Evil Empire or Russia Consecrated?

I doubt East Berliners, Poles, Yugoslavians, Czechs etc etc would agree with you. To suggest that the atheistic horrors of of the Soviet empire are still in place but hidden is absurd.

 

I am not speaking of the land that they once occupied being given back after the cold war, I am looking at prophecy that is saying they will soon reconquer what they lost and more.

 

The Consecration can only happen when it is preformed by the Pope and all the Bishops of the World. The Russian people and the rest of the world depend on Peter for their salvation. Why would God convert the Russian people to any other Christian belief when there is no Salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church. When the Consecration is preformed the Russian people will see that Peter has opened the door to their salvation and will return to the faith from where they First came and return to the Roman Catholic Church along with the Protestants and the Jews.

 

Like I said, I have no reason to believe the Consecration did not happen. Sister Lucia said it happened in 1984 and that's good enough for me. Conversion is a process not instant magic.

I believe Our Lady of Fatima's PRIMARY concern was the conversion of Russia FROM Materialism. In 1917, Russia abandoned her Orthodox Christian roots and embraced State-imposed Materialism. Our Lady came to stem the tide, for clearly Apostasy is a far worse situation than Schism. Our Lady was clearly victorious and now Russia no longer embraces State-imposed Atheism and has returned to her Orthodox roots. Actually, for most of her history, Russia has been Christian. The Soviet Union was an aberration in her history, one which Our Lady of Fatima successfully defeated.

It is my hope that Pope Francis will eventually be invited to Moscow and the process of full communion will begin. But this process towards full communion will be strongly opposed by the Freemasons.

 

You Said,
Like I said, I have no reason to believe the Consecration did not happen. Sister Lucia said it happened in 1984 and that's good enough for me. Conversion is a process not instant magic.

In 1984 Cardinal Bertone produced a sheet of paper which had been typed up and claimed it was from Sister Lucia.
Bertone assured us that Sister Lucia “confirmed” the 1984 ceremony consecrating the world to Mary was “accepted by heaven” as the requested Consecration of Russia. Of course, Sister Lucia was never permitted to address these issues in public, lest she say something the Vatican apparatus did not wish us to hear. The so called meeting he had with Sister Lucia was not Taped, Videoed, or even any minutes taken Why?. Also Conversion can be an instant process ask St Paul. When the Consecration happens everyone in the world will know that it comes from God. I would call this a miracle you might call it magic.

 

I don't buy into unsubstantiated, undocumented, slanderous conspiracy theories, especially when they attack legitimate Church authorities.

Our Lady of Fatima came to call for the Conversion of Russia from Atheism and in that regard there can be no doubt that she was successful. Conversion requires the free will of the participant and in fact conversion is a lifelong process and a daily struggle.

But since you put more stock into conspiracies and unapproved private revelations, I am curious: what do you expect to happen when the "proper" Consecration occurs.

 

1. One Faith and one Shepherd to all nations.

2. True Faith with Catholicism in which the Sacred Truth shall be taught based both on Sacred Scripture and Tradition including the universal veneration of Blessed Virgin Mary among all men.

3. Complete obedience of all corporal leaders of all nations to the Holy See.

4. All social standards and moral values shall be drastically changed in conformity to the Teaching of the Holy Gospel.

 

Richard67, Our Lady of Fatima was confronting Russia's communistic belief. If you think communism has been won over in Russia, you are seriously mistaken. The Triumph of the Immaculte Heart of Mary will not take time, Mary said it would take place when Russia is consecrated to her. She did not say it would be a lifelong process! It comes after the formal consecration. Now we know the world has been consecrated to her, but not Russia in union with the worlds bishops. After the consecration takes place the whole world will see a profound manifestation of Mary's Triumph of her Immaculate Heart. They will know Russia has been converted through her. The world will see Russia as a beacon of light to Christianity and commuism will be defeated in that country. That is what I anticipate to see at the very least. Lucia said that the consecration would come late and it will.

 

Sounds like you view the Consecration as some sort of political weapon with which to control Russia. What a shame! That is not the purpose of any Consecration let alone the Consecration of Russia which was done properly in 1984 according to legitimate Church authority which all Catholics must obey.

