Just a little correction that might help those who actually think that we are able to live completely in the Divine Will by living in the state of grace on this earth. But in order to stay in the state of grace we have to obey orders or the laws given to us. The Divine Will needs no laws since it exists always in perfection. Unfortunately that admits that there is a duality imperfection here within man's own defective will. He can thus go in and out of that grace while on this earth because of that reality. When one lives in the Divine Will, one lives with the perfect Will of the Trinity that cannot leave that perfection. It's not an act of "doing" but of "being" without attachment to the former things. When Adam left the Divine Will and was subject to the defective will of his own, by choice, there had to be ways given to man in that state that would admit him back into God's grace....but not necessarily into the Divine Will or the Garden....since as we pray in the perfect prayer given to us by Jesus for God's Will to be done on earth AS IT IS IN HEAVEN where no one goes out of the Divine Will that has to be a time to come in the future in God's own time after all has been corrected and purified. The sacraments themselves given to us after Adam's separation from the Divine Will were LIFE preservers of God's Mercy so that we may correct our human will while on earth and stay connected to God UNTIL the renewal of the face of this corrupted earth by sin and the "recreation" of ourselves in order to enter into this New Era. As long as we need such LIFE boats due to our defective natures/wills, there is not as yet that renewal of Adam's original state of living in the Divine Will which is up to the Father to create again.
Dear Mary thank you for getting back to me. Just a correction to start with; you state that I... didn’t continue quoting when you wrote satan just tempts, souls say yes. Please read my reply again and notice my first sentence where I fully continued to quote your words being..... Jesus tells us in these writings "mans will is the most evil thing there is". Not Satan, Satan just tempts you souls say yes. To address your current assertion that Mans will is the most evil when it is done instead of Gods Will. I would like you to consider the first chapter of Genesis where we read that after each day of Gods creation, it is emphasised as good (not evil) in fact the word "good" is used 6 times before verse 26! In verse 26 God creates man in His image and Likeness, thereby giving man a complete Human nature and a complete Human will. To emphasise the goodness of Gods creation of the Human Will we read in Verse 31 that God saw all he had made and indeed it was very good God Himself sees His creation of Mans Will as very Good. All things God creates in us and for us are good and become even more blessed in His sight when we use them to Glorify God. (Please read the Catholic Catechism.) If we use our tongue to Glorify God we have Blessed God! (As Catholics we are called to do this) If we use our hands to Glorify God we have blessed God! ( As Catholics we are called to do this) If we use our feet to Glorify God we have blessed God! ( As Catholics we are called to do this) If we use our Human will to Glorify God we have given God even greater Glory! You may ask how can that be? The answer is we have did this of our own volition through the power of sanctifying grace that we receive at Baptism and all graces we receive in the sacrament of Confession; God did not force us nor did he make us robots! It is because of the most beautiful and precious gift that God gives us, our Human will which is the power to say Yes and to do His Will! Jesus tells us to do the will of the Father. Mark 3:35 “For whosoever shall do the will of God, he is my brother, and my sister, and mother.” Matthew 7:21 'It is not anyone who says to me, "Lord, Lord," who will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but the person who does the will of my Father in heaven. In the current translations of Lusia works it may sound lovely, deep and mystical (like many prophets of today) But she has Jesus contradicting what he states in the above scriptures..... Jesus to Lusia : To live in my Will is to reign in It and with It, while to do my Will is to be submitted to my orders. The implication is that by doing the Divine will of God, is somehow defective, secondary, submitting to orders! But as Catholics this is so far from the truth because we know through scriptures and through the Catholic catechism, that the Divine will of God is Love! and we will voluntarily to subject ourselves to Love. If we read further in St Matthews Gospel Chapter 7 21 'It is not anyone who says to me, "Lord, Lord," who will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but the person who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 When the day comes many will say to me, "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, drive out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?" 23 Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, all evil doers! 24 'Therefore, everyone who listens to these words of mine and acts on them will be like a sensible man who built his house on rock. (The Rock is the Catholic Church) Faithful Catholics do not place their trust on the current translations of Lusia's written works but on the word of God himself in the Gospels and in Catholic magisterial tradition. To do otherwise is fraught with perils.
All that tells me is that Mark Mallet probably has permission from his own Bishop to read and study Louisa's meditations. I didn't read Mark's blog post but am assuming that he has his Bishop's permission to study the writings but I would like to see something in writing from Mark's Bishop agreeing to what Mark calls the obvious conclusion because his conclusion leaves out the part about "under the guidance and in obedience to their Bishops and priests". Does everyone here have their Bishop's and priest's permission to share, and in some cases explain, Luisa's meditations? The reason I ask is that I don't know who here is working under the "guidance of and in obedience to" their Bishops and priests. Guidance means more to me than random people on the internet giving their understanding of what the text means. I marvel at Frodo's and especially Josephite's patience and tenacity. No adequate "guidance" has been given on the matter of man's will being the most evil thing there is. Before anyone else gives or takes guidance on that question, I suggest they seek guidance from their own Bishop because there are no Bishops posting on this forum.
