Thank you all for this. I tended to be against the Pedro Regis messages, this thread has sweetened me up a little. Of course if they were true it would be huge resource. I will try to reread them with a more open mind. I wonder in the Light of the Holy Father warning that we should be careful of messages that appear to be a , 'Mail box from God' , might not these fall under this banner? I mean they are so very,very regular and , wide ranging and 'newsy. '? This always caused me misgivings.
One thing about Discernment about such phenomena is that they tend to keep me humble as I from time to time get things so wrong. A bit of the salt of humilty does no wrong . a taste of salt in the bird's tail keeps us from flying too high as we say in Ireland. What about Pedro's personal life, does he live a good devout Catholic life? Does he appear to be a saint? Is he a suitable vessel for God?
I don't now. I found these to be extremely repetitive, which means to me that this type of repetition should not be necessary almost daily. Phrases like this have been repeated dozens of times: "You shall have long years of hard trials, but after all the tribulation will come a great time of peace for humanity."
Even the messages at Fatima are difficult to interpret. How does one connect the following with the statement "the dogma of faith will be preserved in Portugal..." Portugal: Catholic priests quitting church 'to marry' By News from Elsewhere... ...as found by BBC Monitoring In Portugal, more and more priests are quitting their vocation - often without applying for official dispensation - apparently because they want to marry. More than 400 men have recently left the priesthood to get married or simply to live as ordinary citizens, one former priest tells Portuguese TVI 24. Of particular concern is the rise in the number of priests who ignore the complex legal process of leaving the church and simply walk off the job, says Fernando Felix Pereira. He heads Fraternitas, a group advocating for the Church to let priests marry. "Young priests - and some not so young, too - are just leaving, and refusing to go through the procedure of applying for a dispensation," Pereira says, recalling that the process took him 18 months in 2000. Though he was unable to give exact figures, Pereira says six priests recently abandoned their vocation in one day in the diocese of Santarem. At present, the Catholic Church insists all priests should be unmarried men. But Pereira tells Publico newspaper a recent remark from Pope Francis that priestly celibacy is not an 'article of faith' has raised hopes among those who see no contradiction between their vocation and married life, and that much depends on the Family Synod that the Pope has called for October. "Each local church should find its own way," he says. "Each diocese should decide whether there can be married priests alongside the celibate. This is a sort of progressive process that will help people grow accustomed to the idea."
Whatever happens, do not retreat. The silence of the just strengthens the enemies of God. Be courageous defenders of the Truth. God is at your side. POWERFUL!!
Well even at the time of Our Lady's apparition, Portugal was under heavy masonic influence. They must have very poor priestly screening and formation in seminary for so many men to choose mortal sin in betraying not only their vows but Our Lord Jesus Christ. So many of the once s0-Catholic European countries have totally lost the faith. It is unbelievable almost. We desperately need not only faithful lay Catholics and religious but we need saints.
As with everything, a variety of sources of evidence need to be taken into account here. It's important to remember that we're not just dealing with a set of messages (as with, for example, LTTW) but primarily with alleged Marian apparitions in 1987. This means that PR is not reducible to the 'Our Lady's Mailbox' category with which Pope Francis took issue. It needs to be emphasized that the evaluative criteria for locutions and apparitions are logically different. Even the most rigorously orthodox locutions without external manifestations are extremely difficult to discern for the simple reason that it is perfectly possible for someone (even in the best of faith) to produce theologically correct messages out of their own imagination, especially if they have some acquaintance with the mystical tradition. I'm sure that several people on this forum would be capable of this. Much of the supposedly 'prophetic' material in current circulation falls into this category, and until a purported visionary/locutionist makes a clear theological mistake (as with 'Tenderheart' this week) or makes a specific prediction that is fulfilled in a way that obviously goes far beyond a 'lucky guess' it is hard to make a definitive evaluation. It is a completely different scenario when phenomena are at stake, as a convincing case can be made out that these are not 'private revelation', events of pure subjectivity, but public and therefore 'hard claims' open to verification by means of the full array of tools of rational inquiry. The Miracle of the Sun in Fatima was not a private occurrence; neither were the alleged solar phenomena (if indeed they happened) before huge crowds in the apparition site of Anguera connected with Pedro Regis. The same applies to the famous extended 'Message 458' which PR notated in the space of a couple of hours live before 8000 witnesses and which can be read on his apostolate's website. Given that it seems obvious that Pedro Regis could not have produced Message 458 merely out of his imagination (let alone the purported solar phenomena), the question arises of alternative explanations. Is this a case of deliberate fraud perpetrated over a period of 27 years? This is certainly not impossible, but it would be quite a feat, especially as the visionary is far from anonymous within his community (he has 14 siblings for starters!) and could easily have been denounced by now. Naturally, even if one concludes with the ecclesiastical authorities in Brazil that there may indeed be a genuine basis to what is going on in Anguera (an inquiry seems to have been going on for some years without reaching a conclusion), this does not necessarily validate every message appearing at www.pedroregis.com . There can be no guarantees against human error and the Enemy's efforts to scramble Heaven's signals...
