My heart goes out to front line workers who are under terrible peer pressure to take the vaccine. I have young relatives working in hospital who have taken the vaccine. I hope and pray that they have no ill effects.
John you must do what God shows YOU to do in your circumstances. If the JPII Institute comes up with an ethical vaccine that would be A great gift to us all. Fr Spitzer who is a learned and holy priest has said a Catholic may in good conscience take the vaccine. My sister intends to do it. I am worried both ethically and medically as the Pfizer vax is problematic. But I must weigh risk with benefit. I have people dependent on me. I am praying for discernment. Ivermectin seems to hold out hope as a preventative. I have ordered some. Several doctors believe it is more effective than the vaccine. But this is a hard hard thing. And truly it is between you and God--no one else. I have you on my prayer list for tonight's Rosary.
This is SO difficult as we are hearing good and holy people argue against it and some say it would be morally licit! I know a very good priest who intends to use a combination of moral theology, the policies of several good religious institutes, a papal encyclical of the early part of the last century and the recommendations of our Bishop’s Council to back up his determination for or against, for Pete’s sake! And all this doesn’t even touch the out and out experimental nature of this vaccine. So, I really do understand the angst this is causing. My prayers are with you all on this! PS—You can order Ivermectin without a prescription in the UK? (I’m in the States.) ~AN
John, you have it from the one with the authority to bind and loose that it's OK to take the vaccine. That should cover the conscience aspect because nobody in doubt is likely to be condemned for following the advice of the Vicar of Christ. The medical side is a matter of prudential judgement, weighing any risks against the benefits. Just be aware that if you and/or your wife take the vaccine, you can still be infected with the virus. If you do catch the virus after the vaccine, you will most likely have mild or no symptoms and could pass it on to others who, if not vaccinated, could be very ill. I know a frontline worker who has received the vaccine and has been instructed to continue wearing the mask, etc. I also know of someone who got the vaccine, later caught covid and infected a relative who became very ill. So, whatever you decide, be careful. I suspect that we will be hearing vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate for a long time to come unless the current crop of vaccines covers all mutations and until the people who financed it are satisfied with the return on their investment. I hope you're right about the JP11 institute developing an ethical vaccine. If so, I may line up to take it. God bless, be at peace, and take care of the little 'uns.
John, There is a John Paul II Medical Research Institute that is not connected with the Church. It was founded by Dr. Alan Moy, an Iowa pulmonologist, and is located in Coralville, IA. It is not the better-known Pontifical John Paul II Institute, which is located on the campus of the Catholic University of America in DC. That institute only gives degrees in theology and in areas dealing with marriage and family. No science. Given the amount of money the John Paul II Institute in Iowa is seeking its fundraising campaign for 2021 ($750,000), I doubt it can develop a vaccine in the near future that would be accepted by the US government. Iowa's John Paul II Research Institute on covid-19: https://www.jp2mri.org/coronavirus-research Its mission statement is here: https://www.jp2mri.org/our-mission .
If they come out with a successful vaccine, I will take it! I trust anything that comes from the JPII institute, and I would like to avoid whatever may be coming down the pike from the government towards those who won't vaccinate.
Just got this from my son in NYC. He received the vaccine this evening. Look at all the empty chairs, he was the only one there. Sigh.
I'm not judging anyone, I am merely stating a dream I had. I am just an old lady who is a nothing person. I came into this world with nothing and will leave that way. I asked my youngest son not to take it, he has three children. He said why would I take a vacc for a virus that has over a 99% recovery rate, and it hasn't been tested? He said, I watched a co worker react to a flu shot that almost killed him, took a year to get back to work and still has not fully recovered. He will not take it. Imagine how I feel reporting what God told me in the dream and how I would feel if someone died from covid and did not get the vacc? I'm am more afraid of not sharing my dream than I am of covid. Perhaps I have no fear of death. I just know this dream was as real as anything gets.
I think I’m safe to say that I know how you might be feeling right now, JoM. My mother’s heart goes out to yours. And my prayers.
I think I need to add a few more things to this reply. I am sorry if I sound like I am rambling, but I did not sleep all night last night because of the dream. I wrote everything down so I would not forget any of it because information kept flying at me all day as I remembered it. Like, if I had a question it was answered even before I knew the question. Regarding the vaccination God showed me that He designed and created our DNA. The vaccine alters our RNA that has something to do with our DNA. He showed me a picture of it, that was the only picture I saw in my dream. It is very complex and He created it. He does not want it disturbed, that was very clear. . . . .now I will expand on that. I am not a math, chemistry, biology kind of person. I am an artist. I can tell you anything about color theory, paint, techniques, composition and design etc. I cannot tell you anything about DNA or RNA. The people on this list seem like very intelligent, reasonable people who look for the truth. I would suggest you go online and research RNA, the vaccination, what it does to your body, how it works etc. I did that yesterday, I wanted to know what I was shown in the dream. There has not been a vaccination or medicine using this technique. It alters your RNA. I am sure a medical person on this forum or a nurse or someone with that kind of training would know much more about this than I do. I did read that this kind of experimentation was started in the mid 1990's. So, I am inviting you to research it and look it up, in the research I found it said it 'could be' a big breakthrough, or it 'could go all wrong'. I just know God said "He does not want it disturbed", those were the words. In the dream He told me much more than just the vaccination . . .He explained more of the soul. He said Jesus is our teacher we need to study him more. I typed in the last part of my dream on a thread that Padraig had started. I am truly over whelmed . . .still. I was not even going to take the vacc myself because I have an autoimmune disease. My husband was thinking about it, now he will not. God told me there are natural ingredients He has created for humanity that can be taken and those things have already been discussed. I want everyone to have Peace of Mind, I want everyone to know how much God loves you! He put His spark in your soul . . . .He said to me "Have you ever seen anyone who exudes goodness? They work hard to create goodness in their souls. We have to work at it and not be lazy." God Bless You! Kathy
The priest is someone I know and has not yet spoken out with his conclusions.. There are no other websites I know of personally other than the sources he is planning to use. So sorry. If anything changes, I will post.
Thank you Kathy for your honesty and your willingness to tell us. I believe God spoke to you. And I believe the disruption of our DNA and RNA is plain wrong. Scary. Not to mention the connection to abortion.. These are unprecedented times. I am dragging my feet even though we can now make appointments. I have a good friend and my own sister who are very devout and they plan on doing this. I told both of them my concerns. But everyone has to make their own choice. I understand their dilemmas. It makes me sick at heart. I am praying for all of us in this situation. I pray God makes it clear to all of us what each of us must do.
Yes. On line. I have to order a syringe too to extract it. The thread "Ivermectin the miracle drug" has all the information.
