The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Its unfortunate that so many who champion the cause of reducing global emissions see abortion as a necessary tool toward that end. I think it is pretty obvious that modernists in general support this cause even if they won't publicly admit it. Yet.
     
  2. AED

    AED Powers

    It all boils down to the culture of death. Abortion is their weapon along with euthanasia. Millions must die so the planet can live and on and on ad nauseum.
     
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  3. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Yes, and it has been planned for centuries.
     
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  4. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    It is a satanic agenda.
     
  5. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    'Global warming' is a lie (and wasn't it Goebbels who said that the bigger the lie, the better chance it had of being believed) and abortion is murder; and behind all this is he who was a murderer and a liar from the start. All these issues, along with sodomy, transexualism, paedophilia and so on, collectively form the culture of death. Environmentalism in its modern format is essentially a nihilistic movement, regarding mankind as merely a parasite that must be eradicated.

    [Posted response to Don's post immediately, then read the folowing ones, which all said the same as mine. Great minds think alike!]
     
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  6. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    I agree completely and it's not even a very convincing a lie either. But, it's much like the lead up to WWII. It was that same culture of death that lead to WWII which began in the US and in CA and NY specifically. When it was not accepted here nationally it spread to Europe where these ideas found fertile ground and we all know what happened next. This time though everyone has nukes and the lines of axis and allies are not so clearly drawn.
     
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  7. AED

    AED Powers

    I was watching Fr Spitzer this morning on EWTN talking about the culture of death which is really the culture of narcissism. He talks about its 3 ugly step children: no objective ethics, no objective truth and no God (secularism). When we reach the full blown rotten fruit of this toxic culture then everything can be justified because "I want it". Truly terrifying. Hell on earth. Yet here we are.
     
  8. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    :( It's worth reading the comments too.

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    Sep. 4, 2019
    Archbishop Paglia Responds to Concerns Over John Paul II Institute's Refounding
    The archbishop acknowledged the recent conflict that has engulfed the pontifical institute, following the approval of new statutes for the school in July, and reiterated the Pope’s stated aims for its reform.
    Catholic News Agency | http://www.ncregister.com/daily-new...concerns-over-john-paul-ii-institutes-refound

    WASHINGTON — Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia, the grand chancellor of the John Paul II Pontifical Theological Institute for Marriage and Family Sciences at the Vatican, responded Tuesday to the controversy over a plan to restructure the school’s faculty and curriculum.

    “We will be able to address and overcome the concerns and the hesitancies that have greeted the renewed structure of the Academy, and I might add of its sister entity, the John Paul II Institute [at The Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C.], as well,” Archbishop Paglia said Sept. 3 at Loyola Marymount University in California.

    Archbishop Paglia, who is also the president of the Pontifical Academy for Life, said that concern can be overcome through the “solid and loving theological basis” outlined for the academy in a January letter from Pope Francis, written to commemorate the academy’s anniversary.

    In the letter, Archbishop Paglia said, “the Pope recalls for us the great theological truth that must be our guiding principle — all of creation is brought into being by God’s love, a love that is so profound that itself it is a family, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and that it is a family so fruitful that it has produced on Earth a family that mirrors it.”

    Archbishop Paglia emphasized that the school must “participate in dialogue with everyone” while working to fulfill its mission.

    In his address, Archbishop Paglia spoke about the importance of a Catholic perspective in the study of bioethics, saying linguistic and cultural differences, as well as different theological and philosophical approaches, can condition the way subjects are studied and taught, even when they are foundational to the Catholic faith.

    The archbishop acknowledged the recent conflict that has engulfed the pontifical institute, following the approval of new statutes for the school in July, and reiterated the Pope’s stated aims for its reform.

    The new statutes were issued in response to a 2017 announcement by the Pope Francis that he would legally refound the institute to broaden its curriculum, from a focus on the theology of marriage and the family to an approach that will also include the study of the family from the perspective of the social sciences.

