Has Russia been Consecrated-Excellent read!

Off course also there are so many saints alive and going about in the Church at the moment. Perhaps more than in all of history.

We will Triumph, Mary has promised it. Sometimes it may not look like it, but we will, we have God's Word for it.

Oh God make us all saints.

 

The three books are available to read on-line:
The Whole Truth About Fatima: Volume I Science and the Facts
http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/fatima1/

The Whole Truth about Fatima, Volume II: The Secret and the Church
http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/fatima2/

The Whole Truth about Fatima: Volume III: The Third Secret
http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/fatima3/

 

Vladimir Putin's ally issues chilling warning to the West: 'Tanks don't need visas'

"One of Vladimir Putin's closest aides has issued a chilling warning to the West: "Tanks don't need visas".

Deputy premier Dmitry Rogozin - seen by some as a future Kremlin president - claimed the West is now scared of Moscow's military muscle.

His outspoken words come as the West remains at loggerheads with Russia over Putin's seizure of Crimea, and alleged military strongarm tactics in eastern Ukraine.

Vowing to exploit the vast mineral riches of the Arctic, Rogozin claimed that America and Euorpe "are afraid of Russia"."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putins-ally-issues-chilling-5762833

Top Iranian Official: Russia to deliver ANTI-MISSLE DEFENSE SYSTEM to Iran very soon
Read more: http://therightscoop.com/top-irania...fense-system-to-iran-very-soon/#ixzz3bGhDzjhS

Gather ye minerals and energy while ye may.....in order to control those dependent upon them but who offer no resistance to such hegemony plans. And make sure your chosen strong man of the Middle East is both supplied and protected from any possible defensive retaliation.

 

I just received an email from Fr. Joseph Iannuzzi entitled:
Has Russia Been Consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary?
Rev. J.L. Iannuzzi, STD, Ph.D.
If anyone is interested in this important read, please email me (lynnfiat@charter.net) and I will send you by return email his letter. It is too long to post on this forum.

 

Prophecy on Russia December 13, 1993 (through Vassula)

I Am is with you and I shall never fail you; you are bound to Me .... now I have called you and you responded; write, My Vassula: your sister Russia will honour Me in the very end and one day will be called holy for I shall be her Ruler; once again, integrity will live there .... yes?

