If You Can’t Say Anything Nice…

God help us!!

 

A remedy for all your aggravation...milk and cookies...milk and cookies...milk and cookies. Lordy, lordy...as I sit here starring out into space at a billions stars...all different sizes , shapes and colors ...and yet your firmament O' God holds them all safely in suspension. Imagine our soul a star.

 

Heading over the road to the corner shop ( we call them Dairies here in New Zealand) right away to take your advice. Cookies and milk. Exactly what I need. Just had an email from an American friend who was reminiscing how cheap Billy Bars ( had to google these) used to be and how she bribed a friend to walk her home after school with a promise to buy him one. Only she had no money!!!!

 

This left me feeling very sad and relieved at the same time. Sad that a faithful Catholic who should be filled with joy is feeling so helpless. Relieved that before I saw the link I thought that these were Brian's sentiments. I think the blogger needs to concentrate on his family because they are his responsibility and leave the mess in the hierarchy to the bishops whose responsibility it is to protect the deposit of faith. We need to trust that the Holy Spirit will find a way to put things right.

I'm hoping to go to Lough Derg in the morning if I manage to get myself sorted in time. Otherwise, I'll go early next week. I'll be sure to include Peter (and you too, Brian) in my prayers.

 

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No! I have been on the sidelines these past for years, drinking it all in, Great stuff! ...mostly honey but occasional sour grapes. Everyone here has a heart for the Lord and that is really all that matters at the end of the day.

God Bless

 

Outstanding analogy! Thank you so much for your wise words of truth.

 

I know I go on about Garabandal but what you say has also been my belief especially since I was told that Conchita gave the day and date and year of the The Great Miracle to Pope Paul VI. He has passed this knowledge on and so Pope Francis does indeed know we are running out of time to prepare ourselves to meet the coming trials and Tribulation. Like you I am convinced that Francis is the chosen one of God and I am certain that God is well pleased with him. You put it so much better than me: he is indeed in touch with the mystical and is in fact on a course ordained by God. In the end this right will prevail.


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Joe Crozier said: ↑

"I put my neck out (just as well I am an osteopath) and say that Pope Francis is doing his best to prepare us for the approaching Tribulation, Warning and Miracle. In all probability he knows the date of the Miracle passed on from the days of Paul VI. Like us, if the conscience of Francis is in error it will be corrected in The Warning and then if any revision is made in Church practice after the warning we will be sure it is right and proper according to the corrected conscience of the Pope."
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"I hope so. I sure do hope so. No one would be happier than me..."
At the end of the day we shall be judged on love.
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I doubt very much that any major corrections will be necessary. Pope Francis, having broken through to the mystical, is under the direct guidance of the Holy Spirit and God does not make mistakes. The above comment was made in the hope and anticipation of others coming around to this view point.

At first I was encouraged by the above hint of concordance in Padraig's response. Since then huge steps backwards and downwards have been taken but I sense that, with the likes of Brother Al's observation, MOG is once again on the turn. There is a movement afoot. It is struggling up from below, gasping through layers of death and disease formed by the doubt and derision that have choked the truth of our Holy Father.

I see the potential for MOG to once again rise to the surface and breath the oxygen of pure Catholic Tradition untainted by dissent, detraction or division. MOG could once again become the home of the One, True, Catholic and Apostolic Church - the home of the Mother of God. If it does, let us keep it in good order. All we need to do is follow the Pope's lead and example and help each other implement his message which is simple and clear and free of confusion to those of pure heart: MERCY. There is neither room nor time for anything else.

Let MOG once again be a source of edification and in the end we shall be judged on love. And that should make Padraig happy too. I have written to Padraig in the past suggesting that Pope Francis is on a long Holy Thursday. The tide has already turned against our Holy Father. This is most obvious in his own country where he is abandoned and opposed by huge numbers. As scripture says a prophet is accepted everywhere but not in his own county. This is a sign of his authenticity.

He is a prophet, a witness to the truth, the voice of one crying in the desert, "Make straight the ways of the Lord." His day of being overtly betrayed elsewhere is yet to come. His covert betrayal is well underway. He will soon be persecuted and will have to flee to a safe place from whence he will continue to direct the remnant. This is just my humble conviction. I will wait and pray and see. I will survive, God willing.