    After the new statutes, students, alumni, and faculty raised concerns about the role of faculty members in the institute’s new governing structure, about the reduction of theology courses and the elimination of some theology disciplines, and about the dismissal of some faculty members, especially Father José Noriega and Msgr. Livio Melina.

    Critics of the changes voiced their concern that the essential purpose of the institute was being diluted, and a group of 49 academics from universities around the world wrote to the administrators of the Institute asking for the reinstatement of the dismissed faculty.

    Yesterday, it was reported that the vice-president of the Institute proposed a compromise between university administrators and concerned faculty members.

    Noting an apparent “impasse” between faculty and administrators, Father Jose Granados suggested a “proposal for a constructive solution” in an Aug 27 letter to Archbishop Paglia and the school’s president, Msgr. Pierangelo Sequiri.

    Father Granados’ proposal is that a chair of fundamental moral theology, scheduled for elimination from the university’s faculty, be retained, and that a new chair be added to the university’s faculty to complement it.

    In his speech at Loyola Marymount, Archbishop Paglia reiterated Francis’ stated aims in refounding the school, saying that “the Pope wants the academy, and the institute, to widen its scope of reflection: not limiting itself to addressing specific situations of ethical, social or legal conflict; articulate an anthropology that sets the practical and theoretical premises for conduct consistent with the dignity of the human person; and make sure it has the tools to critically examine the theory and practice of science and technology as they interact with life, its meaning and its value.”

    Archbishop Paglia concluded by saying that “wisdom and boldness” were essential to both the academy and institute’s mission to “understand our heritage of faith with a rationality that is worthy of man.”

    “It is for this reason that the academy, and the institute, without in any way abandoning the tradition and accomplishments of their founders, will participate in dialogue with everyone,” Archbishop Paglia said, “so that the development and use of the extraordinary resources that the Pope speaks of is oriented toward promoting the dignity of the person and the human family in the light of the passionate divine love that brought it into being and will lead it safely home.”

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    Sep. 2, 2019
    Profiles of Pope Francis’ New Cardinals
    As with the Holy Father’s previous appointments, they have a broad geographical scope and are supportive of issues he has prioritized, such as immigration, the environment and dialogue with Islam.
    Edward Pentin | http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/profiles-of-pope-francis-new-cardinals
     
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  9. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    ...to "understand our heritage of faith with a rationality that is worthy of man".

    Is it not Catholic teaching that Reason is of God? Is it a question of whether rationality is worthy of man or whether man is worthy of Rationality?

    This all seems a glorification of Man, but are we not sinners seeking salvation, worthy of nothing but gifted the option of Everything by the grace of God?

    Methinks there is something wrong with the 'rationality' on display here. I worship God, not Man, myself. There seems to be so little humility on display here. Just a proud, self-assured arrogance. I never got that impression about St John Paul.
     
  10. Gad zooks! After change in the Church literally took centuries to be acted upon because it was always based on the solid foundation of the Magisterium this Pope's overhaul acts more like a hurricane of destruction while leaving out those "first responders" who might come to the rescue of the true victims left in its wake.

    Is this another case of another dictator aligned w/ the other dictators of the world who will lay the groundwork for THE "benevolent" dictator over all?

    BTW, as Pope Benedict had reasoned....how do you dialogue with the Muslim authorities whose very stance is to never really dialogue?
     
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  11. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    How do you trust the representatives of a religion whose doctrine is that it is desirable to lie to those who are not of their religion?
     
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  12. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

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    Pope Francis welcomes interfaith committee, controversial Abu Dhabi document

    Jeanne Smits, Paris correspondent | https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-welcomes-controversial-abu-dhabi-document

    August 26, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) -- Pope Francis has officially expressed his appreciation for the creation of a committee in charge of spreading the principles of tolerance and cooperation promoted by the Document on Human Fraternity for World Peace and Living Together, which he signed in Abu Dhabi last February with the Grand Imam of Al-Ahzar University in Cairo, Ahmad el-Tayeb.

