Dr John Campbell's views on the shroud

Dr John Campbell, a purveyor of the truth during the covid & vaccination period for his thorough analysis of the data now gives his thoughts on the Shroud of Turin - wonderful -

 

Have you read of the veil that covered Our Lord's face? Also a wonderful sign. The great Catholic German journalist, Paul Badde has written much about the veil, also linking it very convincingly with the shroud through the Gospel accounts. The veil is just as much a miraculous survival as the shroud and its image also as defiant of explanation. The Shroud shows us Our Lord's face and body at the precise moment of Resurrection, but before He has opened His eyes; the Veil shows us His face, complete with swollen jaw and thorn wounds, just before He removes it and with His eyes now opened. Both are awesome.

 

Is the veil held in Maneppello. I've seen pictures. It's abseloutely haunting. I would love to see it in person

 

That's the one, couldn't think of the name.

 

It matches up exactly to the shroud
..also Padre Domenico who looked over it for years, was a friend of St Padre Pio, who bilocated to St Padre Pio's funeral while also showing a group around his Parish.
They have video and witnesses.
Wonderful man who is up for Sainthood.

 

It's incredible how indisputable and irrefutable reality can be so easily dismissed in our modern world at the same time as the most absurd insanities are being enforced.

 

Gilbert R. Lavoie MD in his book"The Shroud of Jesus" 2023
among many other research details/photos shares these insights:
-The shroud as an action photo - showing the passion and crucifixion via the blood stains and the resurrection/ascension in the supernatural image
-The image shows an upright Jesus: proven by the distribution of light/shadow and the position of feet and hair
-saw and believed” (John 20:8) because John saw the very image we still see today, but concealed this in his gospel to protect the image.
G Lavoie summarises in the epilogue

"God is at work, visually communicating to us through his Son’s shroud and his Son’s image — his Son’s hour of glory: the crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension of his Son moving upward toward his Father. Yes, what you see is what you get. Set before us, in a captured moment in time, is the occurrence of the final dynamic event of the whole story of salvation, our salvation. “

 

I've seen the face from the shroud in a large vision in the sky in broad daylight with a huge tear rolling down the face of Jesus from one of the eyes. I felt immense sorrow at the moment for a sin which I had committed. And a call for repentance.
This was in 2021, not sure of the date.
It was Covid times and the supernatural world awakened for me this year.
Even though I had faith before this I guess I was a bit of a doubting Thomas.

 

U are so right

 

The separate head covering isn’t the one in Manoppello. It’s the Sudarium of Oviedo in Spain. It’s fascinating. I had a book on it which showed how the blood stains can be seen to match the head wounds of Our Lord.

Incidentally, it is worth reading the report on new tests on the shroud. They emphasise the terrible sufferings of Jesus in a new way. For instance, revealing markers in the bloodstains which are congruent with those from people in extreme agony or who have been tortured. For me, this document, which is scientific rather than devotional, made the Sorrowful Mysteries come more alive.

 

Thank you for posting this. I look forward to watching it. He is a hero of mine and helped keep me sane during the Chinese flu.

 

I watched it. The miraculous nature of the Shroud is beyond reckoning!

Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, save us!

 

Gilbert R. Lavoie's book"The Shroud of Jesus" 2023

The supernatural image shows an upright man - his feet not touching the ground (sic!)

See this detail:

Fig 10.11 in the book

“And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself” (John 12:32). It was the word lifted that brought forth an image of what I saw on the shroud. The flow of his hair and the appearance of what look like shadows on the face and the hands show the man of the shroud to be upright. By the position of his feet, he is upright but not standing. Isn’t this the definition of a suspended man? Isn’t this suspended man also a lifted man?

 

It's all astonishing.

 

How Great Is Our God.

 

Watching this video was such a blessing. Catholics in general have always been open to real Science (which is a certain way of obtaining a certain kind of knowledge; a tool). To see it all come together to confirm the authenticity of the Shroud was a real delight. However it reminds me that people believe whatever it suits them to believe. It was the same for Lourdes. What is inconvenient or does not suit their bias gets denied or blacked out, whatever the arguments, scientific or otherwise. We noticed this so well during Covid, for instance.

But what moved me nearly to tears was the reactions of Dr John Campbell himself in describing the horrors of what poor Jesus went through. So very ,very touching.

I was curious about his Faith and discovered that he is a member of the, 'Hebron Evangelical Church', (which I think is Calvinist) and certainly appears to know his scripture. Its pleasing to see a Calvinist in particular supporting the authenticity of the major Catholic relic.



'In short, the desire for relics is never without superstition, and what is worse, it is usually the parent of idolatry. Every one admits that the reason why our Lord concealed the body of Moses, was that the people of Israel should not be guilty of 219 worshipping it.'

John Calvin: Treatise on Relics


https://www.hebronec.co.uk/messages/science-and-belief/



It's curious that the Shroud of Turin shows Jesus as being nailed to the Cross through the wrists, whereas Stigmatists like Padre Pio were pierced through the hands. How could this be so? Well I would guess it is that God acts through the imagination and traditonally Catholic imagery shows Jesus pierced through the hands. At the trial of St Joan of Arc she was asked if the voices she heard could not be her imagination? To which the young saint replied, 'Of course it was through my imagination God spoke to me; how else could he speak?'

 

my understanding is that the nail point started at the wrist and angled through the palm. Through just the palm would have torn the hand apart because of the body weight.

 

But, that being so, the entry point , the seen wound would be in the wrist, rather than the palm would it not?

https://threethirtyministries.com/secrets-of-roman-crucifixion-nails/

How long were crucifixion nails?

According the archaeological find outside of Jerusalem, the crucifixion nail that was used for the feet was roughly 7 inches long and with a diameter of about 3/8 of an inch. It is possible that either 7 or 5 inch nails were used for the hands.

Where were the nails driven?

The nails would be placed between the bones of the forearm (the radius and ulna). Studies have shown that nails were probably driven through the wrist bones, since nails in the palms of the hand could not support the weight of a body. If a person was nailed through the palms, they would have to be bound or tied to the cross, meaning that the use of nails would have been unnecessary. Furthermore, in ancient times, the wrist was considered to be part of the hand, so historical references of nails through the hands can just as easily, in the ancient mind, mean the wrist as well.

What damage did the nails cause?

The nails through the wrist would most likely severe the median nerve, which is largest nerve in the hand, and would cause a severe burning pain as well as permanent paralysis of the hand. Severing this nerve would also cause shocks of pain to radiate through the arms. The nails would not, however, fractures or break any bones.

In addition, within minutes of being lifted up on the cross, the wrists would have dislocated, then the elbows and then the shoulders. This is the reason that Psalms 22:14, in prophecy of the Jesus, says, “All my bones are out of joint.”

 

I believe there is a deliberate emphasis on the hands with stigmata because the blessed hands of Our Lord are a channel for the distribution of grace, much like the gift of the laying on of hands, which brought about healings in the early Church.

 

From a recent David Warren post (I paraphrase): "we think we know what we don't know and we think we don't know what we know (a reference to those moderns who find themselves unable to say what a woman is)".