The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. padraig

    padraig Powers

    A good time for the Counsel of St Teresa

     
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  2. AED

    AED Powers

    One of my favorites right up there with PP's " pray hope and don't worry!"
     
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  3. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I was at mass this morning in our local parish Church and picked up a free copy of the Irish National Catholic free newspaper , 'Alive'. I ticks all the right boxes, being pro life and heteorthodox and asks good questions about many things. But it suddenly came to me, why is not asking many questions about Pope Francis? Well the obvious answer came at once. If it is seen to ask questions, no more sales from Catholic Churches. It would be dead at once. So they censor themselves. The alternative is to die at once and very painfully. I can see their difficulty. They want to continue not to end suddenly so they think better to mute ourselves on these hard questions.

    I am not judging them on this; it is just so very,very,very sad.

    They do ask questions but very ,very carefully.


    http://www.alive.ie/

    They posted this from the priest who is, I think their Founder/Editor



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  4. Verne

    Verne Principalities

    Ok would you provide credible evidence Robert Spencer has ties to national groups and the EDL. Also have you ever read any of his books?
     
  5. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Here is a video from 6 months prior to Pope Francis becoming the Pope,



    What happened?

    I suppose the Pope is not consistent, maybe he never has been. He says one thing and doesn't back it up with his actions. Even in this new video he condemns abortion but then gives an award to an abortionist who laughs in return. It's very sad.

    Oops, I am referring to the full length episode 30min mark,

     
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  6. Don_D

    Don_D ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

  7. CrewDog

    CrewDog Archangels

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  8. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Imagine you were to meet the devil, or someone in the power of the devil and they had no direct power to hurt you. What would he do?

    How would he act?

    Well we already see this in the action of possessed persons. His main weapon would be to lie to you. To tie you up in a web of lies so that you would become confused and totally cut adrift from reality. he would be a shape shifter confusing you by seeming to be something else. Eventually you would drown in the lies no longer knowing what was real and what was false.

    I see this in the Vatican at the minute. Shape shfiting and webs and wens of lies and half truths. Listening to these people you no longer know whether or not you are coming or going. In a sense the devil uses our own goodness as a weapon against us. We want to believe there is some goodness in the enemy we face whereas there is no goodness at all. Just a desire to manipulate us and lead us to our doom.

    Which is why people at exorcisms are taught not to listen to the lies in the first place.

    I think this explains a lot of the confusion in the Church at the moment. It is just a web of lies; lie after lie after lie.
     
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  9. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I am sorry to sound so brutal and cynical about it, but I think we dealing with some truly evil dudes.

    Truly evil.
     
  10. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    CD, Great articles. I think so many people are asking, "What is going on with the Pope?".

    The American Thinker article follows almost directly from my post above and the author basically states the same thing that I stated, "actions speak louder than words."

    The Crisis Magazine article written by William Kilpatrick nails it! I'm growing to love this man's writings. He states, "It’s not a good idea to politicize the birth of Jesus, but that’s what Pope Francis seems to be doing in his Urbi et Orbi Christmas message." Wow, tell it like it is Mr. Kilpatrick!

    Once again, I am reminded of the following monstrosity which was approved by the Pope. If this was not a sign, I don't know what is,

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    This is how Mr. Kilpatrick finishes his article,

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    This Christmas, Pope Francis also employed a related analogy—one he has often used in the past. He drew a comparison between today’s refugees and the Holy Family fleeing to Egypt to escape King Herod.
    Francis never specifies who today’s Herods are, but it’s clear that his message is aimed at those Europeans and Americans who are tempted to close their hearts to the Holy Family which comes to us today, he says, in the guise of Muslim migrants.

    As with so many of the Pope’s Biblical references, this one can be used both ways. One can just as easily make the case that those who are opening the borders to Muslim migrants are, in effect, opening the gates to Herod’s army. By importing a culture that justifies rape, honor violence, and terrorism, ecclesiastical and government elites are aiding and abetting the Herods of today. And they should not be surprised if a slaughter of the innocents ensues.

    There is another analogy to consider. If Herod had succeeded in finding the Christ Child, Christianity would have been nipped in the bud. Although he failed, the attempt to exterminate Christianity is a perennial one. Today that attempt comes mainly from the Muslim world, and there can be little doubt that many Muslims hope to bring their war against Christianity to Europe. From that perspective, it is not the “welcomers” who are offering shelter to the Christ Child, but rather those courageous Europeans who are resisting today’s equivalent of Herod’s troops.

    There is a sense in which one is justified in seeing the face of Jesus in Muslim refugees. But there is another sense in which one can quite rightly see the face of jihad.
     
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  11. davidtlig

    davidtlig Guest

    Fr Ripperger's videos seem to well liked on the forum so I think the one copied below should be viewed and pondered:



     
  12. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I thought this (https://bonald.wordpress.com/) very apt:

    "It doesn’t upset me anymore
    Posted on January 17, 2018 by Bonald
    So, the Pope has presented an Order of St. Gregory award for meritorious service to the Church to an abortion zealot to honor her holy and humanitarian work in the promotion of baby murder. And make no mistake, whatever some lowly Vatican official says after the fact, that was the message everybody knew that everyone would take, so it is indeed the real message. So, all of those dissident priests and nuns who defied John Paul II promoting abortion, sodomy, and communism out of loyalty to a “future Church” of their imagination have been vindicated, right? The future Church has arrived, and it looks just like they said it would. And should we say that those of us who were loyal to the faith delivered to the Apostles have once again been shown up as fools?

