Mary, correct me if I’m wrong, but Ron Lee told me that the Archbishop told everyone at the conference that we may read ANY of the translations, but just that we cannot sell the books.
There is no doubt about that He is calling you and anyone who is open to this wonderful Gift from God! Thank you, Jesus!
Our priest in our parish, who is an exorcist, is a great believer on the writings of Luisa Piccareta. We are very fortunate to have him.
As Catholics we are aware that if a formal letter is written by a Bishop than as Catholics we are to follow these directives, until it is lifted by a future formal letter or written decree. For Catholics, no amount of second hand hearsay trumps a Bishops formal letter! even if it is spoken at a conference or dare I say, is videoed by the media on an aeroplane, in an off the cuff moment. So we await. For the typical edition. Yes we await the Typical edition as stressed by none other than the Archbishop of Tranni Italy himself, His Excellency Giovan Battista Picherri in his last Formal letter regarding the cause for Lusia Piccerata and the moratorium he has passed on the publication of her written works. Please look to the second page of the last Formal letter of 2012 and the heading above clause 6 and 7 Preparation of the Typical editions of the writings. 6. "As I have already expressed at the conclusion of the diocesan phase of the cause, it is my desire, after having heard the opinion of the Congregation for the causes of saints, to present a typical and critical edition of the writings in order to provide the faithful with a trustworthy text of the writings of Lusia Piccareta. So I repeat, the said writings are the exclusively property of the Archdiocese" (letter to Bishops of October 14, 2005). To accomplish this demanding work that requires a certain kind of competence, I shall avail myself to a team of experts chosen in agreement with the Postulation. 7. Nevertheless, I must mention the growing and unchecked flood of transcriptions , translations and publications both through print and the internet. At any rate, seeing the delicacy of the current phase of proceedings, any and every publication of the writings is absolutely forbidden at this time. Anyone who acts against this is disobedient and greatly harms the cause of the servant of God' Communication of May 30, 2008). All effort must be invested in avoiding all leaks of publications of any kind. Followers of the current editions of Lusia's Piccareta writings who denigrate, those that listen to the voice of the church, as naysayers, people unable to discern, unable to understand, have hardened hearts to mystical truths or absolute truths. Please read the third paragraph of His Excellency Archbishop of Tranni Italy Giovan Battista Picherri introduction on page 1. Maybe those you denigrate are truly living the Divine Will! by firstly their obedience to the Catholic Church authority and secondly their Love in Christ for those that denigrate them. Below is part of the third paragraph of His Excellency Archbishop of Tranni Italy Giovan Battista Picherri introduction on page 1. If we live in the light of the Divine Will we cannot but cultivate in ourselves the fruits of mutual charity. for....... "anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness" (Jn 2:9).
I admire the passion of practically everyone on this site with respect to the various holy-things [we] study. Sometimes i become so passionate about these things that i discard - or forget - that other people don't feel as i do.. Im trying to amend that. . Sometimes i even remember to ask myself, "what would Jesus do?"... Then again, quite often i plough on in there, arguing for Jesus - but forgetting that Jesus is in the other person. As i say, I'm trying to amend that. My passion (and emotions) often get the better of me.
Hi Frodo. Or, we can recognize that, as a Pope is a Superior Authority to a Bishop, the Authority of the Greater over-rules that of the Lesser. Thus, you have many Catholic Books explain that, the Pope is the Supreme Judge of Private Revelations; and what he approves is safe. And, when he says something must be approved, that is not only an order to the faithful, but it is also one to the Bishops. Thus, for e.g. with the revelations to Bl. Mary of Agreda's, the Mystical City of God, on the life of the Blessed Mother, this happened: "On Sept. 26, 1713, the bishop of Ceneda, Italy, objecting to the publication of the “City of God,” was peremptorily ordered by the Holy Office to withdraw his objections as interfering with the decree of pope Innocent XI for the universal Church." https://www.ecatholic2000.com/agreda/mystical/city.shtml So, Pope St. Pius X telling us the Hours of the Passion are the Words of Jesus means we can safely believe they are. And Pope Benedict XVI telling us, that "All the writings of Luisa must be approved" is also a fairly clear order, right? So we know the originals are approved by the Highest Authority in the Church. A fully accurate translation is awaited. Edit: Hi Lynne. I just sent you a PM in response to your question. God Bless, All.