 

On eve of Pope Francis visit to Poland, country refuses the red-carpet treatment
By Don Snyder

Published July 26, 2016
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Pope Francis is set to arrive Wednesday in Poland, but the homeland of Saint Pope John Paul II – Francis’ most popular modern-day predecessor -- is not rolling out the red carpet for the pontiff whose social agenda has alienated many in the conservative nation.

Francis will be in Krakow to celebrate World Youth Day, the event initiated more than 30 years ago by Pope John Paul II in which hundreds of thousands of young people from all over the world gather. But unlike the favorite son the Eastern European nation sent to the Vatican, Francis has received a chilly reception.

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Pope Francis, seen last month at the Vatican, is not popular in the conservative nation of Poland. (Associated Press)

“The Pope, an inconvenient guest,” was the headline on an article earlier this month in Gazeta Wyborcza, Poland’s largest circulation newspaper.

The event, held this year in the southern Poland city from July 27 through July 31, takes place every 2 or 3 years in a different city. In 2013, the host city was Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

Polish bishops circulated a letter publicizing the event that was read in churches throughout the nation on July 3. The letter praised the late Pope John Paul II three times, yet made no mention of Pope Francis.

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Pope John Paul II addresses the United Nations General Assembly in October 1995. (UN Photo/Evan Schneider)

“Here in Poland – a papal country – we have a very unusual situation,” journalist Katarzyna Wisniewska wrote. “Nobody here is waiting for the pope.”

In a country of 38 million people, 92 percent of whom identify as Roman Catholic, Pope John Paul II, born Karol Jozef Wojtyla in Wadowice, Poland, and canonized in 2014, is among the most beloved figures in history.

Francis’ liberal social positions clash with the Polish church’s conservative orientation and alignment with the far-right Law and Justice Party government. Church support for Law and Justice was an important factor in the party’s landslide victory in the 2015 national elections.

The nationalist party is committed to defending the Catholic identity of a homogeneous Poland.

“Francis is seen as someone strange, alien, and Poles don’t relate to an Argentinian Pope,” journalist Adam Szostklewicz, who writes about the Church and international affairs for the weekly news magazine Polityka, told FoxNews.com.

The pope, who took 12 Syrian refugees back to the Vatican with him after visiting a refugee camp on the Greek island of Lesbos last April, has called upon European nations to admit more Muslim refugees from war zones in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

In his first speech in the country, to an audience including President Andrzej Duda at Krakow’s Wawel Castle, the pope is expected to renew his support for refugees. Three days later, a young Syrian will speak during a prayer service presided over by the pope.

Poles reject that papal call. Seventy percent of Poles don’t want any Muslim refugees, according to a recent survey by CBOS, a leading pollster.

“It is no secret that the message of Francis is ignored by the Polish clergy,” wrote Jaroslaw Makowski in the May 31 edition of Poland’s edition of Newsweek magazine.

According to Father Pawel Guzinski, an outspoken Dominican priest, the Polish Church gravitates more to popes like John Paul II and Benedict XVI, for whom obedience to Catholic doctrine is paramount.

“For Pope Francis, his commitment to the poor and disadvantaged is most important, while doctrine remains in the background,” Guzinski said.

The Polish Church is also anxious about the tide of Western secularism.

Bishop Piotr Libera, in a speech in Radom, equated secularism with multiculturalism.

“It is a leftist policy in which all religions and cultures are equally important,” he said. “But not the one they grew up in. Christian, of Christ.”

This view stands in contrast to Pope Francis' internationalist vision.

“Some Polish bishops actually are afraid of what Pope Francis will preach during the World Youth Day in Poland,” said Stanislaw Obirek, a professor of history at Warsaw University and a former Jesuit priest.

Donald Snyder was a news producer at NBC for 27 years and has been a freelance writer since his retirement. He specializes in Germany and Eastern Europe.

 

Notice the professor above is a FORMER Jesuit priest. The persecution of Francis in Poland is underway.
The Poles have not read this thread.

 

Not persecution.

But much of the criticism is of Pope Francis's political lefty stance.

The Poles have had their fill of socialism - hence their suspicions!

I too dislike Pope Francis' views on politics, environmentalism, economics and internationalism.

Indeed I think he is misguided in many of these areas so personally I just ignore him when he speaks on these issues.

