecho, Art Sippo and Peter Vere contradict each other on the website. They are obviously sincere and are trying to be faithful to the teachings of the Catholic Church not realizing that there was a flaw which originated with the Archbishop of Boston Richard Cushing. Explicitly known baptism of desire is the Richard Cushing Error. He assumed that those saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance are defacto known to us. The cardinals who issued the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 could have also been influenced by the Archbishop of Boston stating only those who know would be condemned implying that we know cases of persons saved with the baptism of desire. Critics of the Letter of the Holy Office point out that this document was not signed by the Secretary of the Congregation and not published in the Acta Apostolica Sedis. Fr.Karl Rahner was quick to include it in the Denzinger Enchridion. There were also anomalies in the excommunication for disobedience, and not heresy, of Fr.Leonard Feeney. George Brenner writes (Feb.12, 2012 ) http://theblackcordelias.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church/ The Archbishop of Boston never responded to these questions and neither did he lift the excommunication after the Letter of the Holy Office was issued. He gave all of us Catholics a new doctrine with a defacto-defacto interpretation of standard magisterial texts.- Lionel Andrades IF THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 CONSIDERED THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE AS A DEFACTO EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA IT WOULD BE AN OBJECTIVE ERROR: WE DON’T KNOW ANY SUCH CASEhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/03/if-letter-of-holy-office-1949.html ALL THE CATECHISMS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAVE TAUGHT THE RIGORIST VIEW OF EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/03/all-catechisms-of-catholic-church-have.html The Vatican Councils of the Catholic Church have clearly taught that formal membership in the Catholic Church IS absolutely necessary for salvation http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/03/vatican-councils-of-catholic-church.html No pope has said that those saved in invincible ignorance are known to us and so are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/03/no-pope-has-said-that-those-saved-in.html Being saved in invincible ignorance is not a defacto exception to the teaching of Cantate Domino Council of Florence http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/03/being-saved-in-invincible-ignorance-is.html The Catholic Legate - John Pacecho, Art Sippo,Peter Vere contradict each other ? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/03/catholic-legate-john-pacecho-art.html Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church is in agreement with the rigorist interpretation of outside the church no salvation http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/02/blog-post.html Whether they know it or not non Catholics with the stain of Original Sin on their soul and mortal sins committed in that state and without the Sacraments outside of which there is no salvation, are all oriented to Hell http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/02/whether-they-know-it-or-not-non.html When one is clear that all those saved are explicit only in Heaven it is not difficult to affirm ‘the formal necessity of belonging to the Church’ http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/02/when-one-is-clear-that-all-those-saved.html Ultra Traditonalists in accord with Vatican Council II on extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/02/ultra-traditonalists-in-accord-with.html DOES THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACH THAT MUSLIMS ARE SAVED ?http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/02/does-catholic-church-teach-that-muslims.html http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/03/catholic-legate-canada-uses-defacto.html
Interesting: http://news444.com/a/685931/lionel_andrades:_ewtn_position_paper_at_odds_with_authentic_catholic_teaching. I will need time to pray and study this before commenting. Mostly time to pray. :wink:
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/06/will-gerry-matatics-leave-sedevacantism.html Sometimes you have to question a persons purpose.