I give everyone and anyone here on MOG license to pull-me-up, should i get over-zealous in making my points from here onwards.. Lol
A simple way imho all of us can begin practicing Divine Will Devotion is the Meditation on the Hours of the Passion. Jesus has given a quite amazing Promise about that. Jesus: "If they do them together with Me and with My own Will, I will also give them a soul for each word they will recite, because the greater or lesser effectiveness of these Hours of My Passion is in the greater or lesser union that they have with Me. By doing them with My Will, the creature hides within My Volition, and since it is My Volition that acts, I can produce all the goods I want, even through one word alone; and this, for each time you will do them."(!!!) So, we can do those two things in one, that the Saints recommend, desiring Union with the Divine Will, and Meditation on the Passion - and save souls at the same time! The greater our Love for Jesus, the deeper our attentiveness to His Sorrows, the more fervent our love for souls, the greater or less will be the effectiveness of these Hours. Jesus has also given us a greater insight into what "reparation" - which we know is our duty - means. By our union with His Will, because other creatures may not be living in His Will, we can perform acts (of love, of adoration, of consolation etc) in union with His, to compensate or repair for those who do not perform those acts. Thus, in a manner of speaking, it will be before God as if all those creatures for whom we wanted in Union with Christ to repair, were actually performing these acts. This is the deep meaning of reparation, in perfect accordance with Catholic Theology; and while we poor sinners were earlier dead in our sins, this is the way Jesus Our Redeemer, and Mary Our Co-Redemptrix, were repairing for us, through Love, Sorrows and their Sufferings. Now, we have the privilege to relieve those Sorrows. A Sample Prayer for the First Hour:"O Jesus, with your Mother, I kiss your left foot, and I beg You to forgive me and all creatures for the many times we have not walked toward God. [Glory be to the Father, etc.]. I kiss your right foot. Forgive me and everyone for the many times we have not sought the perfection that You desired for us. [Glory be to the Father, etc.] I kiss your left hand. Communicate your purity to us. [Glory be to the Father, etc.] I kiss your right hand. Bless all my heartbeats, thoughts, and affections so that all may be confirmed by your blessing, and all may be sanctified. And as you bless me, bless all creatures as well, and seal the salvation of their souls with your blessing. [Glory be to the Father, etc.] O Jesus, I embrace You together with your Mama, and kissing your Heart, I pray You to place my heart between your two Hearts, that it may be nourished continuously by your love, by your sorrows, by your very affections and desires, and by your own Life. Amen. [Glory be ...]"
definitely not. At first, the supreme authority in this case is the bishop. Benedict's comment was just a personal opinion with no canonical validity. There are rules for recognizing this kind of thing. for the pope to be the supreme authority, he must raise the case for himself, set up a specific commission, and produce an official papal decree telling him what he is doing. Popes' personal opinions may be erroneous as any of our opinions.
So I understand from your post here, you believe anyone who defends Luisa's writings, as clearly saints and popes have done, are not doing so in charity? Or did you feel using Jesus words to point out that his scoffers on his discourse on his true presence in John 6: 61-62, "these hard sayings, who could endure it" could also apply to what Jesus has revealed in our times through his messenger Luisa, is in your mind lack of charity? Because I see it as the opposite. Speaking his revealed truths, whether in scripture or through his prophets is God's desire for all. It has nothing to do with "hating" as you say, but it is loving that truth is revealed.
if we want to be children of the church right now we have to obey the official order of the bishop Posted above by josephite: “Any and every publication of the writings are absolutely forbidden at this time. Anyone who acts against this is disobedient and harms the cause of the servant of God. All effort must be invested in avoiding all “leaks” of publications of any kind.”
Based on this episcopal decree, it would be right to exclude all topics about the writings of Luisa Piccareta, since the bishop has stated that this kind of thing is disrupting the cause. if the forum were mine after reading this order, I would obey immediately. The bishop asked very wisely and said that this is not yet the right time to publish her writings, not even a fragment, because it is necessary to wait. St Faustina said the devil can imitate humility but not OBEDIENCE.
