Charlie Johnston.

Uncorroborated? How so? Did I say something untrue; did he not post two rebuttals to the National Catholic Register piece and "gently" remind the writer that he won a libel lawsuit and that small publications can lose their insurance and go under after a lawsuit? I don't know about you, but that's thuggish behavior in my book.

Continuing on the subject of unkindness, I felt Charlie was unkind to this poor fellow who posted about his anxiety after reading dire predictions of the future, in Charlie's blog of April 1, 2016. Charlie quoted a comment about him from the Mystics of the Church site. He dismissed the poster's worries as funny and annoying at the same time. This is noteworthy because Charlie went out of his way to respond to a poster at another site and then discredit the person.*

If forbidding Charlie the use of Catholic venues in the archdiocese of Denver is not a judgment on him, then that word has no meaning, nor do the words "to strongly advise...prudence and caution." Read the plain text. The archdiocese apparently did a preliminary review -- moving quickly in this case after questions poured in from around the country-- and issued a preliminary report. The panel the archbishop set up did not get to the question of whether his "alleged visions and messages" -- their term--were actually divinely inspired or not.

Charlie spins a good story. We have him as the only source, though, for all the stories of friends in high places, bishops who support him, key contacts in the chancery, etc. In journalistic practice, a one-sourced story isn't solid.

Why do I write about Charlie so much? Because people ask me questions, raise points, or question my motives! I'm not running for "Sherpa" so I feel free to answer any way I wish.

*Edited to add link to Charlie's blog: https://charliej373.wordpress.com/page/7/

 

Your negativity, Harper, is making me more positive about Charlie than I was previously. You don't seem to like the guy or his beliefs. Fair enough but trying to persuade others not to like him or his views isn't a very Christian pastime. I might take more notice if you provided some specific information that illustrates your concerns. Saying "I felt Charlie was unkind to this poor fellow who posted about his anxiety after reading dire predictions of the future, in Charlie's blog of April 1, 2016. " is not very helpful. At the very least, copy the text of whatever upsets you.

 

You confuse corroboration with interpretation.

Neither do you know what it is like to be libeled. The NCR is indisputably a small publication, but a private individual is even smaller. It all boils down to who is right and who is wrong. If a man is right, or believes he is, he is entitled to defend himself as best he can.

It is stretching the English language beyond breaking point to imply that judgement can emanate from a preliminary report. If Johnson is judged guilty of heresy or unCatholic behaviour, it is his Bishop who is truly guilty for not issuing an outright condemnation, warning and forbidding Catholics from having anything to do with him. He has not, by any means. If such preliminary reports consisted of the final 'judgement' you describe, very few accepted visions or prophesies would have passed muster. The default attitude of the Church is naturally one of scepticism and the 'devil's advocate'.

 

Harper, let the blind lead the blind! Don't disturb yourself with their nonsense.

 

\I don't follow Charlie the way that some of you do but he seems like a good person and he is trying to take "The Next Right Step". I would like to see the post that Harper is talking about, if Charlie did in fact answer badly to this fellow then it would be good for him to see what you are referring to.

On a side note which is related, I know a little about CJ's predictions for the US election and for the president AND I do find it somewhat interesting how WikiLeaks/Russia (prophetic IMHO) might be related. You all know that Russia might have put WikiLeaks up to the email hacking, correct? Please correct me if I am wrong. And Wikileaks is waiting until September/October to release more emails on both Clinton and Trump, there may be something which points to the POTUS also.

Also, I highly doubt that he would be making anything up. Why? And if he believes these messages are from heaven he needs to share them.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/.../trail-of-dnc-emails-russia-hacking.html?_r=0
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ase-as-storm-clouds-gather-for-candidate.html

But I pray that he is not correct because he predicts @26 million in the US are going to die, correct? I don't know what to say to those who are scared by his predictions other than, why worry what good is it doing to do?

EDIT: Serena reminded me of one thing I left out, pray for Charlie and Serena expresses this well. Pray for all of us.

Here is an article that speaks of WikiLeaks data on both Clinton and Trump:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/...kely-more-controversial-than-any-trump-leaks/

GOD BLESS US ALL!

 

Lily, I speak for others here who I am sure do not wish to be described as "blind", or "talking nonsense" when we are dealing with serious subjects.

If you have a clear point to make then it should be made.

As I said earlier, it can be very difficult to get the tone right on a forum.

