People so easily get caught up in minutia and miss the central truths being crushed. Such insidious manipulators know that and use such silly outward "fashions" to suck in the clueless. So sinful.
Honest question: I lost my temper very badly today and let’s just say “spoke uncharitably” at our Pope. I’m calmer now but regret saying the things I said (I’ll not repeat them), I was alone and nobody heard me. I’ll mention this in confession. My question is: after seeing the Pope wearing pagan rings, with feathers and planting pagan “Mother Earth” trees, is it at least slightly excusable to loose my temper?
Dear friends I’m so very angry at the garden ritual event. Praying for at least some clarity from the Pope over what it all means. When a cleric was asked directly at a Vatican presser today, about if the pregnant idol was Our Lady, I rejoiced at a potiential yes or no answer. What did we get in reply? To paraphrase: lSome see it as Our Lady, some as Mother Earth” I cried.
The Holy Father was asked a question lately about the confusion in the Church and he replied, 'I want confusion'.
Our Lord was angry with the moneychangers in the Temple and let fly at them. The moneychangers don't seem any worse than the pagans in the Vatican...not to mention a pope that appears to be complicit with them. I'd say you'd have more reason to rebuke yourself if you weren't angry.
Although to be honest I find the words and actions of Jesus quite confusing. Though it is a sweet kind of confusion since I trust Jesus. The confusion is always my fault; not His.
Most people, if they're at all genuine, want Truth. Instead, these people are trying their damnedest (and I use that phrase deliberately) to deny people of It and leave them bewildered and perplexed, not knowing where to turn. A statue can represent Our Lady or a pagan mother-goddess. Sure, what difference, it's all the same, really. All those martyrs that died for refusing to recognise the divinity of Roman Emperors? Bloody idiots. Those twenty Copts that died for Christ under the swords of ISIS in the Libyan desert? Bloody idiots. Well, I hope to God I'll have the courage to be a bloody idiot for Christ if it ever comes to it.
Me thinks God may have the last word my friends....and this gang obviously doesn’t see it coming Who is the master of confusion?hummmmmm
Torrentum the anger came from a righteous indignation toward perceived sacrilege so it is understandable. But the Pope is a special case--a bit of a "sticky wicket" as we say here. So I think --if it were me--you tell Our Lord you are sorry and share with Him your anger and outrage. Then take it to confession. And be at peace. My two cents worth. God bless.
I know. It is like being struck hard upon an existing wound. Deep pain. The horror of the insult to Our Lady Is awful. Unspeakable. I wish I could cry. I have a dry anger and a sort of dull "what did I expect when all was said and done" that leaves a kind of paralysis. I guess I have outrage fatigue. Who knows. Maybe that was the plan all along. I Must kick it into gear and pray!!! Come Lord Jesus!!
I guess saving souls is insulting to Mother Earth and the indigenous people. You wonder who picked the indigenous people who came to Vatican. Because I bet there are some very holy people in the Amazon too. But I’m sure they didn’t get a golden ticket. Fire and brimstone...makes people scared. Saving souls...insults other cultures. Preaching Jesus...there are other ways that are correct. "Then My anger will be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them and hide My face from them, and they will be consumed, and many evils and troubles will come upon them; so that they will say in that day, 'Is it not because our God is not among us that these evils have come upon us?'
Anger at the subversion of our faith is a good thing. It is called righteous anger. Anger that the person of the Pope (or anyone) is when anger becomes sinful. It is very difficult because sometimes our anger at the first spills over into an anger at the second. If I'm ever angry at a clergyman I try to imagine how truly sad their position is. They are deluded and do not even know it. Remember Sister Lucy said they would be hit with a wave of diabolical disorientation. That is what we are witnessing and it is becoming worse with each passing year. I think when anger arises like that in you, take a moment and think about this and pray a short prayer for the soul of the person you are angry at.
This is good advice, Praetorian. The anger I feel, however, is related to the the confusion being spewed forth that weakens the witness of the Church. The fact that there has been an upsurge in the number of conversions to the Pentecostals in the Amazon region, and that many of these are coming from the Catholic Church , doesn't seem to faze the leadership in our Church! One cardinal having key input in the prep for the Synod mentioned that not one individual had been baptized in a specific mission he was associated with in the last 53 years! I remember that Jesus expressed anger for almost the opposite scenario: Matthew 23:15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you traverse sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves. But then Jesus also sounded forth this rebuke, too: 13 But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither enter yourselves, nor allow those who would enter to go in. So yes, I am angry at such a useless endeavor of accompaniment, and yes I'm angry at, but still pray for those who boast of such spiritual blindness. O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to you!
Mario, I agree, this anger is righteous anger at the insanity they are perpetrating. We can only pray that they regain their faith.
Yes I like that phrase weaponised ambiguity. Its all smoke and mirrors. Disagreeing with them or trying to enter into discussion is vain. Because we have no idea at all what they mean or even if they actually know what they mean. It's like trying to hold water in our hands. A good example is Pope Francis at the opening of the Synod saying that we must exercise a, 'Daring prudence'. The two words are mutually contradictory and logically cancel each other out. A plus versus a minus equals null. I could imagine myself seated at a bar having a drink with Satan and the conversation heading the same awful way because Satan says one thing at one moment and without a pause saying something completely contradictory the next without taking a red face or looking the least bit embarrassed. He of course being the Father of Lies and perfectly fluent at lying. That,s the trouble with Pagan ceremony at the Vatican; it means whatever they want it to mean. If you were to ask a hundred people who were there what it would mean you would get a hundred different answers. How do you argue with that? Again in their heart of hearts most of them are thinking, 'i have no idea what this all means!' But out of fear of human respect and their posts no one would ever say so. This is why I never liked Alice in Wonderland or nonsense poetry. I could never see the point of it all. To me it all just seemed..well..nonsense. On the other hand our Catholic Faith has always..up to now ,,,seemed superbly logical...up to now. We're not in Kansas anymore Toto. We're off to see the Wizard, the Wonderful Wizard of Oz....