The written statements of Pedro Regis's two spiritual directors, Msgr Hermenogildo Castorano and Gordon Eugene Baker, DSJ also need to be taken into account in attempting an evaluation of Pedro Regis/Angüera. Their words may not be conclusive in and of themselves, but as elements to be taken into consideration they are surely not insignificant: We have to acknowledge that people come here out of their devotion to Mary Most Blessed. But they also coume out of the need to find spiritual inspiration to satisfy their own devotion and which makes them change their lives. As Our Lord says in the Gospel, you shall know the plant by its fruit; the fruit are good, the devotion is great, extraordinary.Each day this devotion has been increasing here in Anguera, becoming known even by people overseas. Devotion to Mary is not a new devotion, but a solid devotion [dating] from the beginning of Christianity, when the early Christians learned to venerate the Blessed Virgin Mary as the Mother of the Saviour and honour her as a very special creature. We should not think that Our Lady is in Heaven, seated, without caring for their children. She is appearing here, in Asia, Africa, Europe, in various places where there are authentic Christians. She makes herself present even if no one sees her, with her inspiration, with her word, with her motherly blessing. Our Lady is our Mother and is constantly near her children and here in Angüera, She wished to make herself manifest in a very special way, because God allowed it thus. People are here, not out of curiosity or in search of some distraction, but because they have felt called and responded positively to this call of Mary Most Blessed, to come and testify to the love of God for humanity. Msgr Hermenogildo Castorano (corrected Google translation of Portuguese original at http://www.pedroregis.com/testemunhos_padres.php ) Our Lady is among us. I am a witness to this grace, because for more than thirteen years I have been visiting the site and I know well Pedro Regis, Catholic missionary and confidant of Our Lady of Peace of Anguera. Pedro Regis is a practicing Catholic, defender of the Holy Doctrine, who, since 1987 has had the grace to receive messages delivered by Our Lady, here in the state of Bahia, more precisely in the town of Anguera. I know him for two reasons: first, because I am Pedro Regis’s spiritual director and confessor for more than thirteen years; and secondly, for a number of years every Tuesday and currently every Saturday, I attend the pilgrims in Confession and take part in the moments before the apparition. I know that the apparition does not constitute a dogma of the faith, but I also know that you can not scorn something that by its fruits is from God. “Test everything: Retain what is good” (1 Thes., 5:21). I can confidently tell everyone it is my conviction in view of the facts, that after 26 years, we have found no contradiction to the theology of the teaching of the Holy Roman Catholic Apostolic Church, founded by Jesus Christ. I have witnessed one of the miracles, for I personally gave Extreme Unction to a woman who was given up by her physicians yet she was healed after praying to Our Lady and taking Holy Water from Her. As a sign of her gratitude, this woman has visited the site every weekend since she was healed seventeen years ago. This miracle and others related to me by pilgrims in the confessional have convinced me absolutely of the presence of Our Lady here in Anguera; add to this the good behavior, honesty and perseverance of Pedro Regis Alves, his thousands of trips through many states of Brazil to divulge the messages, leading the people to a better knowledge of the doctrine of our Catholic Church. This Sunday, September 29, anniversary of the beginning of the Apparitions of Our Lady here in Anguera, State of Bahia, Brazil, completes 26 years of a beautiful and moving story of faith. They have been years of grace for all those who by faith embraced the appeals of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Don’t be left out. Our Lady needs you. Whatever you can do, do it, and God will repay you. Father Gordon Eugene Baker, DSJ Founder and director of the Sociedade Missionaria dos Damiaos de San Jose http://www.apelosurgentes.com.br/english/noticia.php?id=323
Thank you PeterB for the well thought out and articulated overivew of Pedro Regis as it involves his alleged messages and mystical experices in his life. I for one, although somewhat redundant in theme, have felt in my own heart that they are authentic.
