I sometimes wonder if it may be that really good people can be very innocent and so have the wool pulled over their eyes a lot. I have been a totally atrocious person and so am inclined to be very cynical in many ways and ask questions about who people are and what they are really up to. I suspect that is what the folks in the Vatican count on this innocence to hood wink the Faithful. They truly are wolves.
Correct. But by “we” I assume you mean the church at large. I think most here clearly understand the forces at work and the goal. We are in the final battle of the church vs the anti-church, as St John Paul II told us. There’s no waiting for shoes to drop. The shoes are being flung back and forth. We are in the battle yet #DiabolicalDisorientation and normalcy bias has most people thinking things are ok because bombs aren’t dropping on their homes and churches, like the poor souls in Syria, etc.
Coming from abused background, seeing the other side of them re their actions or their sexual activities. I don't trust the vatican/top tier (elites)at all cos they are abusing our goodwill. I stopped giving priest any due of deference just because they didn't protest to their bishops re abuses that have been going on for decades. Vatican think we are fools by giving them money (don't). So they took that advantage of ourselves and continued in that vein now. Best perhaps only way (maybe) is to question them again and again re true motives behind it. Can't trust any bishops/cardinal/ even PF too now cos of the way that they have been playing us around umpteen times for years and taking us for granted. Stop giving them any due of deference or any leeway that would enable them to do things with your tacit permission(deference). One other thing that draw my conclusion that church is evil (not you people but bishops/cardinals/popes) based on their actions/deeds/tacit approval of sexual activities going on inside the Vatican. In that way you are acknowledging their sins but cannot protest in proper way. How can we protest in a real way that would make them sit up and take notice & amend their behaviour?? Dont think they truly believe in JC based on their deeds/actions/approval of other sexual activities of bishop/priest/cardinals. Its their actions or deeds that define them not their mealy mouthed words.
It would seem that everyone today is just going rogue....for their own personal reasons. It would seem that this publisher wants people to think of "collaboration" in parts as being the same as taking "authorship" of the whole. So heck to what has been explained to them about how the final product came about or the intentions more fully explained by the former Pope. They won't change a thing but seem forced to defend what they are doing anyway. Statement from Ignatius Press on From the Depths of Our Hearts SAN FRANCISCO — In light of recent developments with respect to the Ignatius Press title “FROM THE DEPTHS OF OUR HEARTS,” Mark Brumley, President of Ignatius Press, issues the following statement: “Ignatius Press published the text as we received it from the French publisher Fayard. Fayard is the publisher with whom we have collaborated on three other Cardinal Sarah titles. The text we received indicates the two authors are Benedict XVI and Cardinal Sarah. That text also indicates that Benedict XVI co-authored an introduction and a conclusion with Cardinal Sarah, as well as his own chapter on the priesthood, wherein he describes how his exchanges with Cardinal Sarah gave him the strength to complete what would have gone unfinished. Given that, according to Benedict XVI’s correspondence and Cardinal Sarah’s statement, the two men collaborated on this book for several months, that none of the essays have appeared elsewhere, and that a joint work as defined by the Chicago Manual of Style is ‘a work prepared by two or more authors with the intention that their contribution be merged into inseparable or interdependent parts of a unitary whole,’ Ignatius Press considers this a coauthored publication. Cardinal Sarah indicates the content of the book remains unchanged. That content, as noted, includes a coauthored introduction, a chapter by Benedict XVI, and a conclusion coauthored by Benedict XVI and Cardinal Sarah.”
It’s GloriaTV, so take this with a grain of salt. But given the credible reports of his explosive temper tantrums, I would be surprised if it wasn’t accurate.
" the priest must be someone who watches. He must be vigilant in the threatening powers of evil. He must keep the world awake for God. He must be someone who stays up: straight to the time. Right in the truth. Right in commitment to the service of good. (...) the priest must be straight, brave and even willing to suffer contempt for the Lord. " " Pope Benedict XVI #DesProfondeursDeNosCoeurs " there is a ontological-sacramental connection between priesthood and single. Any in of this link would be a question of the magisterium of the council and the Pope Paul Vi, John Paul II and Benedict XVI. I humbly beg Pope Francis to protect us from such a possibility by putting his veto to any loss of the law of priestly single, even limited to either region. " " Cardinal Robert Sarah #DesProfondeursDeNosCoeurs
Well, at least this mess could be a more educational opening than has been carried out for the last many decades. People today don't have a clue about the Truths of the Church.
So will the order convince the publisher who has already said that the book and its cover will stay the same due to how they received it w/ all the background of just how it was written.
I don't know about you all but I am eagerly awaiting the final, final, final document on the Amazon Synod now.