It's also good to use quotes so we know to whom you were referring in your comment so that that person can reply.

 

If people are 'for' Charlie, fine. If people are 'against' Charlie that's fine too. Just everyone needs to show respect to each other. Of course people who have doubts about Charlie will speak of him in a negative way, whilst those who seem him in a better light will speak more positively about him and may even feel the need to defend him! That's common sense. But at the end of the day, regardless of what Charlie says we need to remain faithful to the Church and nurture our faith, have our lamps lit and full of oil in preparation for the coming of the Bridegroom and 'to stay awake' because we do not know the day nor the hour when Jesus will call us home...being prepared to meet the Lord is our priority. Prayer, mass, sacraments, adoration, fasting is what will help us to face any storm in our lives. If we focus on these preparations then whatever Charlie may say won't really matter if he is proved to be true or false in what he speaks of.
Personally, I think Charlie is sincere and soon enough, God willing, we shall see what unfolds. In the meantime I think the best thing we can do for him is pray for him. Because if what he is told comes from God, then he needs our prayers to help deliver this message, but if it does not and he is misguided then he needs even more prayers! God bless Charlie Johnston! God bless all those you have chosen to lead and guide your people.

 

JAK, I hope there will be someone prepared to step forward if things get very bad.

Hopefully after the Warning there will be no detractors left to cast stones at their perceived objects of scorn, for they themselves will know they too have been caught in the sights of God's judgement. So let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

 

There's a link at the bottom of that post that leads to the article. There was also the date of Charlie's blog post.
Trying to bring to light problems with a person who claims to be chosen by God to lead my country after "The Storm," and who is influencing others to take action now online is a perfectly fine Catholic pastime, in my opinion.

 

DeGaulle,

Actually, I've worked as a reporter and writer for a number of newspapers, and written for a wire service and regional magazines. I know about libel. NCR did not libel him. Charlie would not go ahead with a lawsuit, since it would open him up to the discovery process. But he knows the threat of one is intimidating. So is pointing out the issue of insurance.

If you read my post you'll see I said preliminary, not final judgment, and spelled out the archbishop's ruling. One can indeed make a preliminary judgment. The archdiocese judged him not worthy to speak at Catholic venues. That was prudent and wise.

 

For those who wanted to see the text referred to as "unkind" it's here.

How would you feel if your pastor spent time during the homily talking about how someone in another parish dissed him and he heard about it?

Since Charlie sets himself up as a world-historical leader sent by God to lead us in the rescue and to help restore order in the United States (or the world, he never defined how far his Sherpa-ship extends), shouldn't he be judged by that standard?

If I had God, the Angel Gabriel and the Blessed Mother visiting me, I don't think I'd worry about "negative press." I'd trust God to take care of it...


I Proclaim the Rescue
Posted on April 1, 2016 by charliej373

By Charlie Johnston

Sometimes friends send me little snippets of what others are saying about me on the Internet. Yesterday a guy sent me a comment that I think was pulled from the “Mystics of the Church” website. When the commenter says “he” it is me he is talking about. This was part of the comment:

“It seems like he’s trying to work us all up into a frenzy again similar to what happened over this past summer where many of us were living hour-to-hour during the months of September and October waiting for the complete economic collapse where money would be worthless, worldwide civil wars, millions dead, and tanks rolling down the streets. And to be honest I was taking Xanax on pretty much a daily basis during the months of September and October waiting for the crash. During that period I took time off work to get my license to carry, stockpile water, food and medical supplies to the point that my house even today is filled to the ceilings with boxes of supplies. You can’t walk 5 feet in my house without tripping over boxes. We don’t have company over the house anymore and my kids can’t have friends over because the inside of my house looks like we’re hoarders. My kids have asked me if the world is ending because they knew something is wrong with all the stockpiling. I even contemplated having my 11 year old daughter’s braces removed last fall because I was so fearful that during the collapse her Orthodontist would be unavailable. Thank God I didn’t do that. So either this guy is telling the truth and we are about to experience a period of hell on earth worse that any previous time in human history or he’s a crackpot.”

This comment struck me as both funny and annoying at the same time. The frenzy he speaks of rose because of predictions made by the old Locutions to the World website (LttW), which I consistently said I did not believe was of divine origin. Then he goes on to say that he was doing exactly the opposite of what I have recommended to people in preparing for difficulties – and so because bad results came from believing predictions I said were not authentic and doing what I warn people against doing, he thinks people should be very cautious in taking what I say to heart?! I am speechless.