Thanks Peter. I would never have thought that the Holy Father was directing his attention to these messages in particular. Though it might be argued that his waring about mail boxes might well be applied to them in a general sense. Another source of concern for me personally is that these messages do not appear to be in the Catholic mystical tradition. In other words that are unique. A continuing series of exact prophecies over such a long period. This does not mean they are untrue but it does give pause for thought. As far as the accuracy of the prophecies go, well I can't help thinking there is a kind of shot gun effect here. So many hundreds prophecies sooner or later one of them would hit the bulls eye. It is however very positive clergymen should speak well of Pedro and of the good fruits from this site. I only hesitate over this phenomena I find I can be neither certain they are true or certain they are not true. If it wasn't so very far away I would resolve things by visiting. However like Mary I am happy to store these things in my heart and wait in prayer.
Peter, you are a good apologist for Pedro Regis and thank you for posting these two testimonies about him. However, I remain unconvinced! Quite rightly, you point to the rather remarkable message 458 he wrote down in a marathon apparition in 1991. But this very message raises, for me, one of my problems with the messages. How is it that Our Lady dictates this intellectual 'tour de force' back in 1991 yet now issues almost daily messages that are hardly of the literary quality of 458. But neither 458 or the more regular ones, whatever their literary qualities, speak to the heart for me. And what about those almost endless, incredibly vague, prophecies: "A frightening event will occur on the old mountain." "Something sad will happen in the city of São Paulo." "Something sorrowful will happen in the land of the queen"... etc etc Another problem I have comes from watching the video of Pedro Regis taking down the messages where he looks up to his vision and then looks down to his writing pad to write down the words, then back up to his vision. I just cannot handle that kind of 'in and out' apparition! A final point. On another thread we have been speaking about true prophecy and its associated persecution. If Pedro Regis is authentic then we should expect a degree of persection of him and his messages. Is there any evidence of such persecution? Yet, one of the testimonies Peter provides speaks of conversions. Conversions are one of the tests of true apparitions so I have to remain open to Pedro Regis actually being authentic.
I'm not necessarily trying to be an apologist for Pedro Regis - if someone for example produced some new evidence demonstrating that Angüera has been a carefully elaborated hoax from the start, or that his messages are the result of plagiarism (the reason why I am presently unable to affirm Catalina Rivas) then I wouldn't hesitate in joining the condemnation. What I do feel is required as a matter of principle in the context of the present forum, however, is for us to make a collective effort at 'best practice' when it comes to discernment, as this is unfortunately something which is sorely lacking on the internet in general. Part of this best practice lies, I think, in the need for us to be consistent in trying to bracket out our subjective judgments/assumptions as to what 'true' messages or visions should look like. I say this because I can think of some prominent cases in which ecclesiastical authorities have shut down visionaries against the hard evidence provided by documentation and scientific inquiry because 'Jesus ought be able to speak proper English', or 'obviously Jesus would never bless in the name of the Trinity being himself the Trinity's second person' or the famous 'Mary would never criticize a bishop'(!). Those kinds of logically flimsy arguments have historically proved pretty disastrous, as visionaries from Mélanie Calvat to (IMHO) Julia Kim, Gianna Sullivan and others have discovered to their cost. If I've learned anything from studying all this, it is that God is frequently surprising and confounds our expectations; ecstasies and locutions remain a mysterious business which we can't claim fully to understand. So I feel a certain need to 'play Gamaliel' here... The question of whether a true prophet should necessarily be persecuted is an interesting one. It's certainly true de facto, but assuming that this is God's active rather than permissive will is debatable (surely the point of messages being given in the first place is so that the Church should believe them!). If you look at the Eastern churches - which are less tainted by rationalism than the West - I can think of several instances (e.g. Zeitoun, Myrna Nazzour) where apparitions were declared authentic very swiftly. How things are in Brazil I can't judge, although it is true that, according to the time-honoured pattern Edson Glauber and his mother Maria do Carmo in Itapiranga were treated negatively by the Church for a number of years until the arrival of a new local bishop pronounced supernaturaliter with regard to Itapiranga. I don't know whether Pedro Regis was initially persecuted by the local authorities, but if not, that doesn't automatically reflect badly on him: it may just be that in this particular instance he encountered someone rather more open-minded than has all too often proved the case, tragically.