Lord, corruption is penetrating in her now ....
I will lower her eyes ....
I do not understand in which way, Lord, will You lower her eyes.
Very well, I will tell you then: by the brilliance of My majesty then I will come and rest in her heart ....
Lord, she still lives in the blackness of sin, and anguish.
Those who have taken the wrong turning will fall; I will destroy the luxurious forces with My Fire and the proud will be brought low; I intend to rebuild My House and I shall adopt her sons and daughters to honour Me;
Vassula, do not just stand there bewildered and uncomprehending; I tell you, your sister Russia will be the head of many nations and will glorify Me in the end; listen carefully and understand: her shepherds will be gathering while treaties will be breaking elsewhere, and while rebellion will be working its way elsewhere to abolish the Perpetual Sacrifice, Russia's shepherds will be gathering to restore My House, reverencing the Perpetual Sacrifice, worshipping and honouring Me; when in the last days nation after nation will decline and pervert itself for having erected the disastrous abomination in the Holy Place, Russia's shepherds will be gathering to sanctify her altars; and while others will be reverencing a lifeless form, an invention of human skill, an unbreathing image, Russia's shepherds will be gathering, glorifying Me, for I, God, will preserve her Integrity; and while efforts very evilly are being spent elsewhere to shorten the days of My mouthpieces, since they are the hope of this world, Russia's shepherds will be gathering, to protect My Holy Sacrifice, and I, for My part, will be setting My Throne in her, and I will assemble all those who bear My Name together for My Glory;
I will repair her broken altars, for many who live under My Name will side up with her in the end, and her shepherds will, with one hand, and one spirit re-erect My tottering House; what had once been twisted will now be straightened, and I will adorn Russia with impressive vestments because of her zeal in Me; I will place her shepherds at the head of innumerable nations; I have engraved her with the seal of consecration to offer Me, once more, incense and an appeasing fragrance; this is why I will overwhelm her shepherds with miracles;
"Russia, My Loyalty and My Gentleness will sanctify you; Russia, My daughter, acknowledge Me entirely and I promise you on oath to exalt your descendants like stars and give them sacred vestments; acknowledge Me entirely, Russia, and I will annihilate all your opponents; I will, if you acknowledge Me wholly, do fresh wonders in you to prove to everyone living under the sun, My Mercy and My Holiness;"
I am ready to show My Compassion on her and I will not be slow if she welcomes Me eagerly; I will not delay to show her how I, the Almighty, can eliminate the arrogant and break their lawless sceptres; but, if she will perverse the liberty I have just given her and will put Me out of her mind, even for just a while, I will allow an enemy to invade her .... if Russia will not come back to me with all her heart and acknowledge Me with an undivided heart, as her Saviour, I will send a vast and mighty host in her and from her to all nations, a host such as has never been before, such as will never be again to the remotest ages, and the sky will turn black and will tremble, and the stars will lose their brilliance ....
"Today I am ready to make up to you, Russia, for the years you suffered and I can still snatch you all from the blaze, were you to acknowledge Me fully; seek good and not evil, have you already forgotten your famine and your drought? .... I have pushed back the red dragon and destroyed the luxuriance of his empire; I humbled the proud, I have opened the prison gates and freed your captives, I overthrew the kingdom of the red dragon that had coiled in your womb, that one that made the earth tremble turning your land into a wasteland; to honour My Name again in you, I have opened your Churches one after the other, I called you by your name that Day:
Russia
to rejoice and be glad, and to celebrate the Feast of My Transfiguration, 7 I transfigured your image instantly; your misery of oppression was your punishment for the crimes of the world; and now I am waiting to be gracious to you, Russia, for in the end you will glorify Me, I tell you, while others will be destroying you will be building; while many will be falling, your shepherds will be rising, if you put your trust in Me; and, while some of My Own, sitting at table with Me, will be wickedly betraying Me, you, you will be the one who will stretch out your hand to defend My Name, My Honour and My Sacrifice, and so every one of your sins will have been paid;
"you will then step forward, loyally, and save your brother, your brother who was the prey of the evil one; you will resurrect the Church into One, and Justice will come to live in Her; Justice will bring Peace and everlasting security; happy will you be, singing praises to Me; rich will you be, for the loyalty you showed towards your King, He will repay you a hundredfold; and there where treaties were broken, prophets despised and killed, there where much offence was sown and threats pronounced reaching the heavens with an uproar, there, My beloved, there your shepherds' noble voices will call out:
"'Salvation! priests and ministers of the Most High, salvation will only be found in Love! Peace! shepherds of the Reflection of the Father, peace will only be found in Forgiveness; Unity! unity, brothers of the Light thrice holy and Who is One in Three, Three in One Light, will only be found by intermarrying! may our Lord Almighty, the Irresistible One, render us worthy of His Name, may He grant us to be one in His Name; Eternal Father, let us be so completely one that the rest of the world will realise that it was You who sent the Sacrificial Lamb to glorify You and have Your Name known;'
"thus you will ravage the Divider and you will repair what had been undone; Russia, your role is to honour Me and glorify Me; the Festivity has yet to come, but it depends from you in which manner that Day will come:

Do not let Me make you return to Me by fire,
but with bonds of Peace;"

 

I am pasting, below in 2 separate postings,, the contents of Fr Iannuzzi's document that lynnfiat mentions above:


Has Russia Been Consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary?


Rev. J.L. Iannuzzi, STD, Ph.D.

In recent years the faithful have asked me to address the question of whether or not the consecration of Russia requested by Mary has been done. In response, I begin by recalling the 3rd apparition of Our Lady of Fatima on July 13, 1917, in which Mary showed the three shepherd children the vision of hell and revealed:

"You have seen Hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to My Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end; if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the pontificate of Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that He is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father.

To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world".