Destroying the earth for a road?? Doesn't that go against the left philosophy?? Wonder who does the cartoons?!! Castel Gandolfo: Benedict’s Vineyard Was Uprooted https://gloria.tv/post/RzMNDA3r7Z2q1RoYMcXT7y9B2
djm, Thank you for posting this. I think that only parts of Archbishop Vigano's most recent letter have been posted on the forum and I don't believe that the video that you posted here was posted at all until you posted it. Here is the text that the priest is reading from in your video in case members would like to follow along with the sermon, it is contained in this lifesitenews article: Abp Viganò’s defense of Virgin Mary in response to Pope Francis (FULL TEXT) 'On the occasion of the liturgical memorial of the Virgin of Guadalupe, Pope Bergoglio once again gave vent to his evident Marian intolerance.' Fri Dec 20, 2019 - 10:44 am EST | https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/a...in-mary-in-response-to-pope-francis-full-text Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò | Our Lady of Guadalupe By Diane Montagna December 20, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò has issued a strong defense of the Virgin Mary in response to Pope Francis’ controversial homily on the feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe, in which he appeared to call the doctrine of Mary as co-Redemptrix “nonsense.” In a homily delivered in St. Peter’s Basilica on the liturgical feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe, the Pope said of Mary: “Faithful to her Master, who is her Son, the only Redeemer, she never wanted to take anything from her Son. She never presented herself as co-Redemptrix. No, disciple.” The Pope continued: “She never stole for herself anything from her Son … When they come to us with stories saying we have to declare this, or make this or that other dogma, let us not get lost in nonsense [tonteras].” For years, popes have been petitioned to proclaim a ‘fifth Marian dogma,’ honoring Our Lady as co-Redemptrix and Mediatrix of all graces. While theologians and pastors have debated whether the dogmatic definition of Our Lady’s unique participation in Christ’s saving work is opportune, two popes have taught the doctrine (Pius XI and Pope John Paul) under the term co-Redemptrix and more still have taught the content while certainly no pope has dismissed it or claimed it derogates from Our Lord’s honor and dignity as sole mediator and redeemer. Josef Ratzinger writing in 2002 indicated that while he agreed with the content of the term, he feared the term itself was novel and open to misunderstanding: “a correct intention being expressed in the wrong way.” While St Pius X explained in 1904 “...since Mary carries it over all in holiness and union with Jesus Christ, and has been associated by Jesus Christ in the work of redemption, she merits for us de congruo, in the language of theologians, what Jesus Christ merits for us de condigno.” Saints including Maximilian Kolbe and Mother Teresa of Calcutta have also invoked the Blessed Virgin under the title “co-Redemptrix.” Here below we publish the official English text of Archbishop Viganò’s statement, titled “Mary Immaculate Virgin Mother — Acies Ordinata, Ora pro nobis,” which was first released in Italian on December 19 by Corrispondenza Romana. *** Thus says God, the Lord, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread forth the earth and what comes from it, who gives breath to the people upon it, and spirit to those who walk in it… “I am the Lord, that is my name; my glory I have given to no other, nor my praise to graven images… The Lord goes forth like a mighty man, Like a man of war he stirs up his fury; he cries out, he shouts aloud, he shows himself mighty against his foes. For a long time I have held my peace, I have kept still and restrained myself; now I will cry out like a woman in travail, I will gasp and pant. I will lay waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbage; I will turn the rivers into islands, And dry up the pools… They shall be turned back and utterly put to shame, who trust in graven images, who say to molten images, “You are our gods.” Who gave up Jacob to the spoiler, and Israel to the robbers? Was it not the Lord, against whom we have sinned, in whose ways they would not walk, and whose law they would not obey? So he poured upon him the heat of his anger and the might of battle; it set him on fire round about, but he did not understand; it burned him, but he did not take it to heart. (Isaiah 42:5-24) MARY IMMACULATE VIRGIN MOTHER ACIES ORDINATA, ORA PRO NOBIS “Is there in the heart of the Virgin Mary anything other than the Name of Our Lord Jesus Christ? We too want to have only one name in our hearts: that of Jesus, like the Most Blessed Virgin.” The tragic story of this failed pontificate advances with a pressing succession of twists and turns. Not a day passes: from the most exalted throne the Supreme Pontiff proceeds to dismantle the See of Peter, using and abusing its supreme authority, not to confess but to deny; not to confirm but to mislead; not to unite but to divide; not to build but to demolish. Material heresies, formal heresies, idolatry, superficiality of every kind: the Supreme Pontiff Bergoglio never ceases stubbornly to humiliate the highest authority of the Church, “demythologizing” the papacy — as perhaps his illustrious comrade Karl Rahner would say. His action seeks to violate the Sacred Deposit of Faith and to disfigure the Catholic Face of the Bride of Christ by word and action, through duplicity and lies, through those theatrical gestures of his that flaunt spontaneity but are meticulously conceived and planned, and through which he exalts himself in a continuous narcissistic self-celebration, while the figure of the Roman Pontiff is humiliated and the Sweet Christ on earth is obscured. His action makes use of magisterial improvisation, of that off the cuff and fluid magisterium that is as insidious as quicksand, not only flying at high altitude at the mercy of journalists from all over the world, in those ethereal spaces that can highlight a pathological delirium of illusory omnipotence, but also at the most solemn religious ceremony that ought to incite holy trembling and reverent respect. On the occasion of the liturgical memorial of the Virgin of Guadalupe, Pope Bergoglio once again gave vent to his evident Marian intolerance, recalling that of the Serpent in the account of the Fall, in that Proto-Gospel which prophesizes the radical enmity placed by God between the Woman and the Serpent, and the declared hostility of the latter, who until the consummation of time will seek to undermine the Woman’s heel and to triumph over her and her posterity. The Pontiff’s intolerance is a manifest aggression against the prerogatives and sublime attributes that make the Immaculate Ever-Virgin Mother of God the feminine complement to the mystery of the Incarnate Word, intimately associated with Him in the Economy of Redemption. continued below...