I think as Peter says a systematic approach to there phenomena is far better than, 'touchy feely' , 'Ive got a feeling about this,' kind of approach. But I can off hand think of two recent cases where professional theologians who ticked all the boxes failed. in their assessments and failed quite spectacularly. For instance Doctor Kelly Bowring who endorsed Mary Divine Mercy to the hilt and wrote about her exstensively and approvingly and Maria of course being condemned by the Church a short while ago. The second case was another false Irish mystic Christine Gallagher who was supported by a Maynooth Professor (at the time) Fr Gerard McGinnity a man of great learning and reputed holiness of life who backed her to the hilt, right to the end. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerard_McGinnity On the other hand I remember reading a story of St John of the Cross (a Doctor of the Church and perhaps the greatest authority on mystical phenomena who ever lived) . He and a colleague travelled a long distance across Spain ,having been tasked to investigate a nun who reportedly was experienced high mystcial experiences and visions. On arrival St John asked the nun one single question, turned on his heels and left declaring the sister to be false. His colleague was amazed at this rapid boot out the door, but Johns question threw light on the egotism of the sister (I wish to goodness I could remember the question but it was a howler). On a simliar vein St Padre Pio appears to have been in contact with mystics the length and breadth of Italy and though not by any means theologically well educated to hit the nail on the head every time and thorough out his long life. ..and as you yourself point out ,Peter our Eastern brothers and sisters are more inclined to say, 'If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a duck'. This is not to devalue the systematic approach, but as you say yourself God is full of surprises. I knew a priest for instance one time who was clearly involved in a miracle. Yet I knew the same guy was a child molestor. The miracle came about by I suspect the great Faith of the couple who came to him for his blessing and prayers. The priests himself was to all appearances a very kind, gentle ,venerable holy man who had written many books on the spiritual life. He was convicted and sent to prison. At the time he had quite a large following of people who considered him a saint. So , while the systematic approach is good I don't think it is all. One of the the extraordinary things I have noticed about the discernment of such matters is that sometimes it can turn into a kind of spiders web. That the person engaged in the discernment process can themselves be caught up and loose objectivity by buying into the very thing they are trying to be objective about. Rather like someone walking along a street who sees a little lost puppy and decides to take it home , ring the Dog Warden and have it taken away. But in a short while the puppy wins the heart and the puppy ends up staying as a guest the rest of its little life. So I think there has to be two handed approach to this, of the head, yes, but also of the heart.The place where the East (of the mystical heart) and of the West (of the scientific, systematic head) can meet. I remember one time a stage magician saying one time that he found the easiest people to fool where not the dull and uneducated but the scientists and professionals. They appraised him by applying a fixed set of criteria and when these showed his trick to be authentic magic were left floundering. Those who were none scientists viewed things with a common sensed 'Where's the trick' attitude and laughed. I remember one time in Medugorje being in restauraunt with a small group of pilgrims and in the company of a very learned priest. Myself and the learned priest were discussing certain phenomena and I was so engrossed in our conversation I did not notice that the learned Father was growing angrier and angrier with me that I was opposing his ideas with arguments of my own. (I hope I was not trying to win the debate or upset him , its just I love mysticism and enjoy talking about it if I had realised I was winding the poor priest up I would have stopped at once). But in the end the priest began in a very loud voice to put forward his very impressive educational qualifications and pointed out to the company how ridiculous it was that I, an uneducated lay person could dare to disagree with him on such high matters. Of course I this was a complete conversation stopper. I guess in summation what I am trying to say is that there are more ways than one to skin a rabbit and that God is indeed a God of surprises. Surprises in discernment as well as surprises in that which is being discerned.
I recognise and appreciate your consistent approach, Peter, and your resistance to quick and easy condemnation of those who issue messages. But I think we differ in approach in a rather fundamental way. You feel the need to avoid the subjective approach whereas I believe that to avoid being misled we need to learn to discern God's voice in messages we read. I don't think there is a quick or easy way to achieve that discernment. Ultimately, I think it has to be a grace from God earned through trial and error and a prayerful search for the Truth. A useful distinction to be aware of in trying to separate what comes from God and what comes from elsewhere is that God will always give us what we NEED, whereas the devil will always try to give us what we WANT. It might be argued, why would we want to read prophecies about tribulation and disasters etc? The truth is that newspapers and the media understand that humanity does feed off such news and the devil is adept at providing this kind of 'food' and of appealing to our irrepressible curiosity. And yes, false messages are always full of the things that the devil's target audience (which is generally the believer) believe in, like the need for prayer etc, but the ultimate aim is always to confuse and to distract.