 

I suspect the migrant issue has a lot to do with push-back against Francis. I bet few disagree with him on helping those in need, but the mass migration from Syria and other war-torn Muslim countries is not completely a religious issue. It is a real concern in Eastern Europe, which is watching the horrors in Germany, France, Sweden and elsewhere unfold. Edited to add: He doesn't address those concerns. He needs to.

 

The Poles are wonderful.

 

I believe because the Polish people had their gut full of the Germans and then the Russians ruing them with a rod of iron; they can not be blamed for having problems with the risk of being over run with muslims.

I wished the Holy Father would tell Mexico, and the countries in South America to look after their people instead of demanding USA to take responsibility for people trying to illegally enter USA in that part of the world.

I wished the Holy Father would tell Syria, Iraq, Libya, Egypt and the African governments to look after their people instead of demanding Europe, and USA take responsibility for the refugees fleeing these countries.

Most of the refugees are for economic reasons, so why does the Holy Father ask us to make it our responsibility. Why has he not addressed the Governments of these countries which we hear are so corrupt, and need to get their act together and reform their economies to help the people in their countries, instead of lining their own pockets with the revenues. Just a little rant, and I don't think this is persecuting the Pope, I just wish he would be a Pope, not play the statesman.

 

I agree but the anti pope media is well mobilised as it is in many parts of the world. The anti pope element here on MOG is saying that its a bad sign that he is having everything his way and that he enjoys universal support. What I am saying is that this is far from the truth.

He has much opposition both inside and outside the Church. I expected the above reaction here on MOG to this newspaper report. I had hoped against hope for something better but the grasp of the mystical here on MOG is tenuous when it comes to Francis.

As ever, appearances can be deceptive. I was about to say we can only wait to see the truth but there is much more we can do than just wait. As ever, the truth will set us free from deception.

The Catholic opposition to Francis is like a spiritual enantiomer whose effect on the faith is detrimental and whose hermeneutic fails to perceive the impossibilty of super imposing it on the Truth to good effect. Like thalidomide, a classic example of enantiomer, it produces birth defects rather than its intended effect. It is a mirror image, not a true image, of The Faith.

The Catholic Faith without Petrine authority is an impossibility.

 

I think I might move to Poland when I retire instead of Spain.

But could there be actual hostility to Pope Frankie from Polish Bishops, , people and Government? Goodness why would there be hostility? In a country that is almost entirely Catholic? A country that has a history of centuries of loyalty to the Holy See? I wonder what it could be about this particular Pope that leads them to be hostile? Are they mad? have they lost their senses?

I wonder what? After centuries and centuries of total loyalty to the Papacy, not a peep out of them then out of the blue, Pope Frankie raises hackles. Why? What is it about this particular Pope that makes them hostile, supicious , angry? Well a little bit like myself really.

http://www.politico.eu/article/polands-problem-with-this-pope-francis-krakow-catholic-church/

'Francis, I was told, was “causing confusion” with his statements, giving succor to the church’s critics and in general letting down the church. They could not understand why he appeared determined to chip away at the walls they had built with such effort, and at such cost.'

 

Joe, please don't think I am against the Holy Father. I love his blunt way of putting things, in fact he is a man after my own heart in that respect. LOL

Holy Father Francis is definitely known to have said to the young people go out there and stir things up a bit, make a mess. I wonder if God has sent His Mystical Wooden Spoon to stir things up a bit here on the planet earth. And get things ready for when He comes again in the not to distant future.

I personally feel his statements to us long standing (faithful) Catholics serves to take us down a peg or two, and maybe that is no bad thing. On the other hand, his statements to those who have forgotten or lapsed from the practise of the Faith may serve to encourage them to give God another chance. In both instances it all comes down to repentance; and surely that is what we are all called to do.

We don't need to be mystics to respond to this Holy Father, just look for the good in everything he says.

 

What is it with this calling our Pope Pope Frankie. STOP IT

 

Ephesians 5:11
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.

 

I don't think you are against the Holy Father Julia. I agree we don't need to mystical - I am not mystical - but I see the good in all that he does. This perspective is dismissed by some here as mindless positivism. I do not think God is using him take us down a peg or two. Rather he is trying to get us to pick up our game. To do this we must decrease so that He can increase. As with much mysticism this is a bit of a conundrum but is simple in its implementation: prayer, fasting -as you say, repentance.