To be honest I don't really know what to think about the Third Secret and the Consecration of Russia. I oscillate between acceptance and denial of the official line. On balance I tend to think that neither has been done according to the instructions of Our Lady. We definitely were not given the secret by 1960 as instructed. Perhaps the Church did not so much deceive us as keep us in the dark here. At No time have all the bishops united with the Pope and Consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Not as far as I can see. When they say they have are they lying? The Church does not lie. From all the evidence and witness however it seems that something is seriously wrong. I have always thought of my church as being a spiritual entity not political and no matter how often I am told that this is naive I still hold to this. To have to believe that the Church has deliberately misled us to the detriment and danger of her people and the world would devastate my faith........but not destroy it. It better have a good reason for the path they have taken with regard to Fatima. I still give them the benefit of the doubt and the only benefit in doubt is faith but is is hard to find with regard to Fatima.
Just thought Id jump the gun here a little bit . I still plan on making a couple of videos on the 3rd secret . And was just thinking about the end . For those who realize there is more . Perhaps some help ? The third secret is on one sheet of paper . Is 25 lines of writing . The first line is likely... '' In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved... '' My Immaculate Heart will Triumph '' Likely the end . 23 lines in between . There is pretty good evidence that a few lines are on a physical chastisement. The Earths axis being struck ,causing massive tidal waves killing millions from one moment to the next. There is even better evidence that the majority of the text concerns Apostasy.[at least from those who actually read it]. Can we take a guess using new info and approved prophecy to fill in some blanks?
There has to be mention of Russia and the Ukraine because Father Malachi Martin mentioned Kiev!! "Now as regards the mystery of Fatima it still stands.... So Russia is within the plans. Why? Err....that would take me too far afield into papal secrets. Why Russia and Kiev are involved in the final solution of this problem. But they are. They are part-and-parcel and it's really God's choice. And it is purely and simply God's choice. Like he chose the Jews. He has His own favourite solutions. I wouldn't have chosen Russians or Kiev or The East for salvation. But salvation is to come from the East." Perhaps if you listen to a few Malachi Martin tapes on Youtube you would pick up what the secret is about as he read it. Perhaps I am paranoid but I think the '3rd secret' was not released until after his death, DELIBERATELY!!
I have been listening to this rare interview with Malachi Martin where he explains why the Consecration of the Russia made by John Paul 11 has not been done and has not been accepted by heaven. When you listen to his knowledge of the subject its very hard to argue against his argument as to why the Consecration was not done. After all he should know what he's talking about as he has read the Third Secret and knows ALL its content. Uploaded on Jun 20, 2011 Rare Interview of Malachi Martin at his home in New York by Bernard Jansen on the Church, the state of the world, the Third Secret of Fatima and John Paul II. Great listening with pictures. Malachi Martin The Storm Breaks part 2/5
I was just searching for this quote by Cardinal Ratzinger ... Cardinal Ratzinger’s (now Pope Benedict XVI) revealing 1984 interview inJesus magazine in which he discussed the Third Secret, which he acknowledged he had read. In that interview the Cardinal revealed more than perhaps he intended. He connected three elements together: the Third Secret, Sacred Scripture and other Marian apparitions approved by the Church as authentic. As he said in 1984 — and I quote him exactly — “the things contained in this ‘Third Secret’ correspond to what has been announced in Scripture, and has been said again and again in many other Marian apparitions ...” ... and see Fr Kramer has already given it a good go....including Malachi Martin and Marian prophecy...http://www.fatimacrusader.com/cr82/cr82pg11.asp
25 lines . 1. '' In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved by Fatima 2. a small number of souls who hidden ,will treasure the Faith during Quito 3. the Great Apostasy. Satan will introduce himself even to the highest Frere Michael 4. summit of the Church. He will blind the minds and harden the hearts Frere Michael 5. of pastors. And God will deliver them to themselves as a chastisement Frere Michael 6. for their refusal to obey the requests of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Frere Michael I will add more , a work in progress.
Fr. Malachi Martin also said in one of his interviews. I think it was the famous last interview with Art Bell, though it may have been one of the Bernard Jansen tapes that "The third secret doesn't make any sense unless one accepts the fact that there has been a wholesale apostasy in the Church" (This is the quote from memory, it is somewhere in his many hours of tapes, but it is almost word for word as I have pored over those tapes many times). I find this interesting because it doesn't quite say that the third secret uses the word apostasy, only that it relates to things which only make sense if we accept there has been an apostasy as a baseline fact.