If I recall, what St. John of the Cross did was come to the door and ask to see the 'saint' and the lady in question said it was she! Humility and charity are two big virtues to look for, not that things cannot happen through a person who is not terribly holy--like the priest mentioned--but I think there will still be 'something' about the person just not quite right. I know of another priest who seems to have many gifts but his care for souls is lacking and that is his first responsibility and there is negligence there. But if you think of the greatest of saints, they were often the ones to say they were great sinners such as a St. Francis of Assisi. Even saints called to be quite public were still personally humble. None of them rushed about publishing frequent messages. Most of them knew persecution and humiliations---think of St. Faustina who was considered rather nuts by her fellow sisters. Or St. Catherine Laboure where only her confessor knew who had seen the most blessed Virgin. And when Our Lady asks for something to be done or makes a prediction, it seems to me that it happens although it may take some decades for full fruition (Divine Mercy from St. Faustina for example). Really, the most important 'messages' are the ones the Holy Spirit gives to each soul and to 'hear' those gentle whispers the soul needs to be in a state of grace and spend time in prayer and adoration. It may be that a tsunami hits the coast tomorrow or it may be that the bus hits us today....what matters is our own personal relationship to God and the striving for holiness and virtue in our lives so as to please Him.
'A useful distinction to be aware of in trying to separate what comes from God and what comes from elsewhere is that God will always give us what we NEED, whereas the devil will always try to give us what we WANT.' I found this to be a very acute observation, David. I believe what many of us seek in prophesy (especially current prophesy) is bang down,left brain, hard data , rather like a celestial news channel with minute by minute accurate reporting. Data that is , bottom line amenable to scientific analysis. That conforms to our own Western mindsets. That the phenomena be replicable, predictable, observable and measurable. Rather like a dream we can place in a test tube. Pedro Regis goes some way (apparently) to fulfilling these aspirations. But in my estimation such mystical , 'data', does not originate in the mathematical left hand side of the brain but in the creative right hand side. So true mysticism has its own , 'accent' or handle. So if the data coming forth is buttoned down , hard core data stream I suspect it comes from the conscious left hand side of the brain rather than the unconcious ,creative right hand side. In other words I tend to suspect a human origin , a manufactured output. This is not to say the subject is lying , not at all, there may still be a measure of the unconcious at work, but there is a drive to deliver what we seek, a hard data stream. This is very attractive to we Westerners who seek a pseudo scientific , systematic source of knowledge which we can more easily come to terms with , or as you say it is what we ,'Desire' . In short the language of the mystic is much more the poem or work of art rather than precise dates, event reporting or mathematical formulae. http://www.livescience.com/32935-whats-the-difference-between-the-right-brain-and-left-brain.html So in a sense the mystical data stream must ,'Sing' rather than chatter , if you see what I mean. Pedro Regis in my opinion as the accent of a chatter. There is some symbolism which is indicative of unconcious ,creative input, but it is rather limited and if you'll pardon me saying so rather convenient when it occurs. Convenient in that it blurs the apparently hard data and just the right moments. The human mind is incredible and capable of great unconcious craft. We can often be our own first victims.