In the last apparition of Fatima of June 13, 1929, Lucia relates:

"Our Lady then said to me: ‘The moment has come in which God asks the Holy Father, in union with all the Bishops of the world, to make the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means. There are so many souls whom the Justice of God condemns for sins committed against Me, that I have come to ask reparation: sacrifice yourself for this intention and pray.’"

Let us now review the papal consecrations of Russia and of the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

In March 1937 and in 1938 respectively Bishop De Silva Leiria and the Portuguese episcopate asks Pope Pius XI for the Consecration of the World to the Immaculate Heart. No consecration is made.

In December 1940 Sr. Lucia writes a letter to Pope Pius XII affirming that Our Lord himself requests the Pope to "consecrate the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, with a special


mention for Russia, and order that all the Bishops of the world do the same in union with Your Holiness."

1) On October 31, 1942 Pope Pius XII consecrates the world to the Immaculate Heart.

2) On July 7, 1952 Pope Pius XII consecrates the Russian people to the Immaculate Heart through his apostolic letter Sacro Vergente Anno, in which he affirms: "Just as a few years ago We consecrated the entire human race to the Immaculate Heart of the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, so today We consecrate and in a most special manner We entrust all the peoples of Russia to this Immaculate Heart."

3) On November 21, 1964 Pope Paul VI renews, in the presence of the Fathers of the Vatican Council but without their participation, the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart.

4) On May 13, 1982 Pope John Paul II invites the bishops of the world to join him in consecrating the world and with it Russia to the Immaculate Heart. Many do not receive the invitation in time for the Pope's trip to Fatima, where he accomplishes the consecration, but Sr. Lucia later says it did not fulfill the conditions.

5) October 1983 Pope John Paul II, at the Synod of Bishops, renews the 1982 Consecration.

6) On March 25, 1984 Pope John Paul II, "united with all the pastors of the Church in a particular bond whereby we constitute a body and a college," consecrates "the whole world, especially the peoples for which by reason of their situation you have particular love and solicitude." Both the Pope and Sr. Lucia initially seemed uncertain that the consecration has been fulfilled, but shortly thereafter Sr. Lucia tells the papal nuncio to Portugal that the Consecration is fulfilled.

In light of the preceding, Sr. Lucia would pen two monumental letters with her own hand in answer to the question pertaining to the validity of the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. In two handwritten letters of August 29, 1989 and of July 3, 1990 Sr. Lucia affirms that the Russian consecration requested by Our Lady "was made" (see two letters reported below).

Let us now review from a practical angle the validity of the consecration of Russia to Mary’s Immaculate Heart. Let us recall on June 13, 1929 that Mary stated, "The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to her and Russia will be converted. Some have questioned if Mary’s deliberate use of the future tense here qualifies as prophecy of the 1984 consecration that Lucia said "was made as Our Lady requested". While past Pontiffs had consecrated "the people of Russia" and "the world" to Mary, others have contested that consecrating "the people of Russia


without the episcopal college" and "the world with the episcopal college" does not count for consecrating "specifically Russia in union with the episcopal college". To get beyond this impasse, a brief review of the importance of methodology is in order.

In all accredited disciplines there is no reliability of a given source without a method of research. Methodology distinguishes primary from secondary sources with the aim of ensuring reliability of a given source. A primary source (e.g., Lucia, Francisco and Jacinta re. the Fatima messages) provides direct or firsthand recount of an event or person. On the other hand, a secondary source describes, discusses, interprets, comments upon and analyzes the primary source (e.g., all those who comment on the Fatima message). This is a pivotal distinction as it exposes to the reader the disparity of authority enjoyed by a primary and secondary source – the first-hand witness is the primary source who enjoys a greater authority re. the event witnessed than the secondary source.


