"Pandora's Box" does have implication associated with it. I never looked up the background of the reference but Greek mythology certainly doesn't surprise me. In the past year, the question of the Nephilim had come up in conversations. For them to be a race stemming from mingling of fallen angels with humans, makes perfect sense they would viewed a super nefarious. Good to be aware of but not to focus on too much. I mean, where else would those angels fall to but earth to harass people & creste all sorts of havoc?
I have heard recently that the hologram universe theory has been connecting general relativity to quantum mechanics. In the future I am sure they will find out that the state of a person's consciousness has an effect in the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. But also that effect reaches out through the whole universe. Coming closer to what we encounter in scripture, slowly but surely.
Heisenberg asserts directly in "Physics and Philosophy" that consciousness plays a fundamental role in the movement of sub-atomic matter/energy from a state of probability to one of actuality. Regarding his Uncertainty Principle, we cannot know both the position and velocity of a sub-atomic particle; to confirm one is to exclude the possibility of knowing the other. It has been suggested by Fr. Stanley Jaki, himself a physicist of great stature, that this represented a deficiency in our instruments of measurement, but Heisenberg is emphatic that this uncertainty is intrinsic, built-in, to the nature of quantum 'reality' and not dependant on the mechanism of measurement. Heisenberg himself was also a Christian, so I think he was well aware of the ramifications of what his physics implied. Again, Wolfgang Smith has drawn out the implications of what he calls the 'Quantum Enigma' to more distant conclusions. He has proposed a theory of Vertical Causation (in contrast to the Horizontal Causation of Earth-bound consciousness), which is the role of God's consciousness on the being and activity of earthly existence. This is the role science should have been playing all along, but it was hijacked by those who have desired to prevent God from putting 'a foot in the door' of the description of reality. With respect to General Relativity, I think it is a far less inspired theory than the Special Theory that preceded it and it seems that it can never be reconciled with Quantum Theory. However, the latter seems to be much more supported by experimental evidence. The study of consciousness is having difficulty getting off the ground, because, firstly, many in the scientific establishment deny its existence and, secondly, it is immaterial, so outside the scope of traditional science.
I am not focused on the aspect of the Nephilim so much as the narrative from a biblical point of view. It just explains so many things for me, things like megalithic structures, the gods of old, the obsession of the elite with the gods of old. The seed of the woman vs the seed of the serpent. That's all, I am not going into the dark side of stuff.
The problem is now more complicated, since reconciliation is also needed between Moscow and Constantinople, they are in de facto schism.
An inevitable consequence of rejecting Peter. Fortunately, in Orthodoxy the dissipation has not extended nearly as far as that of Protestantism and ought to be less difficult to reverse, although the degree of difficulty may still be such as to require Divine intervention (and not for the first time).
Typically, the elites are wrong again. They fancy that the 'gods of old' were the original religion, with the monotheistic religions being a kind of intellectual evolution. Yet, the great German Catholic missionary priest and anthropologist, Wilhelm Schmidt, made a very strong case that virtually all of the most primitive existing tribes of his time in the late nineteenth/early twentieth centuries were monotheistic in their beliefs. An example would be the pygmies of Africa and many of the Aboriginal tribes of Australia. His case was very well researched and documented and I think it very convincing evidence that monotheism preceded polytheism in human history, which makes total sense. The further that man moved on from Eden, the more amnesia set in, with only the more primitive cultures, driven to the extremes of the Earth, clinging on to the Truth. Thus, legends like that of Pandora seem like retained images of Eden in societies that had otherwise forgotten their origins. Yet, many of these primitive pagans still largely possessed a dignity that is totally non-existent in those moderns who adopt a form of paganism, as C.S. Lewis astutely pointed out. It was likely something preserved from Eden and still more broadly retained in the obscure tribes of the Earth, who had to keep moving on from the more vicious predations of their amnesiac, pagan contemporaries.
Some do, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them are simply stupid. If one is gullible and lacking in Christian convictions, it would be unsurprising to choose a belief system that celebrated one's particular perversion.
Is it possible that Nimrod was indeed the first to stray from the monotheistic heritage of Adam's descendants, making all false polytheistic religions offshoots of his cult, just as Cain was the first murderer, and Ham, son of Noah, was likely the first to dishonor his parents? In my own studies of the Book of Revelation, I often have a certain conviction that Nimrod was the first king and the head of the Beast from which the other six kings proceed. The angel tells Saint John there are seven kings and an eighth yet to come. The text doesn’t directly refer to Empires, as many interpreters believe, or at least it speaks of them indirectly, as certain leaders personify an Empire, such as Nero Caesar. What stands out is that Cain and Judas have manifested in some exorcisms, with Cain personifying murder and Judas representing betrayal ? Could it be that, in the spiritual realm, certain biblical figures hold particular significance because they were the driving force behind specific sins that led to the condemnation of countless souls throughout human history? Note that Jezebel is mentioned in the Book of Revelation as a symbol of idolatry in the Church of Thyatira, and Simon the Sorcerer, who tried to buy spiritual gifts from the apostles, left his name in a heresy that greatly damaged the Church's image over time.