    In a written statement from the Holy See Press Office, Pope Francis spoke of his pleasure after learning of the initiative that was made public last week by the Emirates News Agency and later confirmed by the Vatican. It was unclear at the time which authorities had actually founded the new committee, which includes a number of Muslim dignitaries but also the Pope’s second personal secretary, Monsignor Yoannis Lahzi Gaid, and the president of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, Bishop Miguel Ángel Ayuso Guixot.

    Bishop Ayuso Guixot gave a lengthy interview to Vatican Radio to promote the work of the new committee that was also published Monday by the Holy See Press Office, which is an indication of the importance attributed to the event.

    Pope Francis’ own words made clear that the committee was created by the United Arab Emirates, whom he thanked for “the concrete commitment shown on behalf of human fraternity,” expressing hope that similar initiatives may spring up in other parts of the world, according to Vatican News.

    “Although sadly evil, hatred, and division often make news, there is a hidden sea of goodness that is growing and leads us to hope in dialogue, reciprocal knowledge and the possibility of building – together with the followers of other religions and all men and women of good will – a world of fraternity and peace,” the Pope said in his statement.

    That means he’s clearly standing by the full text, principles and aims of the Abu Dhabi document, which has been widely criticized by faithful Catholics for claiming that a “diversity of religions” is “willed by God,” a statement incompatible with Catholic doctrine. It says, “The pluralism and the diversity of religions, colour, sex, race and language are willed by God in His wisdom, through which He created human beings.”

    Critics say this amounts to putting the Catholic faith and its worship of the God of revelation on a same plane with religions that do not worship the true God and deliberately reject Him. It also contradicts the teaching according to which there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church.

    In an interview with Vatican News, Bishop Ayuso Guixot addressed this criticism according to which, as interviewer Alessandro Gisotti from Vatican Radio put it, “It is believed that the declaration of Abu Dhabi seeking dialogue risks slipping into syncretism,” in diplomatic but inflexible terms:

    “While respecting the opinions of those who may think that the Abu Dhabi Declaration may slip into syncretism or relativism, even in good faith, I believe that fear is the number one enemy of inter-religious dialogue,” he said.

    “The Catholic Church recalls the value of its own identity, the courage of otherness and the sincerity of intentions. It is not a matter of making a ‘melting pot’ in which all religions are considered equal, but that all believers, those who seek God and all people of good will without religious affiliation, have equal dignity. We must therefore commit ourselves so that God, who created us, is not a reason for division, but for unity.

    “Let us open ourselves up to the adventure of becoming companions in the journey of every human being on our way to the truth. To live one’s own identity in the ‘courage of otherness’ is the threshold that today the Church of Pope Francis asks us to cross. Only in this way can fidelity to God, in Jesus, become a new story, the construction of a civilization of the covenant that embraces in peace and in the exchange of gifts the richness of differences.

    “The pluralism, and not only religious pluralism, of our societies is a reality that invites us to reflect on our identity without which there is no authentic interreligious dialogue.”

    This is confusing to say the least, and the “courage of otherness” has yet to be defined. Whatever Bishop Ayuso Guixot said about living “one’s own identity” is watered down by the unapologetic omission of the fact that Catholics believe they know the truth, thanks to Jesus Christ, who revealed Himself to mankind as “Truth, Way and Life,” the Son of God who is truly God and truly Man – an assertion that is fundamentally unacceptable to a Muslim believer remaining true to his own religious opinions. [Emphasis added.]

    It was besides Jesus Christ Himself who said He brought the sword, and not peace as this world understands it.

    In the interview, Ayuso Guixot called the creation of the Higher Committee “a significant act,” adding that its aim to “work for peace in the world in order to ensure that future generations can live in a climate of mutual respect and healthy coexistence” is a “truly noble goal.”

