Some relatives and friends ask me during this summer to write about Medjugorje. In Spain is now a fashionable place to go (no longer to Fatima or Lourdes). After collecting all the data I thought to be verifiable and rigorous I did it in four articles in my blog but in Spanish. I post here the links to the articles just in case some of you is interested. http://amarillo-limon.blogspot.de/2013/08/que-pasa-en-medjugorje-i.html http://amarillo-limon.blogspot.de/2013/08/que-pasa-en-medjugorje-ii.html http://amarillo-limon.blogspot.de/2013/08/que-pasa-en-medjugorje-iii.html http://amarillo-limon.blogspot.de/2013/08/que-pasa-en-medjugorje-iv-y-fin.html Warm regards, Jose
Jose, After a very quick scan of 2 blogs you wrote, I have to ask you, are you an orthodox catholic or is this just a hit piece on Medjugorjie?
I think I am an orthodox catholic. But I am skeptical about many apparitions, visionaries, miracles or demoniac possessions. In matters regarding faith and moral I am 100% catholic.
Some has mailed me privately to get an English translation of the articles. I can only offer to use the google translator tool (http://translate.google.com). I Know the translation is horrible but one can get an idea.
Thank you Jose for your quick reply. You have that right and I will try to read all 4 blogs. God bless.
Hi Jose, I am a believer in Medjugorje but wouldn't deny anyone the right to raise objections (I have done so about another alleged apparition on this site myself). I have scanned a few of pages of your blog and have seen various objections but I have read them all elsewhere previously. To save me the effort of reading all of the material, is there anything original in your research that I am unlikely to have read elsewhere? If so, could you identify any original research and objections. Thanks Responses to some of the objections you raise are contained in the following blog (I am not the author of this blog and have only just found it) http://wademichaelstonge.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/discerning-spirits-ii-weak-objections_01.html
Yes, this is more or less a compilation of diverse material of trusted origin showing that the visionaries are acting, about the nature of some messages of the Virgin, the evolution of those and about the personal profit of the seers. This was written for some Spanish friends and relatives because there is very little published in Spanish about objections to Medjugorje. And, yes, there is something original I found regarding the ecstasies of Ivan. In this post I show two videos from different years (from the 80's and a recent one) where Ivan is licking his lips during his ecstasies. Yes, this is very new. During religious ecstasies activity of senses are suspended and theres is a reduction of internal and external sensations. In Ivan's ecstasies this does not seem to be the case. He is acting.
Regarding the "weak objections" treated in the website you posted it does not address most of the objection I talk about in my articles.
No, and I was doubting to go there you know why? Because despite the good fruits that everybody can see, I still think this is a orchestrated hoax where the seers are making profit from. I give some examples in my blog of this. Therefore, it would be for me really hard knowing I am contributing to the enrichment of these guys. I do not want to support a hoax.
But, please, people, I do not want to get into troubles again because of Medj. I just wanted to share what I wrote. No more.
No, not most, I did say "some". Here is another counter point to one objection and there are others on the same blog: http://mariantimes.blogspot.co.uk/2006/11/medjugorje-objections-of-ratko-peric_29.html The First Church Commission (1982 - 1984) Bishop Žanić established the first Commission on 11 January 1982, which worked until 1984 (O. P., p. 43). It was comprised of four theologians, 2 diocesan priests and 2 religious. The Commission hadn’t even gathered yet when on 14 January 1982 something happened that marked the bishop’s position once and for all. That day, three of the “seers” came to Mostar with the “Madonna’s” message that the bishop, regarding the famous Herzegovinian Affair acted too hastily, because he sought the removal of two Franciscan associate pastors who were causing problems in Mostar. The bishop, who during his lifetime venerated the Madonna with numerous devotions and pilgrimages, upon hearing that the phenomenon in Medjugorje was accusing him of irreligious disorder in reference to the parishes; that it didn’t recognize in him a faithful son of the Church and the Madonna, the Mother of the Church, to whom a year earlier in September 1980, the Cathedral church of Mostar was consecrated; that the phenomenon was defending disobedient religious friars who were obstructing the normal functioning of the Cathedral, began to look with suspicion upon the “messages” and the “apparitions” in Medjugorje.What is very interesting is that we have not heard any defence from the Bishops of Mostar to Our Lady’s allegations, except platitudes relating to the Bishop’s frequent veneration or Our Lady and pilgrimages to other Marian shrines, as if this somehow relieves him of the accusations leveled against him. His lack of defence is not surprising, however, as we know that subsequently the Vatican indeed found that Vego and Prusina were not guilty of any wrongdoing and that Bishop Zanic’s actions were contrary to Canon Law. Case closed! Mary was right!
