Since the 1960's, women have changed the way of life. They wanted to work. Great, now many feel they have to. Now we have everyone working, children in day care, some getting dropped off early and picked up late. Mum and Dad have worked all day, but both have to do the chores that didn't get done during the day, washing ironing, cleaning, cooking etc. During this time, the children are grizzling because they are seeking attention. Women now also take jobs that men physically can do better, because if the woman doesn't get the job she can cry "discrimination". Women now dress like men. Sometimes it is hard to tell if some people are male or female. Sitting at a shopping centre just watching the people around me, I was sad to see so many women with tattoos. In fact, the women now seem to wear more tattoos than the men. While I'd love to go back to how we traditionally once lived, the way I believe God intended it to be. I don't think it ever will. BUT.... Now these women are stamping these changes into our church. These feminist" nuns, are nothing but trouble. If they don't like the Catholic rules, LEAVE! Women in the shadows in Vatican 'old boys club' conclave I know I might sound rather 'old fashioned' or 'way behind the times', but I love reading St Paul's writtings in Corinthians. I believe in the Bible, maybe you might think I am reading into it wrong. But personally, I don't mind that my man is the boss. As long as he does what I ask.
It's unfortunate many women "have" to work today to make ends meet,..a lot of it has to do with government imposed taxes and the cost of living,..It really takes a great effort on the parents to nurture thier children,...another thing the government wants to do is take over the social education of children so parents have to be on gaurd over that,...it is very difficult times we live in...But I think things will go back to the way God intends after the purification and then during the Era of Peace
I feel a lot of women maybe more so these radical feminists want to treat men the way women were treated throughout the centuries. There is an extreme in society now with most things no middle ground or moderation in anything. Equality doesn't come into it anymore people want it all my way or the highway.and everything is so PC you dare not say anything about one group but that very same group can say what they like unchallenged
Also, our economy cannot handle giving EVERYONE great jobs. It used to be that people stayed together, and the husband provided for his family. Now we need to supply both the husband AND wife or ex-wife with great jobs and benefits, because everyone has separate households to provide for. Its crazy!
It is crazy a lot of people have a sense of entitlement even though they may not be deserving, it all serves to cause more divison I think Satan is at the back of it all
But you would mind if he seldom did as you asked, because well, he doesn't have to because he's' the boss? The problem is there are a lot of men out there that don't do what their wives ask them to do. For whatever reasons, some men consistently put their needs and wants ahead of their wives' needs -- that is if they consider their wives' needs at all. I think that is why a lot of women pushed for the right to work in the first place. It was more than wanting nice things or climbing the corporate ladder. They needed to know they could survive on their own, and provide for their children on their own, because experience had taught them that they couldn't count on men to look out for them. In abusive situations, other men didn't step up to the plate for women, they usually sided with the men! When a woman was widowed, women had no right to their husband's property. Male relatives or neighbors would force her and her children out in the street. Laws like this didn't reflect the Gospel. Men who passed these laws and carried them out certainly weren't thinking about their own wives. They certainly weren't loving them as they loved their own flesh. Women wanting the right to work outside of the home stemmed from the well-founded fear of being left destitute with no means of escape. Women wanting the option to work outside of the home isn't always a matter of greed, or pride in achievement, it's about basic survival. If men truly treated women "like their own flesh", society wouldn't be in the place it is today.
Yes. I agree this is the case now. Many need to work to make ends meet. We are in much more difficult times. I don't know if it was so much the case in the 50's or 60's. It seems to be the more we earn, the more we want and therefore we are no better off. In fact many are worse off because they are under so much more stress. When we first go married and the next year we had a baby. We rented the cheapest we could find so we could still save a little. We only bought essentials. Our baby didn't have clothes, didn't need them, he was quite happy being wrapped in a blanket. He didn't mind hand me down cot, pram etc. I didn't work, my husband earnt a small income. I can honestly say.... The happiest year of my life was around that time. Little money, little possessions. But we had started a family.
Yes. This can be true for so many too. There is the difference of doing something out of need or out of want. It comes down to respect. To respect each other.
Sorry, once again I started a thread which led us off the path of what I was trying to get at. I was just trying to point out how feminism started and trying to see if it was a good thing or not. Alot of changes are probably necessary. But often changes can get carried away. Do you think so? Feminism is now knocking at the door of our Church. There seem to be a group of nuns that want changes. Actually, not only nuns. Are they going too far? St Paul clearly tells us how we as women should be. But do I read his writtings wrong? I mean St Paul (if I remember rightly) doesn't believe the women has a place on the alter at all. Personally, I can't see anything wrong with a woman saying a reading. But I am reluctant in doing this just incase. It is an interesting thought for women who are wanting to please the Lord in every way. We want to do what Jesus wants of us, but we live in such confusing times that sometimes we really don't know anymore.
My husband and I joke and tell our kids that believe it or not, we used to both sleep in a twin bed together!!! My kids laugh and say, "You're lying again!" There was a time when all we had when we paid the bills was enough money to buy one twelve pack of beer! It had to last a month! NOW that was painful...lol
I give you a lot of credit for putting yourself out there! You never know where things are going to go. I stayed at home with my seven and would not have had it any other way. It is true some men don't step up to the plate, and the women and children suffer because of it. As for the nuns wanting changes,,...I think they have lost the focus of what it is to be a bride of Christ. Some don't even wear thier habits. They have lost the sense of God's will in place of thier own.
They are now doing the opposite with men. Look at all the magazines/media/gyms and how much pressure there is on men to wear moisturizers (not that there is anything wrong with moisturiser) man make up, gel and hair does.. more flamboyant than women's sometimes! They are being told that their bodies have to look a certain way, to not be afraid to cry, to show their emotions etc... Things are being very mixed up .. They are doing to men today what they did to women in the 50s and 60s up to the present day. Now that they have succeeded with women, they are turning to the men... Children will be next and that has indeed already begun... It is all very sad, worse still, we are allowing it to happen by our silence..
I think I read once that a Saint warned us that in the end men become more like women, and women become more like men. Someone might know who the Saint was who said this.
! This reminds me of my beautiful wife, Geralyn, when she commented on the verse from Ephesians 5: Wives, be submissive to your husbands... She said: "I am submissive. I submit the information to you, and you do it!" Safe in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary!
The homosexual's have a huge influnce in advertising. I think this has a huge influence on how men are starting to regard themselves. Increased homosexuality ..and its acceptance as, 'normal'...is a sure sign of the end of a civilisation. Look at Ancient Rome
I used to say to my husband, after a heated discussion, "I could be as wrong as you are or you could be as right as I am." I was right, too!!!
While I was really wanting to talk about what is happening in the Church with feminists. I know I didn't say that as much. Ooops. In society, it comes down to respect. If we allow the man to be the boss, as St Paul says, And the man respects the woman, as St Paul says. We could have a more balanced world. I love it when a man opens the door for me. I can't remember the last time a man stood for a woman on the bus. But is this the mans fault? I don't think it is. As the woman wanted everything equal. I love being a woman. But I can see how men don't know how to treat women anymore. I feel for my son who is in his early 20's.
One of my favourite movies is "My Big, Fat, Greek Wedding" Daughter. "mother, father is the head of the house, what he says goes." Mother. "Ah, he might be the head, but I am the neck, and I can turn the head any way I want." Every time I hear that my husband's eyes connect with mine, and don't I laugh. If you know the movie well. What about when the mother, daughter and Aunt plan how to get the father to come up with the idea that they want, just so the father thinks it was his idea. If you have never watched this movie, I encourage you to watch it. It is so funny.
