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  1. archangel michael

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    Anyone know Italian and can translate? I see alot of problems with the translation from bing.
     
  2. Eamonn

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    I think this translation might be an easier read.



    Antonio Socci official page
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    NEWS 'APOCALYPTIC BY FATIMA (THE LAST MYSTERY: THE SILENCE OF THE SISTERS, BUT WHO IS SILENT ...) There is a novelty in the yellow of the "third secret of Fatima," a prophecy that runs throughout the twentieth century and looks set to its realization f ... See More

    APOCALYPTIC NEWS FROM FATIMA (THE ULTIMATE MYSTERY: THE SILENCE OF THE SISTERS, BUT WHO IS SILENT ...) There is nothing new in the yellow "third secret of Fatima", a prophecy That across the 20th century and its projected final realization Seems .The news is contained in an official publication of the Carmel of Coimbra, That where you lived and died (in 2005) Sister Lucia dos Santos, the last Seer. It's called "A caminho sob or olhar de Maria" and a biography of sister Lucy written by sisters, with valuable unpublished documents of the same Seer. Before seeing them remember well what is the history of Fatima. The STORY of a century in the flare up of the great war, on May 13, 1917 our Lady Appears in the Portuguese village, Shepherd to three children. Lay newspapers make a mockery of the "dupes" defying the Virgin to give a public sign of His presence. She looks to the three children will sign and last appearance, That of October 13, 70 thousand person noticed at the Cova de Iria assist terrorized the whirl of the Sun in the sky. In the aftermath That phenomenon will be reported in the newspapers (even anticlerical.) In the apparition of July 13 Lady Had Given our children a message for the whole world. Was the great prophecy of humanity Had following decades if not returned to God. Took In fact everything: the Bolshevik revolution in Russia, the spread of communism in the world, the bloody persecutions against the Church and finally the tragic second world war. Also There was a third part of the secret was to reveal - said the Lady - Now That John XXIII in 1960 fell swoop, Declared All Because His content was terrible. Provoked a welter of hypotheses. In 2000, Pope John Paul II made known the text of the third secret contains the famous vision of the "Bishop dressed in white", with the Pope over a destroyed city, the many corpses and then the martyrdom of Pope, bishops, priests and faithful. From many elements one could guess That was not all. I also, like other authors, in 2006 published a book, "the fourth secret of Fatima", where I was missing the part, written and posted later with the words of our Lady explaining the vision itself. Secretary The Same to John XXIII , Archbishop Capovilla, who Had lived in the first person, in a conversation with Paolini hinted at the existence of That mysterious "attachment." Ecclesiastical is part is officially denied That exists and That there are prophecies That relate to today's times. Ratzinger in 2010 But a resounding implicit confirmation came by Benedict XVI During a sudden pilgrimage to Fatima, May 13, 2010 Stated: "You would be mistaken who thinks
    That Fatima's prophetic mission is Concluded."He added: "the reality are the future of the Church as they grow and show Themselves ... and so are the sufferings That You announce. " But what could be prophecies, in that text? Do they think These two sentences uttered, in that speech the Pope at Fatima: "man could unleash a cycle of death and terror, but fails to stop it. " And then: "faith in large regions of the Earth, is in danger of dying out like a flame That Is no longer powered." From the words of Pope Benedict is Understood, Therefore, That there is indeed blackberries to the third secret and is drama for the world and for the Church. Just as the Pope's visit is Perhaps two to the publication of this book That does filter through another piece of truth. indeed The volume draws to sister Lucy's letters and unpublished diary Entitled "my journey". Awesome, Among previously unseen, is the story of how Sister Lucia overcame the terror That prevented to write the third secret. UNPUBLISHED The to the 16 of January 3, 1944 in the chapel of the convent, before the Tabernacle, Lucia asked Jesus to know His will: "That then I feel a helping hand, affectionate and motherly I tap my shoulder." It is "the mother of heaven" that says: "are you at peace and write what you drive, but not what I was Given ITS to understand meaning, "going to allude to the meaning of the vision That Had the Virgin herself revealed. Soon after, says sister Lucy- "I heard the spirit flooded with a light mystery That Is God, and in him I have seen and heard: the tip of the spear as a flame That comes off, tap the axis of the Earth, and it trembles: mountains, cities, towns and villages with Their Inhabitants are buried. The sea, rivers and clouds out of bounds, overflow, flood and drag her back to a whirlwind, houses and people in an issue That you can not count, is the purification of the world from sin in Which are the Immersed. The hate, the ambition, the destructive war. After I heard in accelerated heart throb and my spirit a light voice saying, 'over time, one faith, one baptism, one church, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic. In eternity the Heaven! '. This word 'Sky' fill my heart of peace and happiness, That I know, almost without Realizing it, I kept telling myself for a long time: the sky, the sky! . " So you are Given the strength to write the third secret. The new song That I just Mentioned is a very interesting document, where the insiders are easily the historical reconstruction Confirms That the third secret is composed of two parts: one, the vision , was written and Submitted before, and the other - the One That in the words of our Lady is "the meaning" the same vision - was written and sent later. And 'the famous and mysterious "Annex" Which Mentioned Camarillo. It is the text, not yet published, where presumably part That is the most frightened sister Lucy. part The Same That frightened John XXIII (but also, before him, Pius XII) and That Roncalli chose not to disclose why - in His opinion - could be just a thought of sister Lucy and not have supernatural origin. It is a part That so explosive a continue, officially denying the existence. And the opening of Benedict XVI in 2010, Which Also Has led to the publication of this volume, is now closed. WHO IS SILENT ...; This is Demonstrated by what happened to Paolini, major Italian scholar of Fatima Which, having regard to the pages of this book That I felt, wrote to the Carmel of Coimbra asking to see the two new works Mentioned in the book, considering That there are more details on the secreted. The letter arrived at its destination (the receipt of it), but Had no reply. Paolini wrote then again entering into the merits and wondering if sister Lucy Has ever put in black and white That "vision" That the meaning Had Been Given to understand and That 3 January avoided logging at the suggestion of our Lady: "That in the works I asked to see there is no reference to 'blackberries something' about the secret of Fatimaso far, unedited verbatim? ".The letter was received on 6 June. But it hasnt Been Answered. Yet it would Have Been easy to answer no. Clearly, the answer was "Yes", but you can not give, Because That would be explosive. So are silent. However, the vision That I have just reffering to the two elements Mentioned That supposedly are contained in unpublished text of the secret: the prophecy of an enormous calamity for the world and a great apostasy and crisis in the Church. An apocalyptic test at the end of Which - said the Lady Fatima itself - "my Immaculate Heart will triumph." This hoped "triumph" made reference in 2010 Benedict XVI: "That Can These seven years separate us from the centenary of the apparitions ( 2017) rush foretold the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary in the glory of the Holy Trinity. " It means-That today, 2014, we are Already Entered into the frightening proof? In fact if you look at the record and ... Antonio Socci from "free", August 17, 2014 www, antoniosocci.com
     