 

Could you please copy the text from Charlie which leads you to believe that "Charlie sets himself up as a world-historical leader sent by God to lead us in the rescue and to help restore order in the United States (or the world"

As for Charlie's response to the comment in the 'Mystics of the Church' website, it seems perfectly reasonable to me! What's your problem?

 

David,

I'm leaving for a few days and don't have time to write much. But Charlie has been told he is to prepare people to get through the Storm, and lately ordered to create a blueprint for a Regency form of government. If that isn't a world-historical figure, a leader at the worst crisis in history, perhaps you can label it something different.

If you want details, why not look them up or ask Charlie yourself?

Also, from Mystics of the Church site, this excerpt from a discussion on Charlie's post of April 1, 2016. I am not the only one who took Charlie's post as personal and pointed.

You can read the entire thread here: http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2016/03/archbishop-of-denver-ruling-on-charlie.html

Steve said...

Hi anonymous above,

The prayer cards are being sold by a third party religious goods company not by Charlie. There are plenty of things I find concerning in regards to Charlie's messages, but I'd have to say the sale of a $1 prayer card by a third party is not one of them.

I did read Charlie's post this morning, and took note of these comments:

"Things are speeding up throughout the world as things break down."

"Right now, many things are collapsing before our very eyes."

"But soon (and it is happening far more rapidly than I expected) availability of normal services will be spotty..."

It seems like he's trying to work us all up into a frenzy again similar to what happened over this past summer where many of us were living hour-to-hour during the months of September and October waiting for the complete economic collapse where money would be worthless, worldwide civil wars, millions dead, and tanks rolling down the streets. And to be honest I was taking Xanax on pretty much a daily basis during the months of September and October waiting for the crash. During that period I took time off work to get my license to carry, stockpile water, food and medical supplies to the point that my house even today is filled to the ceilings with boxes of supplies. You can't walk 5 feet in my house without tripping over boxes. We don't have company over the house anymore and my kids can't have friends over because the inside of my house looks like we're hoarders. My kids have asked me if the world is ending because they knew something is wrong with all the stockpiling. I even contemplated having my 11 year old daughter's braces removed last fall because I was so fearful that during the collapse her Orthodontist would be unavailable. Thank God I didn't do that.

So either this guy is telling the truth and we are about to experience a period of hell on earth worse that any previous time in human history or he's a crackpot.



March 30, 2016 at 8:27 AM

L Spinelli said...
Steve, that's terrible. Rest assured, you're in my prayers.

Your reaction to CJ's messages is why Abp. Aquila urged caution in his statement.

CJ's prophecies and posts, if one isn't a diehard follower, provoke a good degree of anxiety and fear. Neither of those are from God. That's why I think - since I first found his blog in late 2014 - that he either has an overactive imagination or has been deceived by something since childhood.

March 30, 2016 at 10:18 AM

L Spinelli said...
Also, about CJ's prayer. Isn't the whole point of prayer surrendering to God's will and trusting Him? Hasn't it been that way since the dawn of Christianity? So why do we need a special prayer from CJ, which he seems to promote more than the prayers that have been prayed by the faithful for centuries?

March 30, 2016 at 10:23 AM

Glenn Dallaire said...

I was recently discussing many of these things with a friend and this is what I concluded:
While it is definitely quite possible that Charlie is mistaken/deceived, either way I really do think that a significant economic crisis is soon forthcoming, which could be completely independent of Charlie's take on things. The reason I believe that a economic crisis is likely to occur is due to the fact that quite a few mystics over recent decades have spoken of a upcoming "purification" or "warning", though the prediction of a military conflict with Islam and particularly China seems to be unique to Charlie. Yet, its also quite possible that military conflicts are also part of the purification-warning that many mystics have prophesized about. So really NONE of these predicted things are really unique to Charlie, except the prediction of the miraculous "Rescue" in late 2017.

And so this is why that in my mind even if the financial collapse and military conflicts (ie-"Storm") DOES IN FACT occur in upcoming months, I don't think this would be a sure confirmation of Charlie's purported mission, because quite a few mystics have spoken of this purification-warning, and even quite a few secular commentators have been speaking of a imminent financial crisis for some time now, as most here well know. In fact in recent months the internet is rife with financial collapse warnings from some very legitimate secular sources. And so the absolute confirmation would only come with the miraculous "Rescue" in late 2017, yet one would have to concede that a financial crisis and military conflict with Islam and China would really be quite a "guess" if such were to occur. However, the predicted miraculous Rescue in late 2017 is obviously on a completely higher (heavenly) level.

