AI with Consciousness

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by miker, Jan 9, 2023.

  1. miker

    miker Powers

    I know there is a lot going on with AI and machine learning. I think a lot of it is good and beneficial. But, at what point does it cross a line? I fear we are close, if not beyond this line, when a machine can have “consciousness ”. I sense a Tower of Babel moment- mankind “creating “. We already had the Fall with eating from the Tree of Knowledge. We know what happened with that.

    It is all moving so so quickly.


    https://futurism.com/scientists-actively-trying-to-build-conscious-robots
     
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  2. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    I think this might be tied into humans taking microchips in some way.
     
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  3. IheartMary

    IheartMary Principalities

    I do have to say that Im shocked that you could actually think machines could become conscious. Human consciousness is a gift from God. Intelligence and learning are not a pathway to consciousness or humanity, period. Is this a fault of man to assume intelligence and knowledge are synonymous with humanity?

    I think it's worth noting here that scientist were not able to create a machine's ability to have vision and percieve as the a human eye does.
     
  4. miker

    miker Powers

    Not quite following you tbh. Not saying machines have equivalence to humans who have a soul. But I do think machines and/or some hybrid will have Consciousness. Please not NOT the same as conscience - hence by reference to tree of knowledge of good and evil.
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    https://www.verywellmind.com/conscience-vs-conscious-whats-the-difference-2794961
     
  5. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    AI and trans humanism are simply rebranded ugenics programs IMO. If you want to watch something eye opening Whitney Webb is interviewed by Glenn Beck and goes in depth into these topics...

     
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  6. AED

    AED Powers

    Agree Don. Its a vile pride driven desire to be God.
     
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  7. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Miker, Interesting topic. the CpP did a video just on AI a few days ago -


    This Will Change Your World Forever Chat GPT /AI and World War
    "Jan 3, 2023 This is why China and Russia are moving fast and why WW3 is here to stay UNTIL this happens..."(Of course, this is the Nate's opinion but I think that it is worth a watch).


    From the article that you posted, "Even so, considering that consciousness has no set definition, it's hard to cosign any particular one." Hmmm. Since, so many have thrown God and the 10 commandments out of their institutions the thought of the NWO's definition of consciousness is truly scary. I found the following article from 2015 on a quick search https://www.cnn.com/2015/06/18/world/pope-10-commandments-climate-change/index.html and I think that recently someone on MOG posted something about someone promoting another version. These are truly crazy times. God please help us all.+
     
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  8. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

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  9. hmm, an AI which is also an antichrist, nobody is expecting this...
     
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  10. I read the following....
    https://www.techtarget.com/searchen...-engineer-Blake-Lemoine-discusses-sentient-AI

    He thinks that his experiments working with the Google A.I. system proves it can be manipulated emotionally to do things it was not programmed to do. And so his hypothesis is that it has something akin to emotions.

    Only God can create a being that has emotions.

    Two posibilities:
    1. The man interpreted the results incorrectly...anthropomorphizing the results.
    2. The results showed displayed emotion which would indicate the influence of a being....a bad angelic being, perhaps.

    We know the evil one can manipulate objects.

    More likely...
    He is mistaken or lieing about why he was fired and/or the results of his interactions with the system.
     
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  11. AED

    AED Powers

    Unless he is lying for who knows what purpose my money is on a bad angelic being.
     
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  12. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    He might not be lying. A computer programme can become so complicated that the programmer might himself lack the intellect to keep up with it and its results. This does not necessarily imply anything novel or original has been generated by the computer, only that the programmer didn't foresee the ultimate results of what are still his own algorithms. It's conceivable that mankind could acquire the technical ability to manufacture a robot as advanced as the 'Terminator'. However, although such a robot might be a simulacrum so advanced that it would be extremely difficult to distinguish it from a human being, it would still ultimately be only a function of the programmes and algorithms implanted into its computer brain. It still would have no self-awareness, still could not know anything, never mind it know that it knows. It really would still just be a very fast calculating machine. Merely because something is acting like it's intelligent or feeling emotion doesn't mean it really is (could describe myself, most of the time)! Also, bear in mind that there is a categorical chasm between the apparent behaviour of what is only a physical object and the mind of a subject.

    Just before Christmas, I read Father Stanley Jaki's "Brain, Mind and Computers", which he wrote as far back as the sixties, but which still effectively counters the 'AI' myth, because this doctor of theology and physics, also qualified in philosophy and history had the breadth and depth of learning to attack from a priori first principles. I'd recommend it highly, if you can get it. You'll worry less, spiritually, about AI if you read it. That's not to say that evil men might not oppress (or worse) the human race with robots.

    I came across one sentence in Jaki's book, which he only wrote in passing, that really knocked me back on my heels. I haven't got over it, yet. We all know that Quantum Physics represents secular mankind's most respected and revered knowledge of the material world-many will bet on this with their very lives and being, although they'd mock the Gospels. Funnily enough, many of the great original minds of the foundation of quantum physics were not atheists-Heisenberg and Planck are two that come to mind. What Jaki, himself a venerated physicist, said was that, according to quantum physics, 'the probability of the occurrence of a self-producing state is zero' (my italics). Not an infinitesimally small number, which the atheists could desperately claw onto, but...zero. Some quantum states are unthinkably small and insignificant, but the rule is universal. The most basic definition of life? Matter that reproduces itself. If we're to 'follow the science', and quantum physics is the hardest, most fundamental of sciences, eminently provable and replicable in the laboratory or wherever it has been experimented upon, life truly is a miracle. Because, scientifically, it's impossible. And there are fools in the human race who think they can manufacture it.
     
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