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  3. davidtlig

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    There is an English website that is now mentioning this item from Antonio Socci. Unfortunately, when it quotes the text reportedly from Sister Lucia, it just uses Google translate again! Nevertheless, the link does clarify things a bit. The link is at:
    http://www.ncregister.com/blog/pat-archbold/new-fatima-revelation

    The text that needs to be translated (accurately) from Italian is quite short so is there anyone reasonably fluent in Italian out there...? It does seem significant.
     
  4. Magdalen

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    It would make sense that there is more than what was revealed in 2000. I cannot doubt the truth of what the Holy Father and Cardinal Ratzinger said at the time was an authentic third secret; I do not believe them to be liars. But then the message was not so upsetting that it could not have been released back in 1960. So perhaps there is an 'annex' or a 4th secret or at least another part.

    We know in the end that Our Lady's heart will triumph but the Era of Peace has not come with the 1984 partial consecration. It is strange too that Sr. Lucy was firm in her speaking before about 1960 and then so accommodating in her later years with all smiles and everything; her appearance was even different. Was it just the years in the Carmel?

    I guess one day we will know the truth. But one thing we can ascertain now is that the apostasy is going worldwide at this time. And so this makes it a time for saints! Hard time are the background for raising up saints. May we strive to be points of light in this darkening world.
     
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    Significant is an understatement! Here's my stab at a translation of the key passages.

    [...] In 2000, John Paul II made known the text of the third secret, which contains the famous vision of the "bishop dressed in white", with the Pope crossing a destroyed city, the many corpses and then the martyrdom of the Holy Father, bishops, priests, and faithful.
    From many factors it was could be inferred that this was not all. I too, like other authors, published a book in 2006, The Fourth Secret of Fatima, in which I showed that the part was missing, (written and sent subsequently), with the words of Our Lady explaining the vision itself. The secretary of John XXIII himself, Archbishop Capovilla, who had experienced everything first-hand, hinted at the existence of just such a mysterious 'Annex' in a conversation with Solideo Paolini.

