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Hope to clear this up a bit more. I was just pointing out that there are multiple interpretations on the Nephilim within Catholic teaching. Some ascribe to the fallen angels interpretation where others ascribe to the Seth line. There is no authoritative teaching. We are free to believe either one.

You are assuming that the bishops ascribe to the fallen angels interpretation because of the FOOTNOTES and COMMENTS that are listed in the NAB, not the scripture itself, which is on their website. The NAB is on their website because that is the approved translation for our Mass. The comments and footnotes from the NAB are not from the Bishops. The best approach when using the NAB or any bible is to remember that, while the Scripture is inspired, the footnotes and commentary is not inspired, or even authoritative Church teaching. So just because the NAB is listed on their website it does not mean that the council of bishops ascribe to this particular interpretation within the comments. In other words, the footnotes of the NAB are not the USCCB official teachings.

 

Just wanted to clarify this in showing that MC and MS7 may both be correct in ascribing to their particular interpretation of this Nephilim

 

You are incorrect. This is the "dance" people do to try to get around what it actually says in Genesis 6.

The "sons of god" ALWAYS means the angelic order. Read Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, and about WHO saved them from the furnace of Nebuchadnezzar.

Also read the Apocryphal text "The Book Of Enoch", which fills in the blanks. The Book of Enoch is quoted in the New Testament as well, in the Book of Jude (one the SAME subject):

Jude 1:6
"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgement of the great day."

 

incorrect

 

it is stated clearly in Jude

 

That is OK. Still doesn't mean you were taught truth.

 

Jude 1 is talking about fallen angels, it is not talking about the above subject. The fallen angels did not marry people.

 

It would appear there are a few people that think differently on this Jon.

 

You have to read the Book of Enoch to recognize its quotation and reference by Jude...Then the context is clear.

 

You speak with too much confidence in something you cannot know for certain.

 

I shall read the book of Enoch, but Jon.. you know, it seems that theologians disagree on this too. So we at ground level are going to also. I have no problems believing what God can do. I just have to look out of my window to see how amazing He is. It is not a question of that at all.

We are taught that angels have no sex, that they are spiritual beings? So I really can't tally the two, isn't this humanizing them? I shall read Enoch, but I still know what I was taught, also what was said by a priest on EWTN, I shall also ask my parish priest where the discrepancies have come from and why is there this problem with this particular part of the bible.

 

Well I shall live with that Jon. I could however say the same about you

 

I speak with great confidence you are right Jon, because I am confident in the love and mercy of God and I know that I am His child.

 

The Book of Enoch, written during the second century B.C.E., is one of the most important non-canonical apocryphal works, and probably had a huge influence on early Christian, particularly Gnostic, beliefs. Filled with hallucinatory visions of heaven and hell, angels and devils, Enoch introduced concepts such as fallen angels, the appearance of a Messiah, Resurrection, a Final Judgement, and a Heavenly Kingdom on Earth. Interspersed with this material are quasi-scientific digressions on calendrical systems, geography, cosmology, astronomy, and meteorology

To read furtherhttp://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe

 

Wish we could find all those 'lost' books of the Bible. THAT sure would clear up a few things! lol

 

OK, so where are those lustful angels who could not resist but to take the daughters of humanity as their wives? What happened to them? what are they NOW?

Angels by definition do not need to marry and do not lust

 

isn't THAT the key?

 

Mothersuperior7, maybe you then can help me with this ( I ask without any irony, I just do not understand and can't piece it together) - if Angels married humans, their offsprings became giants ( I can live with that) which later disappeared, those human wives, obviously, eventually, died, what happened with those one-time married angels?

 

Full Question

An answer in the February 1994 issue confused me. You stated that Church councils rejected 1 and 2 Esdras as non-canonical, yet my Douay-Rheims lists these two books. What's the story?
Answer

The confusion is caused by the fact that some of the books of the Bible and the apocrypha (those which do not belong in the Catholic Bible) have changed names over the last few centuries. You have put your finger on the most confusing name change there has been. Read carefully, because this is tricky.
There have been four books associated with the prophet Ezra (also spelled Esdras). In some circles these became known as 1, 2, 3, and 4 Esdras. In other circles, the first two of these (1 and 2 Esdras) became known as Ezra and Nehemiah, while the second two (3 and 4 Esdras) became known as 1 and 2 Esdras.
The first two of the four books belong in the Bible and are accepted by both Catholics and Protestants as canonical. In older Catholic Bibles they were called 1 and 2 Esdras, but now they are more commonly called Ezra and Nehemiah. The second two of the four books (sometimes known as 3 and 4 Esdras, sometimes known as 1 and 2 Esdras) do not belong in the Bible at all and are not accepted by either Catholics or Protestants.
When we said that the Church councils did not accept 1 and 2 Esdras, we were using the modern system of book names and were referring to the two formerly known as 3 and 4 Esdras.
One final note to the confusion: While 3 and 4 Esdras are not accepted by Catholics or Protestants, some Eastern Orthodox accept one or the other of them.

Answered by: Catholic Answers Staff