Hi Norman...any chance you could re-post what you posted on this forum a few years ago describing events that were to take place which you described in full?
Hi Norman , It's good to hear from you again. I hope everything is going well for you and will pray for you to Our Lady at Mass this morning. I agree with pretty well everything you write. It brings me joy to see that we are both on the same wave length about what is going down as it shows we are both tuned into the same Spirit. Yes this is a great Pope, a saint, chosen and nourished by God from the beginning for the great task at hand. He reminds me of a coiled spring ready to launch himself at the mammoth task ahead. Not only very saintly but very,very strong. I noticed just about the first thing he did was to hot foot himself to see ex Pope Benedict ,I suspect to get filled in on the dark doings in the Vatican and elsewhere and expect massive and multitudinous ass kicking in the curia and throughout the clerical world. No bad thing. You are right a schism is in the offing. My sense is that it will come, 'At a time you least expect' ...and I guess its true they have some kind of anti Poep all lined up. Its also true that the world is just about to enter a time of great chaos. Already I sense the devil attacking the forum more and more actively and openly. Still I hope and believe Our Lady will permit us to continue online on the net through at least much of it. Please stay in touch, must pray at mass this morning for your special protection from St Michael. I have to say I love the way we are both singing from the same hymn sheet. The poor Pope I sense above his head the Crown of martyrdom already. I wish he would not rush into the crowds so much. He has , many, many enemies. Praying for you , Norman, praying for you.
Have I missed something? I don't think anyone on the forum is antiPope. I think everyone is hoping and believes he is going to be a great Pope. I thought it was only the ones that follow MDM that have had their minds turned on him.
I don't think either Norman or myself where suggest that Pope Francis was an anti Pope Jane, we were saying he is a great saint. What we were saying is that an anti Pope will be raised against him.That a great schism is in the offing.
I knew you or Norman weren't saying Pope Francis was an anti Pope. I must have misunderstood. It sounded like it was being suggested people on the forum were suggesting that about our Holy Father. I think he is going to be a great Pope!
Yes as Norman and I both said Francis is a great saint and will be a great Pope. There are other folks in the Vatican who are not so great though and are getting set to spring out in the open like wolves.
Does Pope Francis now pick new cardinals? and.. Pope Francis must know who is against the church inside the Vatican, can he do anything about removing them?
Regarding Vasulla Ryden Norman, No it doesn't brighten up my day at all. She was actually condemned by the church To say this about Father Petar can give one serious misgivings... Either this is a false statement in which case we need to check everything before making statements like this, or else he is being disobedient to Rome. Very concerning... Incidentally, I love Medjugorje.
I don't want any priests asses kicked either!!! We should just pray for them as Mother Mary asks and leave the judgement to God, that is His domain alone. God will decide what is to be done in His Church.
'I don't want any priests asses kicked either!!!' 'Either'. I have missed this ; to whom and what post does the 'Either' belong? I know it wasn't Jane, she worte nothing of the kind. So to whom?
Sorry only just replying Jane , my mission is to give back up to the priests ,especially also to those in the marianmovement of priests , i can confirm that fr gobie ,who received messages from our lady was a genuine messenger of god ,again a few Years ago ,I spoke at length on this forum ,about fr gobie , as I was given certain messages ,about the church , and the times we are now living in , and also concerning the false pope who is yet to come , a number of messages given to fr gobie have also been confirmed already ,and i can prove it , also people who have received genuine messages like vassula ryden ,i can confirm to you ,she is genuine , she is not false , I have received many visions and received messages , concerning vassula ,that she is genuine ,fr petar and many other roman catholic priests ,cardinals ,bishops , and past popes including pope john paul 11 and more recently cardinal ratzinger formerly pope Benedict xv1 , have all spoke highly about vassula ,and the work she is doing in her mission in regards gods plan , peope do not realise ,how god works ,they judge people outright and condem them , before praying for disernment ,in regards to knowing the truth , their are many false prophets in the world today ,this is true ,but don't judge all vissionaries as false , in the recent election i knew straight away ,that this wasnt the anti pope or false prophet , because this pope wasn't the one shown in visions to me ,to vassula ,and in messages to fr gobie , in regards to myself , yes I'm still receiving devine guideance from our lord and his blessed mother Mary , don't judge people ,wait and see the truth reveal itself how god wants it to be revealed ,pray to the holy spirit for guideance .
Norman, Can you give a guideline as to what is going to occur in the weeks to months ahead? Or what should I read?
Hi Peter, I wonder whether or not, in all the evidence that you have examined, there has been reference to a Decree of the Holy Office in 1898 explicitly condemning and banning the use of 'automatic writing'?( I understand that the ban was repeated in a further decree in 1917 generally relating to Spiritualism and that neither has ever been revoked). I know that VR is not a Catholic and therefore may not regard herself as subject to Vatican decrees but the thought that God might use a method of communicating to His Church by means explicitly banned by the same Church does seem a 'stretch' even without considering any further evidence.