    On the ecclesial side it has been officially denied that this exists and that there are prophecies concerning our times. But a resounding implicit confirmation came from Benedict XVI himself who stated during an unexpected pilgrimage to Fatima on May 13, 2010: "It would be a mistake to think that Fatima's prophetic mission is completed." He added, "realities of the future of the Church are indicated, which are gradually developing and becoming apparent ... and are therefore the sufferings of the Church as announced." But what prophecies could be found in the text? These two sentences uttered in the speech of the Pope at Fatima give cause for reflection: "Man has succeeded in unleashing a cycle of death and terror, but cannot stop it." And then: "In large regions of the earth, faith is in danger of dying out like a flame which no longer being fed."
    From the words of Pope Benedict it can therefore be inferred that there really is something else in the Third Secret and that it is dramatic for the world and for the Church. Perhaps the release of this book is due to just this papal visit, [a book] which allows another little piece of truth to filter out.

    This volume draws on the letters of Sister Lucia and the unpublished diary entitled "My way." Among the unpublished materials is the impressive story of how Sister Lucia overcame the terror that was preventing her from writing down the Third Secret. Around 4 p.m. on January 3, 1944, in the chapel of the convent, before the tabernacle, Lucia asked Jesus to make his will known to her: "Then I feel that a friendly, loving and motherly hand touching my shoulder." It is "the Heavenly Mother," who says, "be at peace and write what you are being commanded, but not what has been given you to understand of its meaning," alluding to the meaning of the vision that the Virgin herself had revealed to her.

    Immediately afterwards - says Sister Lucia - "I felt my spirit flooded by a mystery of light that is God, and in Him I saw and heard: the tip of the spear like a flame that breaks off, touches the axis of the earth, and the latter trembles: mountains, cities, towns and villages with their inhabitants are buried. The sea, the rivers and the clouds leave their confines, overflowing, flooding and dragging homes and people along with them in a number that cannot be counted; it is the purification of the world from the sin in which it is immersed. Hatred, ambition cause destructive war. Afterwards in the accelerated throbbing of [my] heart and my spirit I heard a soft voice that said, "in time, one faith, one baptism, one Church, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. In eternity, Heaven! "This word "Heaven" filled my heart with peace and happiness, so that, almost without realizing it, I kept repeating to myself for a long time: heaven, heaven. "

    Thus she was given the strength to write down the Third Secret. The unpublished material that I just mentioned is a very interesting document, where those familiar with the case can easily find confirmation of the historical reconstruction according to which the Third Secret is composed of two parts: one, the vision, was written and sent first, while the other - that which in the words of the Virgin Mary is the "meaning" of the vision itself - was written and sent subsequently.

    This is the famous and mysterious "annex" to which Capovilla alluded. This is the text, still unpublished, which presumably is the part that most frightened Sister Lucia. The same part that frightened John XXIII (but also, before him, Pope Pius XII) and which Roncalli decided not to disclose because - in his view - it could be just a thought of Sister Lucia and not of supernatural origin.

    It is so explosive a part that today its existence continues to be officially denied. And the opening up of Benedict XVI in 2010, which also led to the publication of this volume, has now been closed again. This is demonstrated by what happened to Paolini, the most eminent Italian scholar on Fatima who, seeing the pages of this book that I sent him, wrote to the Carmel of Coimbra asking to see the two unpublished works mentioned in the book, believing that there are more details on the secret part. The letter arrived at its destination (receipt recorded), but was not answered. Paolini then wrote again entering into the merits of the case and asking if Sister Lucia had ever put on paper the "meaning of the vision" given to her from on High to understand and which she then on January 3rd refrained from noting down according to the Madonna's suggestion: "in the works that I asked you to consult is there no reference to "something more" regarding the Secret of Fatima, as yet unpublished in textual form? "

    The letter was received by June 6. But it too has not been answered. Yet it would have been simple to say no. Evidently the answer was "yes", but it could not be given, because it would be explosive. Hence silence. However, the vision that I have just mentioned refers to the two elements that are supposedly contained in the unpublished text of the Secret: the prophecy of an immense tragedy for the world and a great apostasy and crisis in the Church. An apocalyptic trial at the end of which - the Madonna herself said at Fatima - "my Immaculate Heart will triumph."

    This hoped-for "triumph" was referred to in 2010 by Benedict XVI: "May the seven years which separate us from the centenary of the Apparitions (2017) hasten the announced triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, to the glory of the Most Holy Trinity." Does this mean that today, 2014, we have already entered into the fearful trial? In fact if you look at the news ...
     
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  6. Mac

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    Thanks for this translation Peter...

