Pope Francis is still going through his Palm Sunday. The adulation of the world means nothing to him nor does it fool him for one second. Like Jesus, he knows what lies ahead.
See, this is why I hate all of these "witch hunts". I read the first two of your "Gotcha's" and gave up. If everyone is said to be greater than St. Joseph, it is in the same sense in which Jesus said, "whoever is least in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than John the Baptist." Does that mean whoever hits the lowest level of Purgatory is still greater than St. John the Baptist? No...just that more graces are available. For the second one, we are all sharers in the Divine nature, according to St. Peter. I'm not a defender nor a critic of Luisa, but I didn't find these criticisms particularly convincing. I'll just trust in the competent Church authorities to examine these alleged heresies, and determine whether they are valid, in the context of the entirety of her writings.
I'm really tired of this witch hunt against DW being resurrected in threads that are not related. It escapes me what this has to do with the AE of Pope Francis. People are free to think their own thoughts but it's really tiresome having the same old same old arguments posted on completely unrelated threads.
I'm really tired of this witch hunt against DW being resurrected in threads that are not related. It escapes me what this has to do with the AE of Pope Francis. People are free to think their own thoughts but it's really tiresome having the same old same old arguments posted on completely unrelated threads.
These writings of Lusia, in the eyes of Fr John Hardon and Fr. Terrence Staples and the findings presented in L'Osservatore Romano, to name a few, state explicitly ' that they are erronous and heresy!' But you believe questioning these writings, that are presented on a Catholic forum, is a witch hunt? I suppose you could be right as Lusia writings are presented on new age sites and even a wicca site! But how dare a Catholic think they should have a voice! all Catholics should remain silent, just like all the good dutiful little Catholics did over the past 50 years, while other evils and scandles invaded Our faith. I am following the teachings of the Catholic Church as it stands today! and Lusia's writings are not in my Gospel as yet, nor in my Churchs teachings at the moment. If they ever are, then the Church is in Big Trouble and maybe then someone will say 'why didn't more people voice their opinions when we had time to do something about it?'
Joe, you are a devoted, knowledgeable Catholic with a multitude of graces that make it easy for you to know what Pope Francis implies. We are not all so blessed, and my fear is for those who take the interpretation that best suits their situation, but in a selfish way. Certainly, there may be orthodox Catholics taking the most negative view of his words, but this is not necessarily for badness but may be out of fear for those who will deliberately take this view in order to justify sin. I am prepared to admit, for what it is worth (!),that Pope Francis may consider that, for the purposes of conversion of sinners, the risk is worth taking and that he may be right. Particularly if the Warning you mention is imminent. Neither I nor most mortals can know if this is so, but I grant that it is possible that a pope might be given this insight, and perhaps much else, and your reference to his Passion may be most apt.
No, I don't believe questioning them is a witch hunt in itself, but the alleged violations of Church teaching specified are quite flimsy. My reference to a witch hunt specifically was because a witch hunt is aimed at finding witches, and in fact the evidence for finding the witch could be extremely flimsy and/or outright concocted. If, for example, in the context of the entirety of Luisa's writings, she specifies that Mary is indeed God Almighty, then I agree that the writings should not be accepted, but I very much doubt that is the case. I would bet with 99% certainty that the reference is to the entirely orthodox doctrine of divinization, or theosis. With that, I will leave off commenting any more on Luisa, since this is not the proper forum.
This thread is about possible error's that may have slipped into Our Faith via the AL. I believe the Holy Father's Exhortation has no Doctrinal errors and comparing the AL to other dubious writings and contrasting the two has a place here in that context. Its only when supporters of said errors feel obliged to invade the discussion on the exhortation that it becomes a debate. To bring it back to the topic; Heidi what is your opinion of Our Holy Fathers AL exhortation?
It may be salutary to read yesterday's Father Z article quoting Bishop Athanasius Schneider's anxieties about the Exhortation. Some good lessons in Church History. The errors of Pope Liberius (who excommunicated his ultimately vindicated opponent, St. Athanasius) may not be about to be repeated today, but it certainly shows it is not unreasonable to express reservations and that it may not be wise to overly attribute infallibility to a pope beyond its narrow limits.
"The human will is the prime cause of all the evil on earth." [No, the human will is the prime cause of human love. Original sin and demons are the prime cause of sin.] Human will is not the prime cause of evil. Evil is really the consequences of our actions. Human will is not the prime cause of human love. It really has nothing to do with it. Original sin is only the start of evil but has nothing to do with our free will. As for demons being the prime cause of sin...I would argue our actions are the prime cause of evil. Every act against God helps evil to grow. Evil is the result of our sinful actions. Just a thought
I guess I see human will as the cross roads of neither good nor bad. But at every crossroad you need to choose a direction. If you choose sin...evil grows. If you choose righteousness...holiness grows. Love is the consequence of a righteous action. This is what I love of the forum. A way to dialogue the mystical May Gods Will be Done
But do we choose actions out of love...I think so. But do we choose actions out of hate...I think so. Now that could that be considered our gaurdian angel or demon in our ears. Not sure so many possibilities. So much contemplation of the mystical Makes Br. al happy
Very good points and well made DeG. Thank you. Its a well I have grace cause I am short on learning. St Theresa says its better to be learned. AS for the Warning, In 1969 Conchita told Pope Paul the date of the miracle. We know that The Warning will come a short time (within a year) before the Miracle. I have always been sure that this last minute scramble (since Pope Francis took over) to get things as right as possible is partly due to this information having been passed down the line of popes. There is only one sign left that things are about to take off - a papal visit to Moscow. Then TRibulation, Warning. Miracle. Edit. Not sure if Conchita's meeting was in 69. It may have been in 68. But she did tell him the date.
These writings of Lusia, in the eyes of Fr John Hardon and Fr. Terrence Staples and the findings presented inL'Osservatore Romano, to name a few, state explicitly ' that they are erronous and heresy!' Then why up until now have the writings not been disseminated to the faithful due to improper translations and lacking any proper analysis of the whole of her writings?...there is no basis then for any valid analysis up until now since there has been no authorized individual to declare them to be "erroneous" or "heretical" or anything else for that matter? In current times there is only one individual that the Vatican has authorized to "properly interpret the writings of Luisa Piccarreta". That is Fr. Joseph Iannuzzi, a theologian of eschatology (not many of those). This was his doctrinal treatise I believe, presented to the Vatican authorities who received it and granted him that degree which authorized his very favorable presentation of this role of Luisa to educate the faithful in the proper understanding of what living in the Divine Will means. His books: The Gift of Living in the Divine Will in the Writings of Luisa Piccarreta "Over 700 pages in length, Iannuzzi's thoroughly documented and highly researched account of Piccarreta's life is unparalleled in its scope and depth, and is the definitive work of the life and writings of Luisa Piccarreta." All of his books on this subject matter (era of the Divine Will) are based on scripture, approved mystics, saints, Popes, Church teachings. Proper Catholic Perspectives: On the Teachings of Luisa Piccarreta The Splendor of Creation: The Triumph of the Divine Will on Earth and the Era of Peace in the Writings of the Church Fathers, Doctors and Mystics
Thank you so much for your support MarysChild. I also love your name. One of my best friends when I lived in Alabama was actually named Mary Child.
Full text: Interview with Robert Spaemann on Amoris Laetitia. http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n...ith-robert-spaemann-on-amoris-laetitia-10088/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Spaemann