In the case of the Fatima message Lucia remains the primary source. Human reason would have one first look to the primary source for the answer to the question on whether or not Russia was consecrated according to Our Lady request. Here is Lucia’s response contained in her hand-written letters of August 29, 1989 and July 3, 1990:

 

Letters of Sr. Lucia Santos, OCD on the Consecration

Letter 1: To Sr. Mary of Bethlehem

J.+ M. Pax Christi

Dear Sister Mary of Bethlehem:

Received your letter and, although I have very little time at my disposal I will answer your question which is: Is the Consecration of the world, according to the request of Our Lady, made? On Oct. 31, 1942, His Holiness Pius XII made the Consecration. I was asked if it was made as Our Lady requested. I answered "NO," because it was not made in union with all the bishops of the world. Later, on May 13, 1967, His Holiness Paul VI made the Consecration. I was asked if it was made as Our Lady requested. I responded "NO," for the same reason, it was not made in union with all the bishops of the world. On May 13, 1982, His Holiness John Paul II made the Consecration. I was asked if it was made. I responded "NO." It was not made in union with all the bishops of the world.

Then this same Supreme Pontiff, John Paul II wrote to all the bishops of the world asking them to unite with him. He sent for the statute of Our Lady of Fátima -- the one from the little Chapel to be taken to Rome and on March 25, 1984 - publicly - with the bishops who wanted to unite with His Holiness, made the Consecration as Our Lady requested. They then asked me if it was made as Our Lady requested, and I said, "YES." Now it was made.

Why this urgency of God that this Consecration should be made in union with all the bishops of the world? Because this Consecration is a call for unity of all Christians - The Mystical Body of Christ - whose head is the Pope, the one, true representative of Christ on earth to whom the Lord confided the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and on this union depends the faith in the world and the charity which is the bond that must unite all of us in Christ, as that which He wants, and as He asked the Father: "As You, O Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You have sent Me. . . I in them, and You in Me; that they be made perfect in one, and the world may know that You have sent Me and have loved them as You have loved Me" (John 17:21-23).

As we see of the union depends the faith and the charity that must be the bond of our union in Christ, whose true representative on earth is the Pope.

A hug to your mother and my greetings to the rest of the family in union with prayers.

Coimbra, August 29,1989

Sr. Lucia

________________________________________

J.+ M. Pax Christi

Rev . do Sr. P. Robert J. Fox,

Recebi a sua carta e venho responder á sua pergunta: "Se a Consagração feita por João Paulo II, em 25 de Março de 1984, em união com todos os Bispos do mundo, cumpriu as codições para a coversão da Russia, segundo o pedido de Nossa Senhora em Tuy a 13 de Junho de 1929."? Sim, cumpriu, e desde aí, eu tenho dito que está feita.

E digo que não é nenhuma outra pessoa que responde por mim, sou eu quem recebe a correspondência, abre as cartas e responde.

Em união de orações

Coimbra, 3-VII-l99O

Irmã Lúcia

(signature)

TRANSLATION:

J.+ M. The Peace of Christ

Rev. Father Robert J. Fox,

I come to answer your question, "If the consecration made by Pope John Paul II on March 25, 1984 in union with all the bishops of the world, accomplished the conditions for the consecration of Russia according to the request of Our Lady in Tuy on June 13 of 1929?" Yes, it was accomplished, and since then I have said that it was made.

And I say that no other person responds for me, it is I who receive and open all letters and respond to them.

Coimbra, July 3, 1990

Sister Lucia

From a more practical angle, let us now examine the "fruits" of the March 25, 1984 consecration that Lucia affirmed was "made as Our Lady’s requested" and "was accomplished" to see if they are good fruits, for Jesus himself revealed, "Every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit… So by their fruits you will know them" (Mt. 7.17-21).

Subsequent to the March 25, 1984 consecration the following events occurred:

On May 13, 1984 one of the largest crowds in Fatima history gathers at the shrine to pray the Rosary for peace.

On May 13, 1984 an explosion at the Soviets’ Severomorsk Naval Base destroys two-thirds of all the missiles stockpiled for the Soviets’ Northern Fleet. The blast also destroys workshops needed to maintain the missiles as well as hundreds of scientists and technicians. Western military experts called it the worst naval disaster the Soviet Navy has suffered since WWII.

In December 1984 the Soviet Defense Minister, mastermind of the invasion plans for Western Europe, suddenly and mysteriously dies.

On March 10, 1985 the Soviet Union leader and communist party member Chairman Konstantin Chernenko dies.

On March 11, 1985 the Soviet Chairman Mikhail Gorbachev is elected.