continued from above... After having downgraded her to the “next door neighbor” or a runaway migrant, or a simple lay woman with the defects and crises of any woman marked by sin, or a disciple who obviously has nothing to teach us; after having trivialized and desacralized her, like those feminists who are gaining ground in Germany with their “Mary 2.0” movement which seeks to modernize Our Lady and make her a simulacrum in their image and likeness, Pope Bergoglio has further impugned the August Queen and Immaculate Mother of God, who “became mestiza with humanity... and made God mestizo.” With a couple of jokes, he struck at the heart of the Marian dogma and the Christological dogma connected to it. The Marian dogmas are the seal placed on the Catholic truths of our faith, defined at the Councils of Nicaea, Ephesus and Chalcedon; they are the unbreakable bulwark against Christological heresies and against the furious unleashing of the Gates of Hell. Those who “mestizo” and profane them show that they are on the side of the Enemy. To attack Mary is to venture against Christ himself; to attack the Mother is to rise up against her Son and to rebel against the very mystery of the Most Holy Trinity. The Immaculate Theotokos, “terrible as an army with banners” (Canticle 6:10) — acies ordinanata — will do battle to save the Church and destroy the Enemy’s unfettered army that has declared war on her, and with him all the demonic pachamamas will definitively return to hell. Pope Bergoglio no longer seems to contain his impatience with the Immaculate, nor can he conceal it under that seeming and ostentatious devotion which is always in the spotlight of the cameras, while deserts the solemn celebration of the Assumption and the recitation of the Rosary with the faithful, who filled the courtyard of St. Damascene and the upper loggia of St. Peter’s Basilica under St. John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI. Papa Bergoglio uses the pachamama to rout the Guadalupana. The enthronement of that Amazonian idol, even at the altar of the confession in St. Peter’s Basilica, was nothing less than a declaration of war on the Lady and Patroness of all the Americas, who with her apparition to Juan Diego destroyed the demonic idols and won the indigenous peoples for Christ and the adoration of the “Most True and Only God,” through her maternal mediation. And this is not a legend! A few weeks after the conclusion of the synodal event, which marked the investiture of pachamama in the heart of Catholicity, we learned that the conciliar disaster of the Novus Ordo Missae is undergoing further modernization, including the introduction of “Dew” in the Eucharistic Canon instead of the mention of the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Most Holy Trinity. This is a further step in the direction of regression towards the naturalization and immanentization of Catholic worship, towards a pantheistic and idolatrous Novissimus Ordo. The “Dew,” an entity present in the “theological place” of the Amazonian tropics — as we learned from the synodal fathers — becomes the new immanent principle of fertilization of the Earth, which “transubstantiates” it into a pantheistically connected Whole to which men are assimilated and subjugated, to the glory of Pachamama. And here we are plunged back into the darkness of a new globalist and eco-tribal paganism, with its demons and perversions. From this latest liturgical upheaval, divine Revelation decays from fullness to archaism; from the hypostatic identity of the Holy Spirit we slide towards the symbolic and metaphorical evanescence proper to dew which masonic gnosis has long made its own. But let us return for a moment to the idolatrous statues of rare ugliness, and to Pope Bergoglio’s declaration the day after their removal from the church in Traspontina and their drowning in the Tiber. Once again, the Pope’s words have the scent of a colossal lie: he made us believe that the statuettes were promptly exhumed from the filthy waters thanks to the intervention of the Carabinieri [Italian police]. One wonders why a crew from Vatican News coordinated by Tornielli, and Spadaro of Civiltà Cattolica, with reporters and cameramen from the court press, did not come to film the prowess of the divers and capture the rescue of the pachamamas. It is also unlikely that such a spectacular feat did not capture the attention of a few passers-by, equipped with a mobile phone to film and then launch the scoop on social media. We are tempted to pose the question to the person who made that statement. Certainly, this time too, he would answer us with his eloquent silence. For more than six years now we have been poisoned by a false magisterium, a sort of extreme synthesis of all the conciliar misconceptions and post-conciliar errors that have been relentlessly propagated, without most of us noticing. Yes, because the Second Vatican Council opened not only Pandora’s Box but also Overton’s Window, and so gradually that we did not realize the upheavals that had been carried out, the real nature of the reforms and their dramatic consequences, nor did