    “I am grateful to the Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi, His Highness Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan, who has worked to develop initiatives to put into practice the objectives of the Abu Dhabi document. As I am also grateful to Pope Francis and the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar because with their words and their testimony they made possible what the Crown Prince said in the presentation of this Higher Committee,” the President of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Document explained.

    Ayuso Guixot thanked Pope Francis for calling on people of good will to promote “fraternity, peace and coexistence.”

    “Let us not forget that these three elements are essential if we really want to heal the wounds of our world. They are the ABCs of our future,” he said. A strange statement, for the wounds of our world are those of original sin and revolt against the true God, and those wounds are healed only by the redemptive Sacrifice of Our Lord.

    This does not exclude human beings from striving for mutual understanding and absence of destructive violence toward their neighbor on a human plane, but history has shown the fragility of these endeavors when not founded in truth. [Emphasis added.]

    Ayuso Guixot went into further detail, which did not make things more clear. “Many have collaborated in the project of the declaration which, in my opinion, as Pope Francis would say, recalls the image of a polyhedron. I consider it in fact in its many aspects an inclusive document,” Ayuso Guixot said.

    The bishop believes that the Abu Dhabi document is a “global appeal to the ‘civilization of love,’ which is opposed to those who want a clash of civilizations!” he said. He added, “Prayer, dialogue, respect and solidarity are the only winning weapons against terrorism, fundamentalism and all kinds of war and violence. And they are weapons that are part of the spiritual arsenals of all religions.”

    Such statements spark from a deeply irenic analysis of Islam – to name only that religion – which in its fundamental texts and history promotes violence in order to impose beliefs, in particular toward Christians and Jews.

    “The declaration stems from the Islamic-Christian dialogue in the context of a global conference on human brotherhood. And it is in this global context that the message of the Declaration is poured out throughout the world as a ‘new’ window that opens in the context of the Spirit of Assisi,” he explained. ”Consequently, beyond the who, where and when, this universal message of brotherhood, peace and common living together is inclusive and shareable by all believers of all religions, together with all people of good will.”

    In another part of the interview, Bishop Ayuso Guixot encouraged grass-roots initiatives, particularly aimed at young people in schools and universities, to make known the Abu Dhabi declaration and implement its values of “fraternity.”

    Prompted by the interviewer, the bishop expressed his appreciation for the interfaith meeting among Christian and Muslim youth that took place last weekend in Taizé, the Protestant community in France that has deeply influenced many Catholic thinkers and leaders.

    Ayuso Guixot called it “a beautiful initiative that adds to the numerous initiatives already implemented and that continue to develop from below, and that show that the Abu Dhabi Declaration has been signed by both the Pope and the Great Imam, as a common commitment so that its many contents may be implemented. The Taizé event educates young people, but we must also think about educating educators and religious leaders, because as expressed at the last meeting in Rimini, the future will be religious.”

    At the interfaith meeting in Taizé, Christians – including Catholics – and Muslims were invited to discover each others’ traditions and prayers. Photos published by the local press show young Christian girls removing their shoes and covering their heads to follow Muslim girls praying in a special room set apart for them, and Christian youths joined Muslim men to listen to a local imam preach.:confused:
     
  13. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Ugh
     
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  14. Tanker

    Tanker Powers

    Ecumenism is just the ugliest word. Not the word itself but what the society has twisted the word to become.

    To experience or enjoy another person's faith, culture, language, family, home, etc. does not mean you have to give up your understanding to enjoy theirs. But that is what has seemed to happen in our societies over 50 years or more. And it is always AWAY from understanding and enjoying Christianity and towards something else.

    Tired of it!!!
     
  15. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Funny, it sounds a lot like what many state school districts are requiring kids to do during Islam week here in the US. What a bazaar coincidence.
     
  16. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    When you believe in nothing, you can believe anything.

    Good pun in your last sentence!
     
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  17. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

    Not sure if this was posted or not...