    Sister Lucia - "I felt my spirit flooded by a mystery of light that is God, and in Him I saw and heard: the tip of the spear like a flame that breaks off, touches the axis of the earth, and the latter trembles: mountains, cities, towns and villages with their inhabitants are buried. The sea, the rivers and the clouds leave their confines, overflowing, flooding and dragging homes and people along with them in a number that cannot be counted; it is the purification of the world from the sin in which it is immersed. Hatred, ambition cause destructive war. Afterwards in the accelerated throbbing of [my] heart and my spirit I heard a soft voice that said, "in time, one faith, one baptism, one Church, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. In eternity, Heaven! "This word "Heaven" filled my heart with peace and happiness, so that, almost without realizing it, I kept repeating to myself for a long time: heaven, heaven. "

    It would seem those who promote the party line will have some explaining to do.
    'There is nothing more' being their call.
     
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    Peter said..Significant is an understatement!
    Amen to that Peter.

    This book ,by the Nuns in Coimbra would never have seen the light of day if Cardinal Bertone were still in charge. Perhaps it's their way of 'Sticking it to him' and all those who insist ,whether through obedience ,or through private messages that the vision released in 2000 is complete and was symbolic.
    We are going to be hearing about this for some time. And it will be interesting.
     
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    ANYONE see the new article on FATIMA today on SPIRITDAILY??

    http://www.ncregister.com/blog/pat-archbold/new-fatima-revelation

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    BY PAT ARCHBOLD Tuesday, August 19, 2014 6:05 AM Comments (20)
    On the site liberoquotidiano.it, Italian journalist Antonio Socci reveals some new text reportedly written by Sister Lucia of Fatima.

    Socci is the Italian journalist who in 2006 published the book, "The Fourth Secret of Fatima" which contends that there is an additional text composed by Sister Lucia and sent to the Vatican which has never been revealed.

    In this most recent article, Socci relays additional information reportedly from an unpublished diary of Sister Lucia, the provenance of which he reports is "contained in an official publication of the Carmel of Coimbra, the one where she lived and died (in 2005) Sister Lucia dos Santos, the last seer. Entitled "A caminho sob or olhar de Maria" and a biography of Sister Lucia, written by the sisters, with the valuable unpublished documents of the same seer."

    The specific context of the reported text surrounds the time in 1944 when Sister Lucia struggled mightily with writing down the third secret of Fatima.

    The relevant section of the article follows :

    Towards 16:00 hours on January 3rd, 1944, in the convent’s chapel, before the Tabernacle, Lucia asked Jesus to let her know His will: ‘I then feel that a friendly hand, affectionate and maternal, touches my shoulder.’

    It is ‘the Mother of Heaven’ who says to her: ‘be at peace and write what they command you to, but not that which you were given to understand about its meaning,’ intending to allude to the meaning of the vision that the Virgin herself had revealed to her.

    Right after – says Sr. Lucia – ‘I felt my spirit flooded by a light-filled mystery which is God and in Him I saw and heard: the point of the flame-like lance which detaches, touches the axis of the earth and it [the earth] shakes: mountains, cities, towns and villages with their inhabitants are buried. The sea, rivers and clouds leave their bounds, they overflow, flood and drag with them into a whirlpool, houses and people in a number unable to be counted; it is the purification of the world from the sin it is immersed in. Hatred, ambition, cause detructive wars. Afterward I felt in the increased beating of my heart and in my spirit a quiet voice which said: ‘in time, one faith, one baptism, one Church, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic. Heaven in eternity!’ This word, ‘Heaven,’ filled my heart with peace and happiness, so much so that, almost without realizing it, I continued to repeat for some time: Heaven, Heaven!’

    That is how she was given the strength to write the Third Secret.

    Antonio Socci suggests that this diary entry seems to lend credence to the assertion of his 2006 book that there were indeed two parts to the Fatima revelation, one of which is the vision of the "Bishop in white" released in the year 2000 and another part, perhaps composed at a different time and sent later and thus not considered part of the 'secret' by some in the Vatican, that contains the 'meaning of the vision.'

    During a pilgrimage to Fatima in 2010, Pope Benedict said, "It is mistaken to think that Fatima's prophetic mission is completed."

    [Translation Fr. John S. Papagno]



    Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/pat-archbold/new-fatima-revelation#ixzz3AuTxGZgZ
     
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    Emmet also mentions the Prophecies of Sister Elena Aiello.
    A fresh look since they also mention overflowing rivers and seas, which bring ruin and death.