I was watching a little film yesterday about St Bernadette Soubirous . At one point the nuns dressed poor Bernadette in a white flowing dress , a blue sash and a white veil in imitation of Our Lady of Lourdes and sent her to the grotto where of course was mobbed and battered by a devout mob. Berndette herself of course would never have been subject to such an assinine notion, for not only did she possess peasant common sense and a deep natural community but she also owned an acute grace of discernment. She highlighted this throughout her short life when visited and questioned by prelates and priests of all degrees who pestered her with often the most objectionable questions and behaviour imaginable. But Bernadette always kept her feet on the ground. By this I mean she always kept her heart in God. God of course being reality itself. So we have a picture of this uneducated, uncultured peasant girl showing a much, much higher degree of wisdom and discernment than many of those who had spent their entire lives in Divine studies. For since reality is God the true path into that reality is pray..and Bernadette always took that Royal Road which the Mother of God taught her. View attachment 1997
Well-made points, Padraig and David. Of course I'm all in favour of trying to learn to discern God's voice in messages, but experience has taught me to be extremely cautious about trusting my own judgment, as I know that what I think is God's voice may well be my own subjective projection. The case of Msgr Esseff and 'Locutions to the World' is sobering, I think: here is a highly experienced spiritual director whose rationale for releasing what is fairly controversial material, some of it quite unparalleled in any other sources I've come across, was quite simply 'I have discerned these locutions'. No supplementary arguments as to how or on what grounds he reached his decision have ever emerged. A couple of years on his sense of discernment is looking somewhat questionable... To use your own fascinating brain paradigm, Padraig, my sense is that we need a holistic, 'both-and' approach to discernment that brings the right- and left-brains into harmony rather than pitting one against the other. You could say that the right-brained way is more 'Augustinian', the left more 'Thomist', and we're always going to lean instinctively towards one or the other as a matter of temperament/natural preference. Look at the way in which the Gospels of Luke and John complement each other: John's is mystical/relational, very right-brained, while Luke's (being the work of a physician, a man of science) presents itself from the outset as an 'ordered account', the result of left-brained rational investigation but no less valid than the Johannine approach for all that. You might say that the two Gospels reflect different aspects of God, 'one reality seen from different angles' (Olivier Messiaen): God is both the passionate lover of the Song of Songs and the source of the logic of all that exists, including the incredible fine-tuning of the fundamental constants, the mind-blowing complexity of the human mind's neuronal structure and the most arcane mathematics. It's my impression that something similar to the Luke-John contrast can be observed in modern locutions. Some are extremely concrete, even 'data-packed' (Ida Peerdeman/Amsterdam is a good example, or Ottavio Michelini, whose messages sometimes read, quite remarkably, like a treatise of systematic theology), while others are far more poetic/relational in focus (e.g. TLIG, Elizabeth Kindelmann...). The more I read, the more I find that I have to bracket out my presuppositions of how I think God speaks, as my impression is that His tone and language depend very much on what He is trying to convey and why. I suppose that what I'm trying to say is that we need both spiritual insight and reason, but with two opposite provisos. i) Personal spiritual insight cannot be allowed to degenerate into pure subjectivity, as that is how any number of cults/false religions have been created by people who thought they had discerned God's voice (e.g. Joseph Smith and the Mormons) and wouldn't listen to any counter-arguments. This is also the big problem faced by the Pentecostal community, in which many thousands of people are utterly convinced that they are hearing from God on a regular basis but say completely contradictory things. ii) Human reason is a wonderful tool but a terrible master: it is only useful for discernment on condition that the natural mind is brought under subjection to Christ and doesn't become autonomous.
Humilty, as Servant of God, Father John Hardon has said, is the essensial fruit of authentic locutions/apparitions. Obviously, I do not know Pedro Regis personally, but have read his messages for the past two years or more. The fruits of his messages have lead to many conversions, which is another benchark for authenticity. Keeping in mind that we do not need to follow or believe in any apparitions or locutions for salvation, they do however help prepare for something forthcoming. In the case of Pedro Regis, I am the least concerned where catastrophic events will take place, rather many of his messages are a constant reminder to hold fast to the truth no matter what happens. It is a warning to a country that it is about to be destroyed by chastisements and to prepare their souls for this through prayer, penance, confession, reception and adoration of the Euchairst and a turning away from sin. These things may not mean much to those of us that know of other messages saying the same thing, but for those in the country of Brazil who are not internet junkies, this may be all they have to prepare them. These messags seem to me allot like the Kibeho messages, which people did not heed and 12 years later they reaped the result of they passivness to our Lady's call to that same things that Pedro Regis is speaking of. All messages around the world will soon be made to light or not. At that point I will take what I have learned from Pedro Regis and enter into my own struggles. None of us will be without struggles and suffering to what is ahead, whether you follow Pedro's messages or not. Sometimes we get caught up in the sensationalism of messages instead of the heart of them, which must lead to prayer, humility, patience, love and in the end all messages are there to prepare us so that the knowledge of what is going to take place can be consoling knowing that in the end comes a Church purified, holy and intent of doing the will of God on earth as it is done in heaven.