On April 26, 1986 the Chernobyl nuclear reactor accident occurs that potentially staves off a nuclear strike during the cold war era.

On April 26, 1987 the 1st Anniversary of Chernobyl, the Virgin Mary is reported to have appeared to a 12-year old girl Maria Kizyn and later to thousands of adults at the Chapel of the Blessed Trinity in a small Ukrainian village of Hrushiv 530 kilometers southwest of the Chernobyl nuclear disaster. The August 1987 article in Literaturnaya Gazeta affirmed that more than 100,000 people converged on the village in the first month and, despite the Soviet authorities having locked up the Chapel where the vision occurred, the paper revealed that 40,000 to 45,000 faithful visit the site daily.

On May 12, 1988 an explosion wrecked the only factory that made the rocket motors for the Soviets’ deadly SS 24 long-range missiles, which carry ten nuclear bombs each.

On August 29, 1989 concerning the consecration of Russia Sr. Luica writes, "They then asked me if it was made as Our Lady requested, and I said, ‘YES.’ Now it was made".

On November 9, 1989 the Fall of the Berlin Wall occurs, and Christian freedom and public worship is permitted throughout all of Eastern Europe for the first time since the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution.

Nov.-Dec. 1989 Peaceful revolutions in Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria and Albania

1990 East and West Germany are unified.

On July 3, 1990 Sr. Lucia affirms in correspondence that the consecration "has been accomplished".

On December 25, 1991 there occurs the dissolution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Given the foregoing, and in light of my many travels to all continents of the globe that include Russia and Ukraine (where preached there on several occasions), I invite you to reflect on the spiritual and moral status quo of the Western and Eastern Church and make up your mind on whether or not Russia has been converted or not.

In the Western world:

- In Western Europe at least 28 cathedrals were sold (and are still being sold) to become casinos, hotels, cafeterias, mountain for alpinists.

- The churches are getting emptier by the year and many Christians have apostatized. Many priests too are failing Jesus, and monasteries and convents are emptying.

- Governments are extinguishing the little light left of Christianity in public schools and in public places, and prohibit the catechism in schools under the pretext that here are other religions in the classroom which they will offend.

- The European Union allows gay marriages even in Churches, and much more immorality has spread in the Western world losing all the human and spiritual values previous generations had labored to establish.

However in Russia:

- In Russia hundreds of new Churches are being built out of necessity, and the ones now in use are more than full with believers.

- The Russian Churches are filled with the faithful to the brim, and the monasteries and convents are packed with new novices.

- The Government in Russia does not deny Christ, but speaks openly and encourages schools to keep their Christianity, and teach pupils their catechism.

- The Government together with the Church declared openly that they will not be part of the European Union, because the EU has lost its moral values and their Christianity as they had in the past under the Soviet Union; they left their faith and denied Christ. This time they declared "no one will tear us away from our faith and we will defend our faith until death."

- Russia declared that gays are not welcomed and not allowed to make processions, let alone gay marriages. Russia declared that any foreigner who wants to live in Russia will be asked: 1) To learn Russian, 2) to become Christian and follow their traditions. If not, they are not welcomed (Note bene: While Russia is predominantly Orthodox Christian – they have all 7 Sacraments, which Rome acknowledges as valid – they allow other Christians to openly express and practice their faith (there are in Moscow several Catholic and Anglican Churches).

Who of the two needs to be converted

 

Exactly David. Those are the exact reasons why God will use Russia as His instrument of chastisement, the West "has lost its salt/first love, and is good only to be thrown down and trodden under".

 

Thank you Davidtlig, I couldn't figure out how to post this - figured it out later and posted it elsewhere on this site. God bless you.

 

Thank you lynnfiat and Davidtlig for sharing this factual information. I have believed the Consecration done in 1984 as confirmed by Lucy of Fatima to have been accepted by Heaven.

I believe Russia was not meant to be forcibly converted by God; but free to convert and turn back to Him. Forced conversion is no better than slavery. God does not make slaves of us or our Russian brothers and sisters.