Not sure if there is confusion or not. If man chooses to speak he can choose to do it for God and Gods Glory in Gods will or he can choose to do it for his own glory in his own will. He can choose to love or destroy. Adam ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Yes we do natural things with our words such as order food, tell our kids to do chores and so on. These acts (words said) are natural not done for or against man or God. How can you say they are good or evil? Quoting scripture and the CCC is not showing that what God told us in the writings given to Luisa about mans will being the most evil thing is incorrect. When Jesus walked on the earth He also did natural acts, but all those acts also gave Glory Praise, Honor and Thanksgiving to God. Everything Jesus did was in the Will Of God. He gave His will to God so did Mary. Therefore His own will was not recognized even in the natural things. Man has not lived in Gods Will because the knowledge of the Gift was not known. Therefore mans acts could be done in Gods Will, his own will or just natural acts. Yes in a state of Grace is the only way one can do Gods Will. When man was created all his acts (natural acts) all gave Glory to God. He lived in Gods Will. He recognized God in everything all of Creation. Adam was tempted, Adam said yes to the temptation separating his will from Gods will. We now have the knowledges to return to living in Gods Will. The Apostles, The Saints and even today our Priests did not and do not know about this gift unless they read the writings. The writings and the Gift were given to Luisa. That’s how God chose to give the gift. The volumes do not contradict Holy Scripture or the CCC it adds more detail. If you have not read the volumes than whatever I write you will not fully understand and it will become a waste of time. The volumes are available for all to read. If you are choosing not to read them, then we who have read them are never going to be able to carry on a conversation regarding this gift. It’s not a prideful statement it is truth. No one has known about this gift before Luisa and you can not know it unless you have read the writings or have passed away and are in heaven. So to try and disprove the writings with scripture and the CCC is not possible. You will not be able to because all is from God. Trying to prove that I am a heretic, or that I’m going against the CCC or scripture because I wrote what is in the volumes hasn’t happened either. For I love my Catholic Church, Scripture and now the knowledges given to All. My prayer is that All are infused with these knowledges that The Kingdom comes to reign on earth as it is in Heaven. But as for now the only way for that to happen is to read the writings. We can’t give you the cliff notes you have to choose this on your own. Man is the only one that can do acts in his will and do it giving Glory for God or doing them to give glory for himself, if you tried to understand this you would understand that mans Will is the most evil because Satan can only tempt man, Satan can not do acts. Blessings and love always.
We (a group of us) were given permission to have a Divine Will Conference in Arlington, TX with Mass everyday and Adoration. At this conference we had Priests speak on the Divine Will as well as a Mark Mallett and others. Not only the local Bishop but the Archbishop Of Trani, Italy who is overseeing her cause for Beatification. Have you talked to your Bishop? Do you want to? Do you have resources to speak to your Bishop, do you have some writings, pamphlets or other items to give to him? Would you like some?
Mary what you write above is baffling. You ask how can I say that our human will is either good or evil? It was God who said His creation was good; He says this in the first chapter of the Holy Bible which is the inerrant word of God! You also state that Man is the only one that can do acts in his will and do it giving Glory for God or doing them to give glory for himself, if you tried to understand this you would understand that mans Will is the most evil because Satan can only tempt man, Satan can not do acts. Do you really believe this? Because, satan most surly can do acts! His first act was not to obey God.
Did you get permission from your Bishop to give guidance via the internet on Luisa's meditations? If not, how do we know that you are giving correct guidance in response to the issue raised by Josephite? If you do have that permission which I presume would be in writing, would you mind posting a copy of it. No, I don't have any material on Luisa's meditations and I prefer not to get bogged down in it until there is a final, officially approved English translation which presumably will come with Church approved explanatory notes or guidance booklets. I usually avoid the Divine Will threads but happened across the one where what appeared to be Jehovah's witnesses were giving guidance. I wouldn't have opened that thread if the title had indicated that it was about Luisa's meditations. I don't intend to get bogged down in a discussion on this topic but am merely pointing out that Mark Mallet's conclusion omitted the part about getting guidance from a Bishop or priest. That's not to cast any aspersions on Mark because he had already included that caution when he quoted the Bishop's letter. Nevertheless, conscientious and faithful though Mark is, he is not a Bishop and neither are you or any of the other members attempting to explain or provide guidance as to what is meant by the text in the extracts posted on the forum. God bless, and may we all strive to do God's will.
