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Thank you Brian. Fabulous article. I have information about this St Gallian group, especially if Cardinal Martini was involved with it. Appalling, just like Cardinal Daneels. Thios article explains EVERYTHING.

 

I just want to ask you this if I was to post some horrible article about Pope Benedict and why he may have resigned (and I am not referring to health reasons), how would you all feel? Or were you completely blind to the accusations that were made against him?
In addition, I believe that Cardinal Marx was one of his cronies.
We deserve Pope Francis, ha! Just wait to see what we get next! Many here will want to say, "I told you so", but they probably won't.
Peace to all of you!

Edited: My point is that we can not really be certain as to why lightning struck the Vatican when Pope Benedict resigned.

 

What a crock. That anyone would put their faith in an organization, an article, a journalist and take their word for the goings on in the Vatican that casts suspicion on our Pope is not looking in the right place. I'm sick of all the Pope bashing. God have mercy...many of you need to read Peter B.'s book on the Pope. It sounds like this forum has turned into a page from Maria of Divine Mercy or Kelly Bowring's book.

 

Personally I find what the Pope actually says and what the media say he says are usually two completely different things. The media are misquoting and misconstruing everything he seems to be saying. I find when I listen to what he says it makes sense and does not deviate from Church teaching, but if I rely on the media interpretation I become suspicious.

 

Well, coming from an MOG staff member who agrees with and applauds PeterB's false homosexualist propaganda despite the truth of the matter being explained on the same thread, your opinion in this regard should be given the proper deference it deserves.

 

I have removed my offending posts.
I have thought of posting a modesty thread many times on the forum. But just think it wont be worth it. I would take way to much heat for it.

 

At times like these, it's good to remember that the Holy Spirit is in control of our Church; we may not understand it, but we are assured it is for the good of all His Church. He is guiding us through this maelstrom. At the end, this is what we must hold on to, when confusion is overwhelming us.

Blessings

 

The full article is frightful.



The attitude towards Luther is unbelievable. Look at this transcript...

Pope Francis: I think that the intentions of Martin Luther were not mistaken. He was a reformer. Perhaps some methods were not correct. But in that time, if we read the story of the Pastor, a German Lutheran who then converted when he saw reality – he became Catholic – in that time, the Church was not exactly a model to imitate. There was corruption in the Church, there was worldliness, attachment to money, to power...and this he protested. Then he was intelligent and took some steps forward justifying, and because he did this. And today Lutherans and Catholics, Protestants, all of us agree on the doctrine of justification. On this point, which is very important, he did not err. He made a medicine for the Church, but then this medicine consolidated into a state of things, into a state of a discipline, into a way of believing, into a way of doing, into a liturgical way and he wasn’t alone; there was Zwingli, there was Calvin, each one of them different, and behind them were who? Principals! We must put ourselves in the story of that time. It’s a story that’s not easy to understand, not easy. Then things went forward, and today the dialogue is very good. That document of justification I think is one of the richest ecumenical documents in the world, one in most agreement. But there are divisions, and these also depend on the Churches. In Buenos Aires there were two Lutheran churches, and one thought in one way and the other...even in the same Lutheran church there was no unity; but they respected each other, they loved each other, and the difference is perhaps what hurt all of us so badly and today we seek to take up the path of encountering each other after 500 years. I think that we have to pray together, pray. Prayer is important for this. Second, to work together for the poor, for the persecuted, for many people, for refugees, for the many who suffer; to work together and pray together and the theologians who study together try...but this is a long path, very long. One time jokingly I said: I know when full unity will happen. - “when?” - “the day after the Son of Man comes,” because we don’t know...the Holy Spirit will give the grace, but in the meantime, praying, loving each other and working together. Above all for the poor, for the people who suffer and for peace and many things...against the exploitation of people and many things in which they are jointly working together.http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n...inflight-press-conference-from-armenia-45222/

 

I suggest you look at the documents signed by the Vatican and the Lutheran Church. It will make much more sensense to you Mac. There is no longer a Lutheran Church.

 

Self rightousness is an awful thing. I suggest you put the stones in your hands down. That you think that your sins are less than some person who is struggling with homosexuality is wrong. Cast the first stone.

 

Please see my last post to you. It applies here too. Thanks.

 

Mark is speaking loud and clear to all who are Pope bashing today.
http://www.markmallett.com/blog/that-pope-francis-part-ii/

 

bflocatholic,

I grieve with you. But I will follow Padraig's lead in only this: to ask Mary, the Seat of Wisdom, to instruct my heart! Then I will seek the guidance of my spiritual director.

Safe in the Refuge of the Immaculate Heart!