I feel we are under the protection of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Through Blessed Mothers' intercession we have Jesus promise to come as our Merciful Saviour. I feel we are living in the time of Divine Mercy. I wonder if this will culminate in what is called the Illumination of conscience or Warning; where we will see the state of our souls as God sees us. Giving us a chance to repent and correct our lives.

I do believe Chastisements would be after all other means to call us back to God have been exhausted.

I have felt for some years based on Don Bosco prophesies that the Chastisement will come in the form of muslim fanatics, who will believe they are doing God a favour killing us, not Russia.

God preserve us.

 

The leaders of Russia are not converted. People who have power there is dominated by the devil.

Our Lady ask to the visionaries of Venezuela to do a pilgrimage to Fatima until 2017 for the conversion of Russia.

People in Fatima consider it highly trustful and for me it is authentic.

 

Im not a follower of Vasula, but I agree with Fathers conclusions...
A few other Fruits to ponder

http://www.courageouspriest.com/vision-Fatima

The consecration was fulfilled by Pope John Paul II almost three years after the attempt on his life, on the Solemnity of the Annunciation, March 25, 1984. Particularly noteworthy was the series of events that followed this consecration. Mary had specifically identified the threat of Communism. After this consecration,Communism fell in Russia. As Professor Américo Pablo López-Ortiz wrote in our previous newsletter, this took place through an especially noteworthy series of events which occurred on days dedicated to Our Lady. On August 22, 1991, the Feast of the Queenship of Mary, the Communist party was thwarted in an attempt to overthrow Gorbachev. On the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, December 8, 1991, it was announced that the community of independent states would replace the USSR. On Christmas Day, 1991, the presidents of Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus announced the formal dissolution of the USSR. On January 1, 1992, Russia emerged as an independent state open to religious freedom and public worship. Without the use of the sword, Communism in Russia had collapsed.

I know many say the Holy Father didn't ever say the word Russia....but he gave the definition of Russia,

Did Russia Spread Her Errors Throughout The World?

Since the USSR is no longer in existence, does that mean that the goal of Fatima is fulfilled? By no means! Mary warned the children that Russia’s errors would spread throughout the world. What are the errors that underlie Communism? Materialism, atheism, individualism, putting self before others; all of these are spiritual sicknesses we can see in various incarnations, not only abroad and in our land, but even within our own hearts.

If this last vision can truly be said to be a synthesis of the entire message of Fatima, then our response should be to totally consecrate ourselves to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Might we think of Russia as an image of the sinner infected by the disease of sin and needing to be given over entirely to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, who models and leads us to Jesus, her Son?

Full story http://www.courageouspriest.com/vision-fatima

 

From the information found on this thread. Russia has been Consecrated to Immaculate Heart of Mary? Yes.

Should we still view the Russian leaders as an evil threat to our Christian Civilisation? No; because they are no more under the power of satan than the leaders in the rest of the world.

Our Governments are destroying the Commandments of God one after the other when they pass laws in defiance against the Laws of God. Do we think this is the work of the Holy Spirit? No.

Devtion to Immaculate Heart of Mary needs to be upheld in practising 5 first Saturdays.

With Gods help Holy Father will renew Consecration to Immaculate Heart of Mary every year until the Triumph and in thanksgiving there after until the end of time. Or that is what I would love to see.

 

I think there are good arguments to be made on both sides of the issue. Frankly I am undecided but leaning towards it having not been done. I just don't see a positive change having taken place in the world of such a scale that people would have to agree it was from the grace of heaven. In fact things seem to be getting worse and worse. I think the key here is if it was it done as Our Lady requested. Even if what was done may or may not have been "acceptable to heaven" and thus might have bore fruit, Russia was not named specifically and it was not done in union with all of the bishops of the world. I say do it exactly as Our Lady told us to. What have we got to lose?

 

The dissolution of the Soviet Union (of which Russia was only a part and afterwards kept its hegemony goals) was brought about by the Marian Year established by JPII in 1987. Since the treaty with the Soviet Union was then dissolved which had been an impediment to the full consecration in 1984 Russia could have been truly consecrated by name then with no impediment and it wasn't.