And so, as for preparing materially for these predicted events by setting aside some food, water etc., I personally think it is very prudent to do so, given that numerous mystics and visionaries apart from Charlie have predicted this warning-purification, let alone the prospect of regional weather catastrophes and personal events (loss of job etc) that occasionally befall us. Up until just recently, our predecessors had pantries full of food, "just i case" hard times came. And nowadays, most of us spend a good deal of money each month on car insurance and house insurance "just in case" an accident or calamity befalls us. I see prudent "prepping" in the same vein. But it must be done thoughtfully and in moderation, without going overboard or in excess.

Again just my opinion, for whatever it is worth.
May God bless all who visit here.
Glenn Dallaire


Anonymous said...

Dear Steve. I just wanted to apologise to you and express my heartfelt concern and sympathy for the appalling way CJ used and ridiculed your post above about the anxiety you experienced as a result of his warnings, writings, presentations about a storm. What a hurtful thing for him to do! To say someone else's distress was laughable and annoying and then roundly criticise the person to try to sure up his own position publicly. I found it truly disgusting. I felt compelled to let you know that Jesus is not laughing at your distress nor does he find you annoying. Put your trust in Him, He loves you and your family. Follow His advice. I disagree with Glenn and therefore CJ. Man does not live by bread alone, Jesus is the true bread. We do not know what is going to happen so it is more prudent to trust in God than "prep. "
This post is another piece of evidence that CJ is far from authentic. He says he is not predicting a storm but that we are in it but then goes on to predict that it is going to get worse so we had all better watch out and be prepared. Contradictory. I will pray for you and your family Steve.
Continued...

 

Rest of it:

April 2, 2016 at 4:02 AM

Glenn Dallaire said...

That "laughable and annoying" statement that Charlie made struck me also. I personally did not think it was appropriate and seems to me to be lacking in charity. I understand Charlie may have been ruffled a bit and wanted to reply to Steve comments, but in my opinion he could have left this particular statement out.

And Steve, I wanted to thank you for your sincere comment and for sharing your perspective and experiences here. I sincerely appreciate hearing everyone's thoughts and perspectives.

May God bless all who visit here,
Glenn Dallaire

April 2, 2016 at 8:28 AM

L Spinelli said...
Steve, your reactions certainly weren't laughable or annoying to me. I have a diagnosed anxiety disorder, so I know where you're coming from.

Even though Charlie keeps stressing that they're not the heart of his mission, he still speaks about, as he puts it, "bluntly fearful" things. I have a hard time understanding - probably because of my anxiety disorder - how he is "baffled" by people going on Xanax, for example.

Keeping you and your family in my prayers.

April 2, 2016 at 8:38 AM

Steve said...
Thanks, Lisa, Glenn, and Anonymous.

Something bugs me about the real-time nature of all this. Yes, we're in the Internet age but does it bother anyone else that from the comfort of our homes we can now pick up our iPhone and immediately checkout the latest message from beyond the veil? I find this phenomenon especially true with Medjugorje. Here followers of Christ can have messages from the BVM delivered right to their Inbox every morning! Really? Is this what our spiritual life has become?

One of the previous commenters said that regardless of whether these prophetic warnings are true or untrue, it keeps them praying. As I'm getting older I'm becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the type of spirituality that we need to get ourselves all worked up over possible Three Days of Darkness, Illuminations of Conscience, Chastisements, Storms, shifting magnetic poles, etc., in order to rouse us to prayer. Ditto with a spirituality revolved around bleeding statues, bleeding hosts, stigmatas, bilocations, incorrupt saints, etc. And yes, I realize I'm saying this on a "Mystics of the Church blog, but what ever happened to "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed"?

In the 1970s I followed Fr. Gobbi. I read his messages every day, and I had tapes of his talks that I listened to in my car whenever I was driving. I was obsessed with his messages. When he visited the US I followed him like a groupie to the point that one time I even snuck into the sacristy at a Church where he was about to say Mass and knelt before him to ask his blessing. Fr. Gobbi's writings had multiple Imprimaturs and Fr. Gobbi even said Mass with Pope St. JPII. And yet his prophecy about the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart before the year 1998 never materialized. I made many major life decisions in the 1980s, in terms of my career and in deferring marriage, because of what I believed to be the impending Triumph.