    Well, not so fast. One could just as well ask why those dissidents didn’t already feel vindicated at the time. After all, most of Christendom–what were once the kingdoms of France and England, the Holy Roman Empire, and even the Papal States–were already theirs, already their playthings warped beyond recognition. Why did eventual validation from that little holdout with the Vatican and its minuscule band of supporters matter at all? And yet, when European civilization, all of which was once the Church, split into the 99% and the 1%, no one doubted that the title of Church, which once belonged to the whole, rightfully belonged to the 1%, and no one doubted that the 99% were the apostate.

    Then there is that little technicality that the Church’s official teaching is still that abortion is murder, and this will always be the official teaching no matter how long popularity-hungry progressive clergy decide to ignore it.

    Satan and his liberal minions keep conquering territory, one institution at a time and one soul at a time, only to see the authority of his conquests slip away (my italics). Have you noticed that conservative writers can get lots of positive press by endorsing gay marriage, but then the public loses interest in them? Who’s following Jody Bottum or Wendell Berry these days? Once an intellectual endorses gay marriage, everybody knows that the Left owns them. If they’ll sign on to that, they’ll never hold firm anywhere else. Even the Left finds them boring. Pope Francis is, as Rusty Reno has pointed out, extremely predictable and thus boring. One can always expect sentimentality in service of first-world prejudices. The first time the Vatican praised a sexual revolutionary or a eugenicist it was news, but now nobody cares. A Leftist Papacy is one that everyone, Left and Right, will ignore. Only the people and institutions resisting the sexual revolution are real, are independent, are alive. The rest are just pod people, and the other pod people know it.

    So it doesn’t bother me anymore. Pope Francis isn’t going to infallibly declare heresy or abolish or desecrate the sacraments. In my little thought experiment, even a pope who did do those things wouldn’t destroy the Church. There will be a remnant, and no matter how small it is, it will be the locus of attention–of hostility for the Enemy, of hope for us. For too long, I’ve been fretting as if the Pope has Jesus Christ held hostage in the Vatican and can shoot Him at a moment’s notice. But our Lord is quite a bit too slippery, if you catch my meaning, for that. Now the Left has the Vatican to play with, excepting the dogmas and sacraments of the Church which even the Pope knows he cannot touch, but they will find it as barren as all their other conquests."
     
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  13. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    It's a great paper, going on the copies I've picked up from time to time, pulls no punches on the abortion and sexual revolution issues, seems eminently orthodox and while not commenting directly on Pope Francis, the cover above displays an attitude to Luther that wouldn't be that of the 'Church of Nice', and it's nice to see it defending reason rather than telling us 2+2=5.
     
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  14. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    DeGaulle, I was thinking that we should be speaking of the martyrs of the Church more, maybe this should be our "campaign". We can still give attention to the "antics", if you get my drift but wouldn't it be great if one morning in Rome right outside the Vatican and in other places all around the world people awoke to big posters of the various martyrs of the Church posted all over the place!
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  15. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    He was on the campaign trail when he gave the interview in the first video. Don't forget that the push to make him Pope had been going on since before Pope John Paul died. There's no question that Pope Francis is a politician first and (arguably) a Catholic second. He did what politicians do. In campaigning mode, they say whatever is most likely to get them elected. After their election, they set about implementing their real agenda and campaign speeches are forgotten or spun as an ever more distant goal. Of course they claim to still mean what they said before the election if people will just have some patience and trust them.

    In the second video, we see the reality of the real agenda being implemented. With no term limits on the papacy, this is dream come true time for a political Pope.
     
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  16. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    As Bonald says, we will increasingly become the locus of hostility from the Enemy, particularly as our numbers become proportionately less compared to the progressives and as we become correspondingly weaker, in the worldly sense. Thus, some of us may be privileged yet with the opportunity of a martyrdom that will be different to those fed to the lions, but will be a kind of martyrdom, nonetheless.
     
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  17. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Oh, there's a term limit alright, we just don't know what it is. Significantly for Pope Francis, neither does he. It is debateable whether he will have a pleasant 'retirement'.
     
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  18. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    I should have said fixed (by men) term limit.
     
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  19. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    DeGaulle,

    It took me a couple of extra seconds to understand your meaning here.:whistle:

    I didn't mean to restrict my admiration to only the first martyrs but that was the best "poster" that I could find quickly. Any and every martyr's poster should be posted in as many places as possible. What a campaign that would be, a girl can dream right?:)
     
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  20. CrewDog

    CrewDog Archangels

    The Vatican "Goings-on" have not bothered me in a long time 'cause I realized that it does not affect me on my patch of Earth. Oh ... it's become an annoyance when my Bible Belt friends ask me things like: What's the Deal with that Pope of yours? My standard answer has become: The Christian Church USA, sadly, has it's Left Wing Democrats and we Catholics are no different!
    But ... Most Importantly!!! .... I know as all here should likewise!!! The Vatican is NOT the Church!! ... nor is your diocese cathedral or local church. The Church is Us and our personal devotion/belief in Jesus Christ and His Divine Message! PERIOD!!
    Matthew 18:20 - "For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."
    Now! Jesus established a Church as an aid for us on The Path and as any Human run institution it is far from perfect and, being The Church, is under constant satanic assault. In our 2000 year history, we have had Saints and satan's disciples in High & Diverse places of influence. Historians will be left with the task of describing what's -what in our current situation ...Soooo .... I'll hop on my Divine Mercy "Soapbox" once again. Some 85 years ago, in Church Accepted events, Our Lord asked St Faustina to record His Message and commission a painting that should be studied/venerated .... just a few years before the horror of WWII and ALL to follow including the HiJacking of Vatican II & aftermath.
    As some here might recall? That painting wasn't one of St Peter's Basilica nor did it say: "Trust Those Guys in the Vatican"
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    GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
     
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