Dear Steve, I know that the 'automatic writing' hypothesis is the essence of the case against Vassula Rydén levelled by Fr Dermine, but having examined his critique and the rebuttals, I have to say that I am not convinced by his position. Some of his questions about the manner in which the 'True Life in God' messages were received are certainly legitimate, and VR has done her best to counter them point by point in recent years. More solid documentary work would definitely be welcome regarding the process of the writing, partly as VR herself is not entirely able to describe it (although that's not surprising given that the phenomenon is so unusual, with few analogues). Fr Dermine's argumentation nonetheless strikes me as logically flawed in a number of ways: a) His interpretation is that the messages are indeed 'supernatural', but from the dark side ... This reading sits extremely oddly with the fact that the TLIG corpus contains multiple extended passages of pure doxology to the Trinity (some of which go on for many pages), calls to practise confession, invocation of St Michael etc. etc. None of that would seem to square with his case at all, as according to standard opinion this is the kind of speech of which the Devil is absolutely incapable. I know that Fr Dermine is an exorcist and that his area of specialization is New Age cults, but I can name you at least three exorcists who take the opposite view from him with regard to TLIG. b) The altered handwriting, while unusual, is evidently not 'automatic' in the sense of COMPLETELY overriding the subjectivity of the receiver of the locutions. The clearest proof of this is the presence of spelling and grammatical mistakes in the messages - which would not be the case if either God OR Satan simply overpowered the writer. We are dealing with a 'synergistic' process here, although analyzing that synergy is far from simple. For anyone who has read it in its entirety, 'True Life in God' is a world away from literature where occult practices have manifestly been employed to start the writing process (e.g. Aleister Crowley or Carl Jung's 'Red Book') via an attempt to induce an altered state. c) Fr Dermine also introduces a number of arguments against TLIG which are subjective and add nothing to the case. It is for example asserted that the thesis of high-level masonic infiltration in the Church is absurd (with which I very strongly disagree on historical grounds), that the messages are sentimental (which is a matter of taste), that Vassula's recognition of the Papacy is purely honorary and not juridical etc. All this seems less than coherent, as the deployment of such criticisms would appear to imply that TLIG is full of Vassula's own subjective opinions. Which is precisely what is being denied by Fr Dermine's 'automatic writing' hypothesis. So I don't understand the logic here. My own view on the basis of VR's various descriptions to René Laurentin, neurologist Philippe Loron and others is that the degree of participation of her subjectivity in the writing process varies from message to message. According to her, some are received by 'dictation', others by internal auditory perception (TLIG refers on numerous occasions to the tone of Christ's voice, for example) which is then reconstructed (imperfectly) by VR, others by a wordless illumination. These are all terms which are hermetic to outsiders to the extent that they don't map onto any 'normal' mode of perception, which is why investigating this kind of thing is tricky. The most credible hypothesis IMHO is that these differing modes of communication and circumstances are behind the varying level of errors in transmission that can be observed in TLIG. To sort this out properly, someone would need to spend some time with VR going through the manuscript message by message to see if a clear correlation between the circumstances and the error level can be identified. In some of the messages the English is littered with basic mistakes (the 'secretary' was having a off-day at the office, you might say!), although interestingly these never mask the underlying structure. It's like a C-grade orchestra performing a musical masterpiece: you can hear all the wrong notes, but you can still recognize the composer. On other occasions, particularly in the long hymns, the English is flawless, and shows a superior literary quality of which VR is definitely linguistically incapable. As for the 'hieratic' handwriting, the best explanation I can come up with is that God provides the energy (VR speaks of a kind of 'electric current', which is actually not an unfamiliar concept for many of us who have even a minor physical sensation of the Holy Spirit's presence), but that He respects the freedom of his 'secretary'. That sounds like a dynamic of the spiritual life more generally that we can recognize from our own faith journeys. According to Vassula Rydén's recent autobiography, there are indications that she (like others) already had a form of heightened spiritual perception as a child, which would also argue against a flirtation with the occult as being behind TLIG. My own view, on the basis of my acquaintance with the discussion between theology and neuroscience, is that there may actually be a neuro-physiological basis to the fact that some people 'perceive' the spiritual realm while most of us don't (read the incredible report on Ivan's meeting in Missouri on a parallel thread!). The clearest evidence for this is that there are many testimonies of people returning from a near-death experience who - at least for a time - are able to see angels in churches etc. (e.g. Rev. Howard Storm), directly feel others' feelings etc. It is as if the NDE has provoked some kind of lesion allowing for an unusually enhanced mode of perception of reality by unblocking our perceptual 'filters' (which recent research seems to connect with the 'mirror neurones' identified by VS Ramachandran at the U of San Diego). Curiously, this appears to fade with time, subsequently returning to 'normal'. Peter B.
Peter B, thank you for a very comprehensive response. Which certainly adds to my knowledge of the subject. I have read TLIG (some years ago) and was undecided but the matter was concluded in my mind by finding the Holy Office decrees. (Strangely, I did intend to make my point earlier but could not find the dates of the Vatican decrees which were in a book (that had nothing to do with VR) that I haven't seen for maybe 20 years. I found the book in an old box of books that I hadn't opened for many years, when looking for something else entirely. I'm not convinced that this was a coincidence. So I'm still 'in square one' and may just voluntarily remain there)
Fr petar statement regarding true life in god ,and vassula ryden ,is seen on you tube ,it was videod,whilst in Rome ,at a true life in god conference in Rome ,fr rene laurantan ,was also present and also believes fully in the mission of vassula , last year fr petar again sent his very best wishes to the true life in god conference ,when it took place at the house of prayer ,at Craig lodge in dalmally ,Scotland ,fr jozo ,formerly of medjugorje ,was invited to the true life ingod meeting ,when at patmos ,he couldn't make it to that meeting ,due to another engagement ,but fr jozo sent a letter to vassula ,and in regards to the wonderfull work ,that she is doing for the lord ,this letter was read out at the meeting ; and can be found on video on you tube ,please do not condem people before you know the truth ,contact fr jozo for yourself ,if you still don't believe ,
http://www.ewtn.com/library/curia/cdfrydn1.htm As much as I love Medjugorje and the priest there, if what you are saying is true in the light of this about Vassula Ryden, I would have to pull away. And that indeed would break my heart.
Thanks Peter. You have gone into this so deeply. I am impressed. I will do a rethink about Vasulla. Thank you too Norman.
