That's all you've got - try to marginalized a solidly documented position by claiming it's inspired by or associated with a clearly condemned movement THAT WE OURSELVES have condemned and helped expose. Pathetic. A juvenile and very poorly disguised Alinsky tactic that should be below you.
View attachment 5907 No, they call him Joe because he is also so blinded by his papolatry that he's willing to turn his back on Scripture and 2000 years of Tradition to try to spin this heterodoxy coming from the Vatican into something that somehow aligns with orthodoxy.
No its not. Quit being dramatic. Tradition is not going anywhere. Francis consecrated his pontificate to our Lady of Fatima. The problem with this group is that they only read headline news and blogs. Opinions. .. If you would take our Lady's messages to heart, you would see that there is nothing to be afraid of. Anyone remember st. John Bosco? ?
No its not. Quit being dramatic. Tradition is not going anywhere. Francis consecrated his pontificate to our Lady of Fatima. The problem with this group is that they only read headline news and blogs. Opinions. .. If you would take our Lady's messages to heart, you would see that there is nothing to be afraid of. Anyone remember st. John Bosco? ?
[/QUOTE] BrianK, you and Mac have lost your credibility as Pius X followers. Don't chastise me as not knowing what I am speaking of when you are dismissing historic and saintly popes whom we revere. You can stand behind fancy robes pontificating that Francis is not wearing his red shoes all day, but your lack of what Christ was trying to show about humility and mercy is showing loud and clear. At least Francis is giving us that. What the media has hyped up in twisted quotes and headlines is all that is needed to get the traditionalist's underwear in a wad. You can think you know exactly what is going on, but you don't, because you and Mac have spent years badmouthing our Lady's messages. This is exactly what satan wants. You haven't any idea what the bigger picture is. You can't get out of your small box thinking! It will make a miserable year for you, remember my words. BE NOT AFRAID
You obviously DO NOT know what you are speaking of. I am NOT a follower of anyone except Jesus Christ. I attend the Novus Ordo Mass just about every day and my diocesan parish to which I belong offers ONE Traditional Latin Mass on Sundays at 11:00 am which I attend 3 or 4 times a month. The rest of their masses are Novus Ordo. You're trying everything you can to marginalize my position by trying to associate it with condemned false prophets or the SSPX. This is rich coming from someone who spent years at MOG promoting lttw! (Talk about zero credibility...) But that dog won't hunt. You're in way over your head but in your pride you can't or won't see it.
Fr. Christopher Piestaszko--quoting Pope Benedict XVI Motivation is important to discern, but it's one part. The act itself is also important to discern. I think the Church is well when it understands that splendour and poverty aren't in contradiction but compliment each other in reflecting the Incarnation. Each external practice can be corrupted. Poverty can become a self-hating trap, or a false piety. Acting with the facade of solidarity with the poor. The splendour can be used as a luxury- instead of a way of masking the hair shirt that lies underneath, reminding us of the glory of The resurrected Christ, and the silent suffering of the crucified Christ. When we idolize one over the other, we allow sin to define our truths, and cannot hold in a healthy tension two truths that don't contradict each other. Some will pervert both. But having a purification of the mind is being able to reconcile the Divinity of Christ with His humanity, and seeing no mixture or confusion between them. If His humanity is red and his divinity was white, the Church would be the first to say that Pink is out of the question. We do not compromise on either, we fully state both. Likewise a shift in emphasis is found here, but not a contradiction. It is only a contradiction if taken out of context. The Pope is both over and within the Church. So one symbol is not better than another. If we are to look at Francis' way of communicating his vocation I won't say it's better or worse. It is true. But sometimes when one is preferred it teaches us something about ourselves spiritually. If it's out of service for the Church, that is different, than if it's serving our own interests. For instance, the humanity and divinity of Jesus gives us a divine friend and a Lord. Some who are fearful of Him as a Lord would prefer Him to just be emphasized as a friend. Others who have seen Him domesticated, and cowardly, might prefer to see Him as Lord. But both teach us that there is a deeper integration needed. It was Judas who couldn't see him as Lord, but rather as "teacher." Likewise, the legalists who only saw God as a moralizer. Generally if I prefer one image to another, it teaches me that I need to purify my vision of the one thing I'm resisting. Pope Francis has said he isn't contradicting Benedict, Benedict has said he is not being contradicted by Francis. If they both agree on this, why can't we? Benedict explains: “If one isolates things, takes them out of context, one can construct opposites, but not if one looks at the whole. There may be a different emphasis, of course, but no opposition” - Pope Benedict on Francis' Papacy
Oh I see. I did wonder what that was all about. You know the name smudger? It was my pet cat's name when I grew up thats all . How ridiculous people are making so much of it.