we suspect who was really at the helm of that gigantic subversive operation, which the modernist Cardinal Suenens called “the 1789 of the Catholic Church.” Thus, over these last decades, the Mystical Body has been slowly drained of its lifeblood through unstoppable bleeding: the Sacred Deposit of Faith has gradually been squandered, dogmas denatured, worship secularized and gradually profaned, morality sabotaged, the priesthood vilified, the Eucharistic Sacrifice protestantized and transformed into a convivial Banquet... Now the Church is lifeless, covered with metastases and devastated. The people of God are groping, illiterate and robbed of their Faith, in the darkness of chaos and division. In these last decades, the enemies of God have progressively made scorched earth of two thousand years of Tradition. With unprecedented acceleration, thanks to the subversive drive of this pontificate, supported by the powerful Jesuit apparatus, a deadly coup de grace [death blow] is being delivered to the Church. With Pope Bergoglio — as with all modernists — it is impossible to seek clarity, since the distinctive mark of the modernist heresy is dissimulation. Masters of error and experts in the art of deception, “they strive to make what is ambiguous universally accepted, presenting it from its harmless side which will serve as a passport to introduce the toxic side that was initially kept hidden.” (Fr. Matteo Liberatore SJ). And so the lie, obstinately and obsessively repeated, ends up becoming “true” and accepted by the majority. Also typically modernist is the tactic of affirming what you want to destroy, using vague and imprecise terms, and promoting error without ever formulating it clearly. This is exactly what Pope Bergoglio does, with his dissolving amorphism of the Mysteries of the Faith, with his doctrinal approximation through which he “mestizos” and demolishes the most sacred dogmas, as he did with the Marian dogmas of the Ever-Virgin Mother of God. The result of this abuse is what we now have before our eyes: a Catholic Church that is no longer Catholic; a container emptied of its authentic content and filled with borrowed goods. The advent of the Antichrist is inevitable; it is part of the epilogue of the History of Salvation. But we know that it is the prerequisite for the universal triumph of Christ and his glorious Bride. Those of us who have not let ourselves be deceived by these enemies of the Church enfeoffed in the ecclesial Body, must unite and together face off against the Evil One, who is long defeated yet still able to harm and cause the eternal perdition of multitudes of souls, but whose head the Blessed Virgin, our Leader, will definitively crush. Now it is our turn. Without equivocation, without letting ourselves be driven out of this Church whose legitimate children we are and in which we have the sacred right to feel at home, without the hateful horde of Christ’s enemies making us feel marginalized, schismatic and excommunicated. Now it is our turn! The triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary — Coredemptrix and Mediatrix of all graces — passes through her “little ones,” who are certainly frail and sinners but are absolutely opposed to the members enlisted in the Enemy’s army. “Little ones” consecrated without any limit whatsoever to the Immaculate, in order to be her heel, the most humiliated and despised part, the most hated by hell, but which together with Her will crush the head of the infernal Monster. Saint Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort asked: “But when will this triumph take place? God knows.” Our task is to be vigilant and pray as St. Catherine of Siena ardently recommended: “Oimè! That I die and cannot die. Sleep no longer in negligence; use what you can in the present time. Comfort yourselves in Christ Jesus, sweet love. Drown yourselves in the Blood of Christ crucified, place yourselves on the cross with Christ crucified, hide yourselves in the wounds of Christ crucified, bathe yourselves in the blood of Christ crucified” (Letter 16). The Church is shrouded in the darkness of modernism, but the victory belongs to Our Lord and His Bride. We desire to continue to profess the perennial faith of the Church in the face of the roaring evil that besieges her. We desire to keep vigil with her and with Jesus, in this new Gethsemane of the end times; to pray and do penance in reparation for the many offenses caused to them. + Carlo Maria Viganò Titular Archbishop of Ulpiana Apostolic Nuncio Translated by Diane Montagna of LifeSiteNews
Thank you so much, Carol! I'm going to print this and keep it in my pocket and present it to those who challenge the notion that our current hierarchy in the Church is in grave error and to those who say that the Church is lost and no one is working to overcome these errors. Will it do any good? Maybe through the intercession of Our Blessed Mother some hearts will be pierced with hope.
New details emerge. I believe Socci provides a credible account of what happened. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/v...dict-retract-name-from-priestly-celibacy-book