Messages from 1984 and 1987 contained in the message book for the Marian Movement of Priests, fully endorsed by the Church, with international cenacles and appointed national directors (the U.S. director having been given permission to dedicate his entire time to that priestly occupation, with permission as well to stay at the International Headquarters in Italy when there) with the current protocol for all cenacles to include the meditation and reflection on one of those messages given to Fr. Gobbi (who continued to be a close friend to JPII, still concelebrating masses with him until late in life) gives the understanding of just how heaven "accepted" the 1984 attempt at the requested consecration of Russia explicitly:

(U.S. Director, Fr. Francis Geremia, c.s.; My Mission for 2015 "My Superior General, after having been informed by Cardinal Velasio De Paolis, who is my former professor and confrere, that the MMP is a great help to the Church, has given me permission to work full time for the MMP and to reside at the international headquarter when I am in Italy. I will be available to conduct cenacles throughout the world".... Directives for our Cenacles....#4 - Reading of one of the Blessed Mother's messages from the book, "To the Priests, Our lady's Beloved Sons.".....It is prohibited to introduce any other messages or private devotions.)
From that book, "To the Priests, Our lady's Beloved Sons":

#287 (March 25, 1984) Mary: .....Yes, I myself manifested my wish at Fatima, when I appeared in 1917; I have asked it many times of my daughter, Sister Lucy, who is still on earth for the accomplishment of this mission I have entrusted to her; during these years I have insistently requested it through the message entrusted to my sacerdotal Movement; today I renew my request that all be consecrated to my Immaculate Heart. ...... Before all I ask it of Pope John Paul II, the first of my beloved sons, who on the occasion of this feast, performed the consecration in a solemn manner, after writing to the bishops of the world and inviting them to do so in union with him. ...... Unfortunately the invitation was not welcomed by all the bishops; particular circumstances have not yet permitted the explicit consecration of Russia which I have requested many times. As I have already told you, this consecration will be made to me when the bloody events are well on the way to actuality.

#356 (June 10, 1987) This Marian Year This Marian Year which, under my interior inspiration, my pope has promulgated for all the Church is an extraordinary even of grace and of mercy. ...... It will moreover be particularly important for the development of the great events which have been foretold to you by me if, during this year, there be at last carried out my request, made to my daughter, Sister Lucia of Fatima, that Russia be consecrated to me by the Pope together with all the bishops of the world.

#357 (July 3, 1987) "Why has my Pope desired to consecrate this year to me by declaring an extraordinary Marian Year, in order to invite the whole Church to look to me to listen to me, to honor me, to follow me, to enter into the refuge of my Immaculate Heart? ..... Because my times have come. As of this year [1987, not 1984], in a strong and official way, the times of your heavenly Mother will begin."

"The disintegration of the Soviet Union began on the peripheries, in the non-Russian areas. The first region to produce mass, organized dissent was the Baltic region, where, in 1987, the government of Estonia demanded autonomy. This move was later followed by similar moves in Lithuania and Latvia, the other two Baltic republics. The nationalist movements in the Baltics constituted a strong challenge to Gorbachev’s policy of glasnost. He did not want to crack down too severely on the participants in these movements, yet at the same time, it became increasingly evident that allowing them to run their course would spell disaster for the Soviet Union, which would completely collapse if all of the periphery republics were to demand independence. ..... After the initiative from Estonia, similar movements sprang up all over the former Soviet Union."

http://www.coldwar.org/articles/90s/fall_of_the_soviet_union.asp

And I think those who accept that the consecration has fully been accomplished should also then have to ask themselves (if they are honest about the "fruits" promised) if, the horrendous, even diabolical, conditions of the world we are now living in are truly due to the Consecration having been fully done, then what difference has it really made?

 

Russia wasn't a country at the time of consecration....she was the USSR...who controlled almost half the worlds population. Our Holy Father JP2 said , and those peoples you are still awaiting consecration= Russia, even tho they morfed into the Soviet Union.....Do you really think our Lady looked upon our desperate world and snubbed her nose at our Holy Fathers actions because he didn't say the word Russia??? he gave the definition but not the word....Im sure our Lady of Mercy excepted our Popes actions!