We're told not to despise prophecy. But does that mean that everyone who puts up a blog and claims to have conversations with heaven is to be given the benefit of the doubt? When Our Lady appeared at Fatima she was a woman of few words. And she was a woman of even fewer words in the Gospel. And in terms of the Fatima seers, they said what they said and that was it.

 

Harper, you are the one making ridiculous claims about Charlie. I'm not going in search of stuff that upsets you. All the above text that you have copied in no way responds to my previous post. You try to denigrate others without any justification or even a basic understanding of the person you are trying to denigrate.

 

Harper,
You are spending a lot of time on Charlie when in a previous post you said that you had dismissed him.

If you don't believe him, that's fine.

How about posting something positive and supportive about some one else?

Any good stories?

 

I copy a summary of Charlie's thoughts as provided on the 'Mystics' website:

Charlie states that this great “Storm” consists of a worldwide economic collapse, resulting in the toppling of governments around the world, along with a series of wars; the first war being “…the confrontation with, and fall of political Islam”, followed by a “...confrontation between the Judeo-Christian world and the current government of China.”

To summarize Charlie's prophesies for the "Storm", he essentially predicts a crippling worldwide economic collapse resulting in societal chaos and strife in an unprecedented scale, bringing with it serious disruptions in all areas of society, including technology etc, along with a war between China and the rest of the Judeo-Christian world which all together will, according to Charlie, bring humanity to a point wherein most everyone around the globe will lose hope.

However, in late 2017, Charlie prophesies a miraculous "Rescue" through the direct intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, which according to Charlie, all of humanity will witness and personally experience. This predicted miraculous Rescue will put an immediate end to the Storm, and humanity thus renewed will begin rebuilding its governments and societies.
​

I've no idea whether Charlie will be proved right or wrong in part or whole, but I believe there is nothing there to provoke the sort of judgmental comments of Harper.

 

Ridiculous? Well, that's your opinion. We've often disagreed in the past.

"You try to denigrate others without any justification." Already answered above; there is a value in bringing to light issues with those who demand attention as God's messengers. Charlie demands attention. What's more, he's eager to have an impact on the real world by asking followers to take action on various issues (Joe Cronin, Planned Parenthood). He's flexing his muscle and developing core groups around the country. How many mystics do this?

"Basic understanding of the person"... Check out the now-locked thread which included comments Charlie made elsewhere on the internet. He showed contempt for others; used vulgar language, and off-color jokes. Well into the time of his alleged mission.

I'll be offline for the next few days, David, so you'll have to wait for any future responses.

 

I think it is always wise to be prudent, as it is said.........' fools rush in where angels fear to tread'!

As Catholics we all know that the evil one, has an intellect that is far greater than our intellect. The evil one knows so much more about God than we mere mortals can understand.

It was satan's disobedience and pride that caused his fall; however he still retains his great intellect and knowledge. But I think it's this very knowledge of God and God’s goodness that would cause him the most pain, as he will never enjoy the beatific vision again and he knows this!



Because of the evil one’s jealousy and hate, he cunningly combines his great intellect and knowledge with a deception [ a lie], to steal man away from God.


That is why it is said that the evil one will tell a thousand truths to seed a lie. We are not wise enough or strong enough to counter his attacks on our own, and that is why we depend totally on Our Lord and the help of Heaven! Especially on our recourse to Our lady


Oh Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.

Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, Pray for us.

 

I try to keep my opinion of Charlie to a minimum. I have always stated hes a nice guy. My greatest issue is that he says "the visions asked him to expand Hail Mary". I am a strange character...my personal belief is certain prayers have great power. And when millions around the world say the same prayer...it gives greater glory to God. Just like Mass...1000's masses said at same time, create a certain energy. Its like a dim light bulb, when we turn it up becomes brighter... till it dims again.

So, my biggest issue is, adding lines to one of our greatest spiritual weapons...is dangerous.

But he has 16 monthes left on most of his predictions. The statement "our prayers have been answered and God is giving us more time". Won't work. When Obama leaves office that will be the beginning of the end. And if the prophecies, he stated, doesn't take place in 2017...then the visions were false.

He should have been a plain prophet but by saying he had visions. Those prophecies carry more wieght.

May Gods Will be Done