And those 4 points above, where are you citing them from? I don't recall Our Lady of Fatima making any of those demands upon Russia.

You are ignoring the context and purpose of Our Lady of Fatima. Our Lady's PRIMARY concern was the conversion of Russia away from Atheism. If our Lady's primary concern was the healing of the Eastern schism, then why did she wait until 1917 to make her requests? The Eastern schism happened in the 15th Century. But Our Lady of Fatima came in 1917, the same year that the Atheists took control of Orthodox Russia. Clearly, her purpose was to save Russia from Atheism, and get her back on the right path and in this regard she was successful.

 

Fatima, a case could be made that the United States is more Communist than Russia currently, which makes your point moot.

The 1984 Consecration was done because the legitimate Church authorities said it was done and there is not a credible reason to believe otherwise, unless one makes the mistake of entertaining unsubstantiated innuendo and conspiracies.

 

part of a message given Michael Dibitetto

November 11, 2014

YOUR PRESIDENT … HE IS AGAINST RUSSIA AND CHINA … BUT NOW HE’S BECOMING ‘BUDDY, BUDDY’ WITH CHINA AND WANTS CHINA’S HELP TO GO AGAINST RUSSIA …
DOES HE NOT REALIZE … RUSSIA AND CHINA … ARE REAL BUDDIES … AND IT CAN BE A TRAP FOR YOUR PRESIDENT … TO BE TRAPPED IN … AND MAJOR DISASTERS WOULD OCCUR …

~ ~ ~

From the NY Times

November 11, 2014

Today, President Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping are jointly announcing targets to reduce carbon emissions in the post-2020 period. By doing this – together, and well before the deadline established by the international community – we are encouraging other countries to put forward their own ambitious emissions reduction targets soon and to overcome traditional divisions so we can conclude a strong global climate agreement in 2015. ...

* * *

The Blessed Mother reveals Obama siding with China to go against Russia. Except, Russia and China are brothers. He is -fooled- Obama.

Some believe Communist Frank Marshal Davis is President Obama's real father. America is nuts (diabolical disorientation) for electing BHO.

 

Actually you have bought into one of the biggest unsubstantiated, undocumented, slanderous ,conspiracy theories.

 

Oh yes it is, Oh no its not!

Have I stumbled across some Fatima Christmas pantomime?

Haven't we been down this fruitless path before?

 

No, I accept the official statements of legitimate Church authority as every faithful Catholic is bound to accept.

I reject the devil's whispers suggesting that we should slander and trash the reputations of legitimate Church authority.

 

Yeah, I know its hard for most to swallow ,that some legitimate church authorities could mislead.
You should perhaps try reading some Prophecy, Church approved at that.

 

Richard67
Fatima, a case could be made that the United States is more Communist than Russia currently, which makes your point moot.

In all her appearances to Sister Lucia at Fatima and all the appearances through out her life Our Lady never mentions Communism once to Sister Lucia. She talks about the ERRORS of Russia of which Communism is only one part, there are other errors Russia has made including Schysm, Abortion. In 1920 Russia became the First Western Country to legalise abortion giving Russia a 40 year head start on the rest of the world.

Richard67
I reject the devil's whispers suggesting that we should slander and trash the reputations of legitimate Church authority.

Dear Cardinal Bertone: Who — Between You and Me — is Deliberately Lying?

Expert: Antonio Socci (Italian journalist and author of Il Quarto Segreto di Fatima [“The Fourth Secret of Fatima”] published in Italy in November 2006).

Summary: Is Antonio Socci, author of Il Quarto Segreto di Fatima (“The Fourth Secret of Fatima”) published in Italy in November 2006, falsely accusing Vatican Secretary of StateCardinal Bertone of deliberately hiding part of the Third Secret? Is he a “liar” or “someone who consciously lies”? Or has Cardinal Bertone, Vatican Secretary of State, used his book L’Ultima Veggente di Fatima(“The Last Visionary of Fatima”) and the authority of his office to further cover up the truth regarding the Third Secret and to silence his opposition?
Amazingly enough, Socci recounts that he received a personal letter from Pope Benedict XVI “concerning my book, thanking me for ‘the sentiments which have inspired it.’”405 Furthermore, the Pope had not written a single word publicly (or evidently even privately) criticizing Socci’s conclusion that the Vatican apparatus, now led by Cardinal Bertone, was engaged in a veritable conspiracy to conceal precious words of the Mother of God from the Church and the world! Indeed, the Holy See has to this day observed a conspicuous official silence concerning Socci’s book, leaving Cardinal Bertone to fend for himself.