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/t...ned-new-head-of-vatican-life-academy-declares

    ‘The term ‘life’ must be redefined,’ new head of Vatican Life Academy declares
    abortion, catholic, ecumenism, pontifical academy for life, pope francis, vincenzo paglia

    LOS ANGELES, California, September 5, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) ― The president of the Pontifical Academy for Life has declared that the academy must broaden its scope and welcome non-Christian “experts.”

    Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia, 74, presented the speech at Loyola Marymount, a private Jesuit university in Los Angeles, yesterday. After introducing the pontiff’s January 6 letter Humana Communitas, the prelate explained that Francis wishes both the Academy for Life and the John Paul II Institute, of which Paglia is grand chancellor, to work “more broadly.”

    “The Academy in particular is to become more and more a place of competent and respectful meeting and dialogue among experts, including those from other religious traditions as well as proponents of world views the Academy needs to know better in order to widen its horizons,” he said.

    Paglia promised that both foundations would “protect and promote” human life and assured “friends” and “enemies” that “our dialogue with others who do not share our understanding of God’s fruitful love and of the nature of the human family and its challenges, does not mean that we are abandoning Catholic orthodoxy.”

    But Paglia also made it clear that the pope wants them to widen their horizons.

    “We must also make it clear that the Pope wants the Academy, and the Institute, to (1) widen its scope of reflection, not limiting itself to addressing ‘specific situations of ethical, social or legal conflict,’ (2) articulate an anthropology that sets the practical and theoretical premises for ‘conduct consistent with the dignity of the human person,’ and (3) make sure it has the tools to critically examine ‘the theory and practice of science and technology as they interact with life, its meaning and its value,’” he said.

    One widening Pope Francis and Paglia envision is a rejection of absolute norms regarding human life and a redefinition of what it means.


    “[Francis] warns us that it is risky to look at human life in a way that detaches it from experience and reduces it to biology or to an abstract universal, separated from relationships and history,” Paglia said.


    “Rather, the term ‘life’ must be redefined, moving from an abstract conception to a ‘personal’ dimension: life is people, men and women, both in the individuality of each person and in the unity of the human family.”


    Notably, Paglia referred only to the “family” of the Blessed Trinity and to the “human family” — i.e the human race — but not once to the kinship groups most commonly known as “families.” He also decried a “schism” between the individual and the human community and warned that technology is “becoming” a threat to human life.


    The archbishop briefly mentioned the controversies around the changes that have swept the pro-life institutions originally founded by John Paul II. In October 2016, Pope Francis promulgated new statutes for the academy, which included the dismissal of its life members and the inclusion of new members of dubious orthodoxy. Then, in September 2017, Pope Francis refounded and renamed the Pontifical Institute for Studies on Marriage and Family.

    Most recently, the students and faculty of the “John Paul II Pontifical Theological Institute for Marriage and Family Sciences” were dismayed to discover that the entire teaching staff had been temporarily suspended, two of its tenured professors dismissed, and advertised courses eliminated.

    Paglia’s response was that the “theological basis” of Humana Communitas will inevitably “overcome” concerns.

    “In his letter, the Holy Father attempted to give us such a solid and loving theological basis for the work of the Academy that we will be able to address and overcome the concerns and the hesitancies that have greeted the renewed structure of the Academy (and I might add of its sister entity, the John Paul II Institute as well),” the archbishop said.

    Paglia’s address closely resembles a speech he gave earlier this year at Sacred Heart Catholic University in Milan.
     
  18. AED

    AED Powers

    "Do you believe in coincidences,?" As Q would say.
     
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  19. AED

    AED Powers

    Something wicked this way comes....
     
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  20. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    They'll dialogue with these killers, but not with the likes of Cardinal Bourke.

    One only dialogues to seek compromise. Prepare for the sanctification of abortion. They'll equivocate about the onset of personhood and wrap it all in a cocoon of false compassion.

    They have redefined the family as a Marxist commune, who knows what they'll define 'life' as.

    Maybe I'm being alarmist, but frankly, at this point, I wouldn't put anything past these people.
     
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