Brian's use of the word 'papolatry' had me searching for its precise meaning but it resulted in me finding one of Mark Mallett's pieces with just that word as title! Here is just the beginning of the article from last year which, as always, is excellent: Papolatry? papalotry |pāpǝlätrē|: the belief or stance that everything the Pope says or does is without error. I’VE been getting bagfuls of letters, very concerned letters, since the Synod on the Family began in Rome last year. That stream of worry didn’t let up the past few weeks as the closing sessions began to wrap up. At the center of these letters were consistent fears regarding the words and actions, or lack thereof, of his Holiness Pope Francis. And so, I did what any ex-news reporter would do: go to the sources. And without fail, ninety-nine percent of the time, I found that the links people sent me with heinous charges against the Holy Father were due to: words of the Holy Father taken out of context; incomplete phrases extracted from homilies, interviews, etc. by the secular media; quotes that were not compared to earlier statements and teachings of the Pontiff; Christian fundamentalist sources that, relying on dubious prophecy, theology, and bias, immediately paint the Pope as a false prophet or heretic; Catholic sources that have bought into heretical prophecy; a lack of proper discernment and theology on prophecy and private revelation; [1] poor theology of the papacy and Christ’s Petrine promises. [2] And so, I have written time and again to explain and qualify the Pope’s words, to point out the errors in the mainstream media, the errors in theology, and even the false presumptions and paranoia in the Catholic media. I simply waited for the transcripts, homilies, published apostolic exhortations or encyclicals, read them cover to cover in their proper context, and responded. As I said, ninety-nine percent of the time, the interpretation of the reader was wrong for the reasons above. Still, I received this letter yesterday from a man purporting to be a faithful Catholic: Let me make this simple for you. Bergoglio was elected by demons. Yes, the Church will survive, thanks be to God, and not you. Bergoglio was elected by demons. They attempt to subvert the Church by attacking the Family, and promoting every sort of illicit, however popular, sexual relationship. Are you stupid? Stop it—you are going astray. In the name of Jesus, stop your obstinance. While most readers have been far more charitable, I have been accused more than once of papalotry, of being blind, of not listening to my conscience, of being… stupid. But, as I wrote this time last year, many of these people are acting on a Spirit of Suspicion. Therefore, it doesn’t matter what the Pope says: if he says nothing, he is therefore complicit with heresy; if he defends truth, then he is lying. It’s both sad and funny how these souls, in defense of orthodoxy, transgress the very heart of the Gospel—which is to love your enemy—by spewing the most astonishing venom toward the Pope. Still, with the closing remarks of the Synod for October, 2015, Pope Francis has once again demonstrated his orthodoxy. But I doubt it will make a difference with those who believe that the Pope is best friends with the Antichrist. http://www.markmallett.com/blog/papolatry/
Smudger appears to be some sort operative sent to this Forum in order to plant seeds of doubt and confusion regarding the Church's settled teaching on the issue of the divorced and remarried who refuse to live as brother and sister. Davidtlig also appears to be pushing the very same line of anti-Catholic rationalizations that Smudger has crafted. I used to encounter these types over at the "Forums Catholic" online forum - over there they are a protected class.
Now hang on Richard.You will tempt me with pride suggesting I have been smuggled onto the forum in 007 style. Sadly I am just an ordinary catholic who obeys he Church to the best of his ability. If only it was grand. But if that makes you feel better.....