But the one who translated all of the writings, using the dialect of the area in that translation, has been approved by the Vatican's expert representatives in this field and they have stamped "The Gift of Living in the Divine Will In the Writings of Luisa Piccarreta" w/ all of the Church's necessary approvals to have it published and used by those interested in learning of this devotion. If you do not accept that permission granted by the Church within its own protocol then you are the one teaching wrongly about just what can be introduced to the public at this time. No one, including the Church, likes any mismatch of only portions of something new on the horizon to be used by those who are as yet not totally acquainted with all of the writings. So this compilation is approved and it is a blessing esp. for those who would use it in their own writings and teachings. Thus the Bishop in Italy who has given his authority to the founding of the new Catholic orders of the Benedictine Daughters of the Divine Will and the Monks of same bases his authority on what the Church then currently permits. And these orders use this approved "tome" on the subject to recommend to those they express the devotion to....as well as the writings of others who have used this expertise for their own writings....like Frank Rega whose writings then, based on the proper understanding in the Church approved interpretation by Fr I, can be used for an application of the truths within. I recommend those writings of his as central to the essential truths always held by the Church but expanded now by the Holy Spirit beyond the explicit mention of them previously. People are stopped at the point of thinking that this is something new while it is a gift of the Spirit for a fuller comprehension of the perfected mystical dimension that was always contained within scripture that was taught by Christ to be more fully expanded in the future by the Holy Spirit....why He had to leave to enable the Spirit to begin its own action. And, btw, St. Faustina, in her diary, shows her own living in the Divine Will as she records the fact that she, proclaimed by Jesus to her, was, in this new reality, a "LIVING HOST" which is the main goal for all, in the fulfillment of the Divine Will of the Father, from the time of creation and which continued after the fall of Adam.....as explained in the writings given by Him to Luisa to be given to all. So there are already those who lived in the Divine Will, or only partially there, who have been stamped via canonization by the Church. If this was to be considered a heresy then the Diary in its wholeness, with the inclusion of this truth.....given the serious attention by JPII to get it out to the Faithful as quickly as possible....would never have been approved and allowed to go forth. But then all of this is explained in the video offered earlier made at the time of the talk given in the Philippines by Fr. Iannuzzi to those already faithful to the teachings of the Church.
No, it was not a clear order. It's a third hand account of a private utterance which has exactly zero magisterial weight. If he really wanted to approve this devotion as-is then he would have through the appropriate means. The fact is he did not and the Holy See placed it on the index as being dangerous in its current translation where it remained until the Index was dissolved. And on top of that,currently the Bishop of Trani- who has authority over the writings at this time - has ordered that unauthorized translations not be published in print or online. Black and white. The arguments that you and others who are pushing this devotion are using are the same exact ones that followers of condemned messages use. Which maybe should not come as a surprise as it seems you have started threads on Holy Love (condemned by the bishop) and others taking part n this thread have posted positively about it...
Exactly right. A Catholic forum should not allow postings of Luisa - it's a direct violation of the bishop's order. And until he issues a further order permitting approved translations, postings of the existing translations should cease.
Typical edition is a form of text which is used for all subsequent translations into the vernacular. Just in case you were not sure what that meant. However long you weave your post, the fact remains: We were created by God with a free will, it is not evil. I find it rather odd that you keep insisting otherwise. If our will is evil how does one choose God? All the Saints have used their will and chose for God. As for me "hating my neighbors" because I disagree with your interpretations which are at odds with Catholic doctrine - hogwash. Heresy is a doctrinal belief held in opposition to recognized standards of an established system of thought. Catechism of the Catholic Church CHAPTER ONE THE DIGNITY OF THE HUMAN PERSON ARTICLE 3 MAN'S FREEDOM 1730 God created man a rational being, conferring on him the dignity of a person who can initiate and control his own actions. "God willed that man should be 'left in the hand of his own counsel,' so that he might of his own accord seek his Creator and freely attain his full and blessed perfection by cleaving to him."26 Man is rational and therefore like God; he is created with free will and is master over his acts.27 To maintain that our will - again which is created by God - is evil is therefore heretical. Our will allows us to choose good or evil. That some use it for evil does not make our will evil. By definition your position is heretical.
Mark Mallett's latest. He's been delving into the Divine Will: THE SEA OF DISQUIET https://www.markmallett.com/blog/2020/01/15/the-wiles-of-the-human-will/