In the case of Anneliese Michel, the spirits that revealed their names were Cain, Judas Iscariot, Lucifer, Adolf Hitler, Nero, and Fleischmann. With the exception of Lucifer, all of them lived human lives, fell into disgrace, and descended into the abyss. Even so, would they have the power to manifest in exorcisms? Or could this simply be lies and confusion from the evil one during the exorcism ritual?
Two very astute posts, Luan. The names you mention are archetypal in human history (except Fleischmann, forgive me but I do not know of him) and belong to people who seemed enthusiastically wilful to do the evil that they did. Judas did seem to show some signs of regret, although it is debatable whether he was genuine, yet he threw Christ's mercy back in His face by hanging himself. It makes sense that Nimrod could have been the first to deny God's existence. All the primitive tribes who held to monotheism have a history of being driven to the ends of the Earth, such as the deepest African Bush, Australia, Tierra del Fuego and the deserts of Western North America. It is most likely that they faced continual persecution for their beliefs and still held to them. It must have been fascinating for anthropologists like Wilhelm Schmidt to discover 'savage' peoples who, instead of professing all kinds of mumbo-jumbo and witchcraft, were dedicated to One God. And to think that they held to these beliefs for huge swathes of time without Scripture or Institution. How Great and Good is God.
Who Was Priest Fleischmann? By Staff WriterLast Updated August 04, 2015 Spencer Platt/Getty Images News/Getty Images Priest Fleischmann was believed to be one of the six demons who possessed Anneliese Michel. The exorcism of these demons was the basis of the fictional movie, “The Exorcism of Emily Rose.” Valentin Fleischmann was a Frankish Catholic priest who lived in the 16th century. Fleischmann’s priesthood lasted from around 1572 to 1575. He had been defrocked and excommunicated from the Catholic church due to his drunken behavior. Fleischmann was accused of assault and murder. According to the priests who performed the exorcism of Anneliese Michele, a young German woman, Fleischmann was the sixth demon discovered to be inhabiting Anneliese’s body. Because Anneliese was a Catholic living in Germany, she may have learned about Valentin Fleischmann during her studies as the Franks were Germanic and Fleischmann lived in Ettlebin, Bavaria. This information may have influenced the supposed presence of Fleischmann in demonic form. During the exorcism, a total of six demons were reported to be in possession of Anneliese’s body. The other five, aside from Fleischmann, included Lucifer, Roman Emperor Nero, Adolf Hitler, Cain and Judas Escariot. There has been speculation that Valentin Fleischmann represented the corruption of the priesthood and of the Catholic church. Father Arnold Renz and Pastor Ernst Alt performed nearly 70 exorcisms on Anneliese prior to her death in 1976. Anneliese’s parents, Josef and Anna Michel, were charged with negligent homicide. Renz and Alt were also charged. Anneliese died of malnutrition and dehydration, weighing just 68 pounds when she died. https://www.reference.com/history-geography/priest-fleischmann-931c2035bc9cad4b
Wow that is some rabbit hole! But I think I know what you mean now. Thanks for the info on Wolfgang Smith and Lord have mercy on his gentle soul. I watched some of him a year or two ago (on your recommendation) and then forgot about him although he was very captivating and somewhat understandable too. I will try to get to grips with him again - platonic physics, vertical causation etc. Although on one level I am not sure it is spiritually productive. Possibly the opposite. On the question of the collapse of the wave-function triggered by observation - what happens in this weird rabbit hole world view if I am sitting alone at home not being observed by anyone? Is it hypothesised that the simple act of my consciousness continuously collapses the wave function of my body to a discrete entity in time and space? Is a non-conscious object which is not being observed by any other sentient being, only existing as a wave function? It does still seem to me as an inversion of the truth. Although as you say, at an atomic level for individual particles it seems to agree with experimental observations. Einstein as you know rejected this quantum probabilistic (wave function) interpretation initially - saying God does not play dice. He reluctantly accepted the probabilistic formulation in the end. It is interesting that Fr. Jaki thought it was a limitation of our mearuring (observing) devices which gave rise to the anomalous quantum behaviour. It fries one's head to try and grapple with it. One thing is certain, God is wonderful! A supreme mathematician too! On the topic of Dugin, I saw that Stew Peters interviewed him a while ago which surprised me. Which suggests that he is having some traction with right-wing Christians in the U.S.