Peace, You win. Satan is doing all the evil, or all sins committed are not because of the human will but Satan. Satan has no feet or hands but he is the most evil. Not humans. God did create all things and all things are good. So the rest of Scripture and the whole story of The Word becoming flesh to save man is not needed because mans will is not evil just Satan. I love you, this was fun. You won. I’m tired. Good night.
Remember Mary its not just the devil, its the following three things. The world, the devil and the flesh!
Sounds like a battle of wills going on, just sayin'. I don't think anyone is more right or more wrong. We have many ways of looking at things. Jesus said, "Not my will but thy will be done" during the agony in the garden. So he has his own will, but deferred to the Fathers will. It's something to ponder . . .
Mary I've had more time to consider your above statement and it requires a more succinct answer to address all of the whimsical assertions. #1: The Truth is not a competition. It is serious! For God so Loved the world that He become incarnate in order to save humanity. He humbled Himself and took our lowly flesh! He spent three years teaching, He was betrayed, He suffered and died the most torturous abject death and beside this He put His singular most pure creature "His Blessed Mother Mary" through these same sufferings in Her Holy Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart! We can see then that this is absolutely not a game. But is a very serious matter. One that means either eternal life or eternal death. #2: God gave mankind freewill that means that we can choose to know, love and serve God, with freedom to freely choose. God has not and will not take our freewill away because it is His gift to us. A gift that is Good. #3: satan has no hands or feet but he is most evil. Not humans. Yes correct! Jesus tells us in John 8:44 The evil one is the father of lies and a murderer from the start, his acts include lies, pride, temptations, disobedience, hate, malice and deception of all kinds. satan was the first to rebel, to disobey, due to his pride. Hell was prepared for satan and the fallen angels #4: God did create all things and all things are good. Yes in Gods perfect original intention! This continues through Christ and his church today, due to Felix culpa (the happy fault), because God has dominion over all and can bring good out of all. #5: So the rest of Scripture and the whole story of The Word becoming flesh to save man is not needed because mans will is not evil just Satan. Hold up there! Where did that come from? We've just seen in in point #1 that God became man to save us and we can now claim Felix culpa. We are redeemed through His sufferings and death as stated in #1 otherwise we would still be in our sin. We are sanctified through the Holy Spirit that dwells in the sacramental life of Christ's Catholic Church. So therefore, the truth remains a very serious matter. We are called to do the will of God, as Jesus has taught us, by offering our will (remember its a good thing, we can offer to God) and follow in the footsteps of Jesus, endure sufferings as Jesus did, for the Love of God. So in Union with Jesus, Mary and St Joseph we can help to save souls because suffering is the proof of Love as Jesus has taught us. Pagraig has put up a brilliant video on this very topic; 'Pope Francis the sins of the flesh thread' and I highly recommend. God Bless Edited to add....... the video I recommended is not in the 'Pope Francis sins of the flesh thread' but 'the tribulation is upon us thread', I think
This is an excellent short overview of the the greatest of all Gifts from God. The fulfillment of the Lord's Prayer. The Kingdom is coming soon!
https://www.catholicdoors.com/isit/isit04.htm Luisa's revelations are not Catholic nor are they from God.
The question is, Prince of Peace, who is promoting such an insult against the Holy Trinity? Is this found in the writings of Luisa herself? Is it found in those officially endorsing her beatification? Is there anyone on MOG endorsing this "prayer"? I have great devotion to the Mother of God, as we all should. But I don't see anyone here offering Mary latria. Now the Church offers the Madonna hyperdulia, but here you are insinuating the promoters of Living in the Divine Will are offering latria to Luisa. Nonsense! O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
All this has been hashed out previously here and in other threads w/ all of the asked for details....... but thanks for providing an older and not currently up to date opinion because even within itself permission is given to read the writings...and that at this date even that portion is not accurate since there are only a selected small group w/ permission to teach and hold gatherings, etc. while the material available for reading by all currently is limited.....but, anyway, the link offered comes to no conclusion itself that would mean they're "not Catholic nor are they from God"!! And there IS currently a selected "definitive interpretation" in that of the tome of Fr. Joseph Iannuzzi: "The Gift of Living in the Divine Will in the Writings of Luisa Piccarreta". "Because this book bears the ecclesiastical “seal of approval” of the Pontifical University of Rome that is authorized by the Holy See, it enjoys a particular status that ensures sound doctrinal content for the Christian faithful." Anyone has permission then to read this and it contains the depth of the extraordinary life of Luisa Piccarreta as well as the in depth meaning of the gift of the “Divine Will”. If one should cause people to think otherwise then they are speaking other than as a Catholic.
Luisa is against the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The Catechism does not grow old. There is no longer anything to hash out.