    "Pray, and loose no time, lest it be too late; since dense darkness surrounds the earth and the enemy is at the doors!" Feast of the Immaculate Heart of Mary -- August 22, 1960
    The Madonna speaks: "The hour of the justice of God is close, and will be terrible!

    "Tremendous scourges are impending over the world, and various nations are struck by epidemics, famines, great earthquakes, terrific hurricanes, with overflowing rivers and seas, which bring ruin and death.

    "If people do not recognize in these scourges (of nature) the warnings of Divine Mercy, and do not return to God with truely Christian living, ANOTHER TERRIBLE WAR WILL COME FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST. RUSSIA WITH HER SECRET ARMIES WILL BATTLE AMERICA; WILL OVERRUN EUROPE. The river Rhine willbe overflowing with corpses and blood. Italy, also, will be harrassed by a great revolution, and the Pope will suffer terribly.

    "Spread the devotion to my Immaculate Heart, in order that many souls may be conquered by my love, and that many sinners may return to my Maternal Heart. Do not fear, for I will accompany with my maternal protection my faithful ones, and all those who accept my urgent warnings, and they - especially by the recitation of my Rosary - will be saved.

    "Satan goes furiously through this disordered world, and soon will show all his might. But, because of my Immaculate Heart, the triumph of Light will not delay in its triumph over the power of darkness, and the world, finally, will have tranquility and peace." Good Friday ---1961

    The Sorrowful Madonna speaks:

    "People pay no attention to my motherly warnings, and thus the world is falling headlong into an abyss of iniquity. Nations shall be convulsed by terrible disasters, causing destruction and death.

    "Russia, spurred on by Satan, will seek to dominate the whole world and, by bloddy revolutions, will propagate her false teachings throughout all the nations, especially in Italy. The Church will be persecuted and the Pope and the priests shall suffer much."

    Sister Elena Aiello speaks:

    "Oh, what a horrible vision I see! A great revolution is going on in Rome! They are entering the Vatican. The Pope is all alone; he is praying. They are holding the Pope. They take him by force. They knock him down on the floor. They are tying him. Oh God! Oh God! They are kicking him. What a horrible scene! How dreadful!

    "Our Blessed Mother is drawing near. Like corpses those evil men fall down to the floor. Our Lady helps the Pope to his feet and, taking him by the arm, she covers him with ehr mantle saying: "Fear not!"

    "Flagstaffs (flying the Red Flag over St. Peter's dome and elsewhere) collapse, and power is gone out of the clubs of those evil brutes. These atheists are ever shouting: 'We don't want God to rule over us; we want Satan to be our master!'"

    Our Blessed Mother speaks again:

    "My daughter, Rome will not be saved, because the Itailian rulers have forsaken the Divine Light and because only a few people really love the Church. But the day is not far off when all the wicked shall perish, under the tremendous blows of Divine Justice."
     
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    "My daughter, Rome will not be saved, because the Itailian rulers have forsaken the Divine Light and because only a few people really love the Church. But the day is not far off when all the wicked shall perish, under the tremendous blows of Divine Justice."

    This also would seem to fit with what should be in the missing text. At least according to those who have read it.
     
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    I cant believe this hasn't gone mainstream or that more people arent talking about it. If true the ramifications would be huge....perhaps Pope Francis will clarify or comment.
     
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    ... ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. ...[​IMG]
     
  14. Torrentum

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    For many years I've wondered what on earth was meant by this statement. Your photos stunned me.
    Thank you so much for this.
     
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    Your welcome, Im glad at least one person is still interesred in true prophecy.
    Not sure if its worth posting it here anymore:(
     
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    Keep posting them Mac. Its really Fascinating, and I really appreciate posts like that. I'm sure there are still lots here who are interested. I've noticed the weekends here can be quiet sometimes.
     
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    Thanks Torrentum.
    It says a lot about you[more than you know[ IMO ].
    I know a lot of my posts arent popular,even with you.
    But if you can still take the time an interest in approved prophecy ,then there is still hope.
     
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    "We had the impression it was the Holy Father"

     
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    very interesting
     
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    Great pic! Im a HUGE Fan of Fr Benedict. I share your thoughts on the Bishop in white for he still would be a Bishop though retired.I recently posted on this in the missing planes in Libya forum if they could be used one day to attack Rome in view of isis threats to conquer Rome.Im no visionary just was pondering one day and this came to mind.However this ALL plays out I don't know but to me these 2 men in white is a sign itself...more then anyone knows.Only one other Pope has resigned in Church history and Benidict a year before he resigned was at the Church of that same pope...(Urban I believe) and prayed before his tomb,after it was destroyed by an earthquake in Italy......coincidence????
     
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