 

Never heard of this Socci character. Sounds like another peddler of innuendo and disobedience - the modus operandi of the Freemasons. If you think I am going to listen to Socci over Cardinal Bertone, Sister Lucia, Pope Benedict XVI, Saint John Paul II, you must be joking.

But thank you for bringing my attention the real reason behind all this disobedience towards legitimate Church authority on the matter of the Consecration: the fantasy that the Consecration is some sort of political weapon or magic wand with which to control Russia.

 

quote="Richard67, post: 74790, member: 4259"]Never heard of this Socci character. Sounds like another peddler of innuendo and disobedience - the modus operandi of the Freemasons. If you think I am going to listen to Socci over Cardinal Bertone, Sister Lucia, Pope Benedict XVI, Saint John Paul II, you must be joking. But thank you for bringing my attention the real reason behind all this disobedience towards legitimate Church authority on the matter of the Consecration: the fantasy that the Consecration is some sort of political weapon or magic wand with which to control Russia.[/quote]


Richard67 all this has been hashed out extensively on this forum in the past. Many of us held your view until we put much time and study into the issue and realized we were being dupped. I for one do not have the time or desire to do it again. I suggest if you really want to learn more in this area that you put Bertone's name in the search box. It has all been debated extensively before.

 

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A new book by Ted Flynn of signs and wonders for our times called the Great Transformation is a good read. He gives his reasons why the consecration of Russia has not been done. Either way we need to pray for the triumph of the immaculate heart of Mary.

 

The first thing the new owners of the Ukraine did was take all their gold. This war against Russia is an attempt by the western central bankers to get their gold back. The bankers support their economic adventures with the use of the military , first an economic war soon to be followed by a nuclear one. I guess Russia should just let these bankers come in take their gold also. There is no gold left at Ft Know to back up the paper money we call the dollar. Here is part of an article on zero hedge about the potential ramifications:

COULD A GOLDEN ROUBLE CATALYSE A GLOBAL REMONETISATION OF GOLD?

There is another aspect to consider, however, which is the possible impact this policy would have on the dollar and the international monetary system. Recall that, as the primary global reserve currency, the dollar circulates in vast quantities abroad, where it forms the bulk of the monetary reserves of central banks. This is in part what allows the US government and economy generally to finance themselves at such low interest rates. But other factors equal, if the dollar suddenly faces competition from a credible, gold-backed currency, it is likely that, at a minimum, central banks are likely to diversify at least some of their dollar reserves into interest-bearing, gold-backed roubles. Countries importing oil from Russia would have an additional incentive to do so as they would be able to pay for Russian oil imports in roubles and avoid sanctions. Speculators (or investors) anticipating an eventual internationalisation of the rouble would front-run these developments, pocketing a nice return over time.

The implied upward pressure on US interest rates would be perhaps small initially, but even a small rise in US interest rates would spell trouble for a US economy that is so highly leveraged to low rates. Growth would slow. The Fed could try to offset this by engaging in renewed QE, but that could add fuel to the fire, resulting in aggressive selling of dollars in the foreign exchange markets. In an extreme but hardly impossible scenario, the dollar could lose reserve status entirely, something that would be devastating for the US economy. While a sharply weaker dollar would help US competitiveness and exports over time, it would crush the dollar’s effective international purchasing power (eg for oil and other resources) and result in soaring consumer price inflation. The combined negative impact of higher interest rates on growth and rising consumer prices on inflation would make the stagflationary 1970s look like a picnic.

As I argue in my book, THE GOLDEN REVOLUTION, a loss of reserve status for the dollar would have vast repercussions for the international monetary system.[9] While a gold-backed rouble could challenge the dollar to a certain extent, it is unrealistic to think that an economy the size of Russia’s could back the dominant global reserve currency. No, as the dollar’s share declines, most probably multiple alternative currencies begin to serve as reserves. This is where things get interesting, however. Other factors equal, as a currency is used as a reserve, it strengthens that currency. That might be unwelcome in some economies heavily geared toward exports.