 

It is my personal opinion that Pope Benedict was a holy but rather weak Pope who was somewhat in the shadow of Pope John Paul 11, himself a truly a saintly man and a very strong Pope who didn't back away from anyone promoting heterodox beliefs. Neither Cardinal Kasper nor Cardinal Marx were, for want of a better description, in tune with Pope John Paul. Somewhere in the back of my mind there's a memory that Cardinal Marx may have been disciplined or silenced by Pope John Paul. Cardinal Kasper served as a kind of intern to Cardinal Marx.

From what I have read, Cardinal Kasper and the then Cardinal Ratzinger were not on the best of terms going back to the days when Cardinal Ratzinger got the "Pope's Rottweiler" label when charged with the task of cleaning up the curia and dealing with the sex abuses cases. There was so much dirt in the curia that it could take a few more papacies to clean it all out. From various pieces I have read, I get the impression that poor Pope Benedict was swamped with the sex abuse cases and dealing with them would have left little time for dealing with financial problems which perhaps were a bigger priority for the Germans. I have read an interview describing how one Cardinal from the group who backed Pope Francis told Pope Benedict to clean up the curia or resign. It's no coincidence that the Vatican finances are a priority for Pope Francis.

Reading various blogs, articles, interviews and comments, I get the impression that the Daneels "mafia" were angry that Pope John Paul wouldn't agree to their liberal agenda and are now trying to implement it by stealth. Women priests was one of their aims but Pope Benedict made sure that couldn't happen so they are pressing on with what they can achieve. I know that it all seems far fetched and hearsay but as time goes on and the Francis papacy unfolds it has a strong ring of truth to it.

There's something about that group and their methods that remind me very much of politicians pushing a liberal agenda. They know how to use the media to their advantage. They have a history of being less than loyal to Pope Francis's predecessors yet insist on absolute obedience to Pope Francis, inferring that his every utterance must be obeyed and that anyone who questions it is a heretic. They are very conscious that they are theologians or have a superior knowledge of Doctrine and infer that everyone who doesn't agree with them isn't sufficiently educated in theology to understand that they are the only ones who know what Jesus really meant. In other words, you're smart if you agree with them and stupid or a hatemonger if you don't. They give the impression that they are true champions of the poor and anyone who opposes them is out of touch yet they talk the talk better than walking the walk. They get their retaliation in first via the Pope's sermons referring to people as heretics or pharisees when a closer look at them suggest that the description fits them better than the people the Pope's comments are aimed at. In short, if they weren't members of the clergy they would be very successful politicians.

 

Amen! Thank you, Kathy.

Proverbs 12:18 There is one whose rash words are like sword thrusts, but the tongue of the wise brings healing.

Too much of the first and too little of the second. I need a sabbatical. Hasta luego!

Safe in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary!

 

There's a lot of straw men built up and knocked down there.

"I have a feeling that this Pope is going to surprise us in very powerful way."

But this much is true.

 

I suggest we all step back in prayer a little.

Prayer is always good advice.

One of the things I was shown in prayer theother day was how very,very nast this would all turn out and I see that this has come to past. But one thing I know is that in presenting the truth I will do so in Chairty. Noen of us are on the side of the angels if we loose chairty. If we loose charity we loose all. This takes prayer and the grace of God. If we present what we believe to be the turth without charity we have lost whatever truth we think we had, nor do we honur God.

I would be less quick with the posts and spending more time in prayer before posting.

 

These really ar ethe most extraordinary tmes. I have been reaidng about them in advance in scripture but never though I would actually live through them.

But I love the scrittpure from St Paul, 'Who will seprarate us from the love of Christ'? This gives me the greatest joy and peace.

But always remember when we loose chairty we do indeed separate oursleves from Christ. Charity first, second and third. Charity and truth of course walking hand in hand.

Personally I would be very slow and prayerful in my posts presently.

I might even make less typos.

 

I always go on the presumption that everyone is else is coming from good place. That they are well disposed even when they disagree with me. I also always go with the open door to the real possiblity that I may be wrong.

If I assume That I am always inerrant, dialogue ends right there. It I also assume that the person with whom I am enteirng into dialogue is coming from a bad place I make dialogue utterly impossible.

If I begin to insult people, well then it is time to walk away.

Time spent in prayer before posting is never wasted. Sometimes it takes much, much time in prayer. For an example look at Our Blessed Lady, who spoke, very, very seldom but when she does speak it is with all the power of Heaven behind her, from a place of the deepest prayer and peace.

Store these things in yor heart. Mull over them in the sea of the Peace of the Holy Spirit. Let us promise each other that is we feel led by the Spirit to speak it may never be with vexation as a partner.

Let us imitate, Mary, Mother of God.

Be at Peace. Speak peacefully, let us , each of us, be a witness to Peace.

Less posts, more prayer.

 

We, who walk in Christ, have an Eternity together. Why this vexatious rush to speak, speak, speak and prove ourselves ,'right'?