We ALL must wait and pray for the Fatima fulfillment of our Lady...
The TRIUMPTH of her Immaculate Heart!

 

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can I please have a Vatican document that shows FULL Canonical approval of the marian movement of priests with time stamp... I was a BIG promoter of this movement in the 1990s and I no longer do so.

 

The Marian Movement of Priests is a private association of Catholic clergy and lay associate members founded by Italian priest Fr. Stefano Gobbi in 1972. MMP is a movement within the Church that has continued for decades with hierarchical permissions within the realm of private revelations and according to the protocol of the Church for private revelations. From the U.S. website of the MMP:

http://www.mmp-usa.net/papal_blessing.html







IMPRIMATUR (Pronounced im-prim-AH-tur - Latin for "let it be printed.")

Imprimatur is an official approval from the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church stating that a literary or similar work is totally free from error in all matters of faith and doctrine, and hence is acceptable reading for faithful Catholics. Approval is also sometimes indicated by the words Nihil Obstat which mean "nothing hinders": there is no obstacle to publication. An imprimatur is not given lightly; it follows a thorough review process. It is usually printed on a page at or near the beginning of the work. The name and title of the official church censor or other ecclesiastical authority, and the date that permission was granted, always accompany either declaration.




El Cardenal Bernardino Echeverria Ruiz, OFM



Cardinal Daoud's Imprimatur for Arabic Edition

Cardinal Wu's Imprimatur for Chinese Edition











Does the Church support the Marian Movement of Priests?

The Imprimatur
The book, "To the Priests, Our Lady's Beloved Sons," enjoys the Imprimatur of three Cardinals: the late Cardinal Echeverria of Ecuador, Cardinal Vidal of the Philippines and Cardinal Mikaï of Thailand. It also has the Imprimatur of many archbishops and bishops worldwide. Although the Imprimatur is not a declaration of authenticity, it does assure the reader that the book is free from doctrinal error - i.e. it does not contain anything which is contrary to Catholic faith or morals.

The Pope
Fr. Gobbi annually concelebrated Mass with the Holy Father in his private chapel, at which time he also gave him a report on the Movement and his cenacle tours. If Fr. Gobbi were teaching a false doctrine which is contrary to the Scriptures and the teachings of the Magisterium, would the Holy Father not reprimand him and tell him to cease his activities? On the contrary, Pope John Paul II has blessed the Marian Movement of Priests on numerous occasions and has encouraged Fr. Gobbi for the very positive work that he was doing. The book continues to be published in almost all the languages, and Fr. Gobbi and other priests travel worldwide to conduct cenacles.

The Hierarchy
Cardinals and bishops also continue to support Fr. Gobbi and to promote the Marian Movement of Priests and the cenacles.


The schedule of cenacles for 2015 with permission of local bishops is established. One such example is Fr. Ronan Murphy a great and holy priest who has been discussed in other threads here....has received the approval of his bishop to conduct cenacles throughout the country. When it comes to private revelations the Church stands where the local bishop is.

I for one cannot be holier than where the Church currently stands in its permissions granted for its movements.

In reality, the Marian Movement of Priests continues to meet regularly in Rome and elsewhere with the permission and participation of bishops.


Unless a condemnation is warranted for the good of the faithful, the authentication of mysticism usually takes place during a canonization process, after the mysticism is obviously concluded (because the person has died) and it can be viewed in the context of the person's entire life. During life it generally stands on the witness of responsible persons, such as a spiritual director, the fame of sanctity of the alleged mystic and the fruits.

In his (Fr. Gobbi's) favor ... are the opinion of his spiritual director, his own zeal to promote Consecration to the Immaculate Heart and fidelity to the Magisterium, the great numbers of lay, religious and priestly vocations strengthened, and in some cases saved, through the Marian Movement of Priests, and the good will shown him by very many members of the hierarchy, including the Pope, who has received him and encouraged him in his work on several occasions.

Answered by Colin B. Donovan, STL

https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/MMP.htm

 

I LOVE EWTN, but
they agree Russia was Consecrated as our Lady asked !
http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp?number=323177