Cardinal Ciappi In a personal communication to a Professor Baumgartner in Salzburg, Cardinal Mario Luigi Ciappi, who was the personal papal theologian to Popes John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I and John Paul II, revealed: In the Third Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top
25 lines . 1. '' In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved by... Fatima 2. a small number of souls who hidden ,will treasure the Faith during ...Quito 3. the Great Apostasy. Satan will introduce himself even to the highest... Frere Michael 4. summit of the Church. He will blind the minds and harden the hearts... Frere Michael 5. of pastors. And God will deliver them to themselves as a chastisement... Frere Michael 6. for their refusal to obey the requests of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.... Frere Michael 7. The Church will be full of those who accept compromises........................Akita 8. Russia would wage a sudden war, would overrun all of Europe ...........Sister Elena Aiello/Malachi Martin 9. The Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity.....................Akita 10. I will be forced to let go the arm of my Son. It is so strong 11. and so heavy, I can no longer hold it back." ..............................................La Salette 12. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity.... Akita 13.The flame-like lance which detaches, touches the axis of the earth and 14 it [the earth] shakes: mountains, cities, towns and villages with their 15 inhabitants are buried. The sea, rivers and clouds leave their bounds, they 16 overflow, flood and drag with them into a whirlpool, houses and people in......Sr Lucia a number unable to be counted; 17 and millions will die from one moment to the next......................... Pope John Paul II
8 and combat America. For those unaware of this prophesy. I see Pope Francis has said that a decision on Medjugorje is now likely to be announced very soon. I dont like that word soon. It means different things. Coming events cast their shadows before them.
Usually in business 'at the top' means the board of directors. The apostasy may come from the board but exclude the boss. In other words cardinals and bishops may apostasise and stab Francis in the back. Et tu Brute?
Certainly possible Joe . Approved prophecy suggests quite strongly we will face a time when the chair is occupied by one who will not defend the Faith. This does not have to mean it is Pope Francis. 1. Quito.. How the Church will suffer during this dark night! Lacking a Prelate and Father to guide them with paternal love, gentleness, strength, wisdom and prudence, many priests will lose their spirit, placing their souls in great danger. 2. La Salette ...“Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist. 3. Anne Emmirich... 4. St Francis ...JESUS CHRIST WILL SEND THEM NOT A TRUE PASTOR, BUT A DESTROYER."
Hi Mac. Definitely a few shadows here. But shadows cannot be ceated without light. Like a caver seeking a way out we follow the light. Thank you for all your research. I am amazed you find the time. You must be a multi tasker. While treating a mum's neck I have been known to be rocking twins in their car seats on the floor ...one foot under each car seat on either side of the plinth. How's that for multi tasking?
All the above talk of prophecy, goings on in Rome (or Archdiocese of St. Paul: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ta-archdiocese-for-turning-blind-eye-to-abuse) ..... ........... and daily proof in the morning newspaper/5PM newscast that Planet Earth is turning to S*** convinces me that it's past time to get back to core beliefs ... like The Apostle's Creed and recall that it's correctly spelled small "c" in "holy catholic Church". It is occurring now in diverse unpleasant places where the Church of Christ consists of a tattered remnant of Christians of all sects ......... surviving in Faith/Hope as best they can! GOD SAVE US ..... EVERYONE!!
I have read through much of this thread to see if I can find any reference to something I remember reading years and years ago. It was said that a copy of the 3rd secret of Fatima was sent to the head of state in 3 countries. 1.......Russia 2..... England 3......I can't remember if the third was USA or France. I do remember thinking what did McMillan do with the information. He was the man in England at the time. Has anyone else on the forum ever heard this. The thing is, how come no one has ever investigated to see if this was correct. It would be interesting to find out.
I love Our Lady of Good Success. IMHO, some of the most stunningly accurate proof of divine prophecy. This sentence has always puzzled me though: 1. Quito.. How the Church will suffer during this dark night! Lacking a Prelate and Father to guide them with paternal love, gentleness, strength, wisdom and prudence, many priests will lose their spirit, placing their souls in great danger. The sedevacantists use it to attempt to prove their theory of there being no Pope, but prelate can mean any one of the bishops (or more than one perhaps). I wonder if it will mean there will be an anti-pope in power or that perhaps there will be some sort of a schism or break (war?) that will make holding a conclave impossible.
Regarding number 2: I think (and I could be wrong on this) we are not in the time of the antichrist. I think that will be after the period of peace Our Lady has promised. I think we are in a time that will in many ways mirror the end of the world, but will not quite get there. So I think this prophecy may refer to a later date. Regarding number 3: I love St. Francis and did some research on this prophecy a while back and came up with some sites saying this was falsely ascribed to him and that he did not actually say this. Something akin to the 3DD prophecies attributed to Padre Pio. I would not bet the farm on them being correct, but I remember at the time they seemed to be sober and reputable, not kooks or someone expressing their opinion.