Cardinal Burke is about to issue a formal correction of the Pontiff. The reason many Catholics are having a hard time coming to grasp with this is because they mistakenly believe that Papal Infallibility means the Pontiff can do or say whatever he pleases. This is false. Papal Infallibility PREVENTS the Holy Father from proclaiming error. Cardinal Burke and the other Cardinals have been moved by the Holy Spirit and are preventing the Holy Father from taking the ordinary route of Papal Infallibillity which occurs when the Bishops, united among themselves and with Peter’s successor, while teaching authentically on a matter of faith or morals, concur in a single viewpoint as the one which must be held conclusively. The other route is ex Cathedra and Pope Francis takes that route at his own peril as numerous Saints have warned that God would strike dead any Pontiff who was thinking of underming Faith and Morals via the ex cathedra route.
This is madness...just because someone disagrees with you and is spiritually correct...you say he is a sent spy to cause confusion. Too much. You guys constantly bash the Pope and you want everyone to follow along. I am so upset, I'm going to tell Fr. Tom to have a little one on one with Brian...to stop this nonsense. Some of the strongest religious orders have two things in common.,,devotion to Our Heavenly Mother and loyalty to Our Holy Father. You guys are out of control. Especially the Irish contingent...you guys went to war for our Holy Father. And now you turn your back on the Catholic Church. I smell sulfur. May Gods Will be Done
Then answer a simple question which you continue to evade: is there or is there not a pathway to Holy Communion for divorced and remarried Catholics who have not received an annulment and who refuse to live as brother and sister?
Oh dear me, I'm here after posting my item above and this post comes in! It is just so outrageously false! Smudger's (terrible name!) appearance on the forum as a defender of Pope Francis is certainly appreciated by me and I suspect by many faithful Catholics on the forum. That he (or she) is being accused of planting "seeds of doubt and confusion" is so ridiculous as to take my breath away. The forum is full of (well I'll change that to 'has a lot of') people doing just that but smudger's replies are factual and almost always a response to something someone has said or asked. As for me, "pushing the very same line of anti-Catholic rationalizations", wow! I thought I was just trying to defend Pope Francis.
Some wise words........... St. Columbanus; “All we Irish dwelling on the edge of the world are disciples of Saints Peter and Paul and of the disciples who, under the Holy Spirit, wrote the Sacred Canon. We accept nothing outside this evangelical and apostolic teaching. There was no heretic, no Jew, no schismatic, but the Catholic Faith, as first delivered to us by you, the successor of the apostles, is kept unshaken.... We, indeed, are, as I have said, chained to the Chair of Saint Peter; for although Rome is great and known afar, it is great and honored with us only by this Chair.” St. Anthony of Padua; “He who is the beginning and the end, the ruler of the angels, made Himself obedient to human creatures. The creator of the heavens obeys a carpenter; the God of eternal glory listens to a poor virgin. Has anyone ever witnessed anything comparable to this? Let the philosopher no longer disdain from listening to the common laborer; the wise, to the simple; the educated, to the illiterate; a child of a prince, to a peasant.” St. Hilary of Poitiers; “For Christ teaches that only those who become again as little children, and by the simplicity of that age cut off the inordinate affections of vice, can enter the kingdom of heaven. These follow and obey their father, love their mother; are strangers to covetousness, ill-will, hatred, arrogance, and lying, and are inclined easily to believe what they hear. This disposition of affections opens the way to heaven. We must therefore return to the simplicity of little children, in which we shall bear some resemblance to our Lord's humility..” St. Boniface; “Let us trust in Him who has placed this burden upon us. What we ourselves cannot bear let us bear with the help of Christ. For He is all-powerful, and He tells us: 'My yoke is easy, and my burden light.'”
What is madness is attempting to rationalize and defend Communion for divorced and remarried Catholics who refuse to live as brother and sister. That's where the sulfur smell is originating.
Defending Pope Francis or Garabandal or Medjugorje or Vassula or any false accusations against anyone else. You seem to be defending only your own views.
