Help needed to explain the Good Thief!

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  1. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    There appears to be a contradiction in the Gospels about the 2 thieves crucified with Christ. Assuming that only 3 men were crucified that day it appears that both thieves/criminals initially taunted Christ as revealed by Matthew and Mark. But Luke only mentions that one of the criminals abused Christ and then he goes on to tell the story of the Good thief repenting on the cross. Luke is the only gospel writer that mentions the good thief.

    How are we to interpret this contradiction? Did the good thief initially taunt Jesus and then he saw something that converted him and he had a change of heart and then defended Christ from the cross?

    Matthew 27 v44
    Even the robbers who were crucified with him taunted him in the same way (plural)

    Mark 15 v32
    Even those who were crucified with him taunted him (plural)

    Luke 23 v39
    One of the criminals hanging there abused him (singular)

    Responses are most welcome!
     
  2. Prayslie

    Prayslie Archangels

    St. Catherine Emmerich's vision of the good thief in this video gives some insights about the good thief. So we can interpret faith & good works are essential for salvation according to our catholic faith james2:24.

     
  3. miker

    miker Powers

    Thank you for A very thoughtful topic for Sunday morning ! My 2 cents fwiw...

    I think it basically comes down to when the gospel account was written and who the audience was. Matthew and Mark were earlier accounts and i think mainly focused on Jewish people as an audience. Luke came later and focused on Gentiles. It’s not that M & M “missed” the repentant thief- it’s that they chose not to include it. Gospel writing wasn’t like modern journalism; it was the writer selecting parts to shape his theological "story" to the audience he was focused on. Lol- journalism today maybe is like this but huge difference us Gospel writer were inspired by Holy Spirit!

    So i think thats Luke’s inclusion doesn’t contradict the others—it completes the picture. It’s a reminder that even in the darkest hour, one soul turned toward the light.

    again , thanks for posting. A wonderful thought to ponder on A Sunday morning. The Love of Jesus Christ on the Cross ! Gives such meaning and hope to our own sufferings and crosses.
     
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  4. peregrin

    peregrin Principalities

    Luke 23 v39. Versus Mark 15 v32. Contradictory Please explain - Google

    KI 3+sources:

    The seeming contradiction between Luke 23:39 and Mark 15:32 arises because Mark 15:32 states that both thieves reviled Jesus, while Luke 23:39-43 describes one thief eventually repenting and asking Jesus to remember him.
    This is not a contradiction, but rather a difference in focus and detail. Mark's account is shorter and focuses on the initial mocking of Jesus by both thieves, while Luke's account includes the detail of one thief's subsequent repentance and salvation.
    (More details are provided)

    Tradition posits that Dismas, the good thief, helped the Holy family on their flight to Egypt, at least did some good works in the past
     
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  5. Yes according bl. Ann Marie emmerich, dismas was bathed as a child in Jesus' bathwater and healed of leprosy. It's not scripture of course but I do believe it to be true.
     
  6. Prayslie

    Prayslie Archangels

    Yeah you're correct because theologians found that Matthew was written somewhere in the 40 A.D's with some parts in original Hebrew or Aramaic & known as Quella(meaning source) which was then later used by Mark & Luke to get quotes & later add some more things which matthew missed in original scripts to translate it in Greek & Latin according to the audience at that time which dated back to between 60-75 A.D. if I am not mistaken.
     
  7. AED

    AED Powers

    Our Lady was the eyewitness who tradition tells us shared her recollections with Luke. I'm sure she was very focused on the little bit of comfort Dismas offered her son. Neither Mark nor Matthew were there. So...just my two cents.
     
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  8. Luan Ribeiro

    Luan Ribeiro Powers

    I believe he converted at the very last moment precisely so that God could emphasize that conversion is possible even at the final hour—like a dying man on his deathbed who may reject the Anointing of the Sick six times, yet accept it on the seventh attempt by the priest. It's a lesson in perseverance, much like the 32 years Saint Monica prayed for her son's conversion, still without having yet received the final grace.
     
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