Thus dethroning the dollar does not end the currency wars but rather could escalate them further instead as one country after another tried to offset dollar weakness by weakening their own currencies. This sort of ‘race to the bottom’ was seen in the 1920s and 1930s, culminating in US President Roosevelt’s executive decision to devalue the dollar by some 60% in 1934. In that instance, however, the dollar remained backed by gold and by what was by far the largest global economy at that time.

Not so today. The global economy has become increasingly multipolar, with both the euro-area and China roughly as large as the US. Moreover, the US has a huge accumulated and external debt, implying a growing risk of debasement and devaluation in future. As it stands today, only 2.3% of the narrow US money supply is backed by gold. Thus the US is simply no longer in a position to be a ‘monetary hegemon’, providing the global reserve currency.

But as all large economies have their own debt or other financial issues with which to deal, no major currency is in a position to replace the dollar as the pre-eminent reserve. This implies that the global monetary system is highly unstable. The dollar is hardly the only currency at risk of debasement and devaluation. Game theory implies that a race to the bottom is distinct possibility and it is unclear whether the dollar would lead or follow in that race.

As I further argue in my book, this combination of economic multipolarity and the instability of the current global monetary equilibrium is highly likely to result in at least a partial if not full remonetisation of gold, with an associated, large rise in price. Gold is the ideal way for countries to settle their trade imbalances in a world in which trust in currency stability is lacking. Accumulating reserves that can be summarily devalued by trading partners in a currency war is not a rational policy. Yet something must function as a reserve asset if trade is to take place at all. Gold provides that ‘something’ as supply is stable and it cannot be arbitrarily devalued. Backing currencies by gold would thus greatly increase trust and, thereby, facilitate international trade.

Those familiar with the 1870s will note that there are now strong parallels with that important decade. Following German unification and the US recovery from the Civil War, both of these economies were catching up rapidly with Britain. Japan had begun to industrialise. Under these multipolar conditions arose spontaneously, absent formal diplomacy, the classical gold standard system that would underpin decades of arguably the fastest sustained global economic growth ever experienced in history.[10]



SO, WILL PUTIN PLAY THE ‘GOLD CARD’?

Let’s now return to Russia and leave aside a biased western perspective for the moment. Putin has arguably accomplished more for Russia than has any other contemporary leader of a major country. Yes, he may be something of an autocrat, but please show me one major developed country that has never been ruled by an autocrat. (The USA began its life under George III and borrowed the bulk of its legal code and political culture from the UK.) Under Putin’s leadership, Russia has maintained its territorial integrity, something that had been left in question following the collapse of the Soviet Union, and Russia retains a formidable military capable of defending its vast frontiers (although not capable of policing the world). The economy has grown rapidly and, while still resource-dependent, has begun to diversify in various ways. (Keep in mind the young USA was regarded by Europeans as a largely resource-dependent economy.) Russia has built strong economic and political ties not only with the BRICS but also many smaller economies in Eurasia and elsewhere around the world. Russia has only a small accumulated national debt, implying that this will not be a drag on future growth, as is likely to be the case in the US, EU and Japan. Russia also has an advantageous tax system, with a top 13% rate of income tax. Yes, Russia remains an economically unequal society, but we know what has happened to inequality throughout the developed economies in recent decades, not just following the 2008 global financial crisis.

Given these achievements, Putin is not a leader to be taken lightly and we should pay attention when he says it it his desire to end the ‘dictatorship of the dollar’, as he did just this week. [11] Perhaps he will indeed play the gold card he has hidden up his sleeve and thus kill two birds with one stone: shore up the rouble and Russian economy on the one hand; dethrone the dollar on the other. A period of international monetary and associated economic chaos might ensue, but with Russia suffering already under unwelcome sanctions and thus with relatively less to lose, Putin might calculate that now is the time to make his move. He may have already achieved his place in the Russian history books but imagine how he will be regarded in world history books if he sets in motion that which culminates ultimately in the return to some form of global gold standard.

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